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Template:Villages in Rohtak district edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:58, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Majority text and used only on one article. No navigational benefit with this template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Villages in Rewari District edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A complete mess of a template that lists every village in a local region of India. This is nothing but clutter and very hard to navigate with. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Mahants of Baba Mast Nath Math edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 July 17. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ACE2012/Guides/Q edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and I assume it was created as a test page as it all contains is the number 16. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ACE2010/CC edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created just in case for the Climate Change discussion eleven years ago. Hasn't been used ever. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ACE base header edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used and for the ACE an individual template is created for respective Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections. This isn't one of those templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:19, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:A-Class notice edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remains unused and has not been used by the Conservatism Project. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ARBV edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what this template was created for, but no purpose exists for it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:23, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Trivial wrapper around {{ship}}, not sufficiently complicated to warrant a template even if it were used. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:ANI barnstar edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not an actual badge of honor given out to Wikipedia editors. Obviously a joke by the editor who created it as stated in the edit summary. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Lets keep the barnstars in the realm of positive. Gonnym (talk) 12:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Nauru Election Templates edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 2013 template is not used, the rest should be substituted on the election articles per the standard on the articles of Nauru elections prior to 2003 and after 2010. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I guess subst and delete. The tables themselves seem borderline helpful and the infobox present at most of the articles seem much better. But I guess it's better to subst then delete the tables later on if a better design appears. The 2013 unused one can also be added to its article so the complete set of these small tables can exist. Or not. Gonnym (talk) 12:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Papua New Guinea Elections edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates on the articles they are used on per the standard on other PNG election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Northern Mariana Islands Elections edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gubernatorial 2005, 2007, and 2012 are unused. And the 2005 legislative election should be substituted onto the mainspace article per the NMI election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Subst and delete the 2005 legislative election; delete the others. Gonnym (talk) 12:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Niue Legislatve Elections edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Niue election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:New Caledonia legislative election, 2004 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other New Caledonia election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Solomon Islands parliamentary election, 2001 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Solomon Islands election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Samoa legislative election, 2006 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Samoan election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tonga legislative election, 2005 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2005 in unused and substitute 2008 and 2010 template on the 2008 Tongan Legislative Assembly and 2010 Tongan Legislative Assembly articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Subst and delete the two used ones; delete the unused one. Gonnym (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Marshall Islands election, 2003 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Marshall Islands election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Micronesian federal election, 2005 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Micronesian election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:French Polynesian legislative election, 2004 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other FP election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fijian general election, 2001 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces per the standard on other Fijian election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Cook Islands Election Templates edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the templates onto the respective mainspaces it's used on and per the standard on other Cook Islands election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: these templates are a PITA to work with, and it would be much easier if the information was directly in the article.--IdiotSavant (talk) 02:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete - subst to the election articles and section transclude to parliament articles. Gonnym (talk) 12:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Yyyy U.S. presidential election project page link edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This template links to Wikipedia:Style for yyyy U.S. presidential election which is marked as historical. While the page might have value, linking to it from talk pages does not. Gonnym (talk) 19:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Palau legislative election, 2004 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:19, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused. Respective election article uses different tables for the results. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Unused/unnecessary. Number 57 21:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Vanuatu legislative election, 2004 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused. Respective election articles use different tables for the results. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all Unused/unnecessary. Number 57 21:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Wallis and Futuna Assembly election, 2002 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused. Respective election articles use different tables for the results. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Unused/unnecessary. Number 57 21:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2020 Summer Olympics Canada men's rugby sevens team squad edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Content merged with Rugby sevens at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC) Also nominating the following for the same reasons:[reply]

  • Delete all Templates have become pointless since the content has merged into the mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all Per nom and WikiCleanerMan. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Kiribati legislative election, 2007 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose substituting the information onto the articles per the standard on other Kiribati election articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tokelauan general election, 2008 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and not enough information justify having its own template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Unused/unnecessary. Number 57 21:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Lists of the prehistoric life of Canada edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

all red links Frietjes (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Draftify The user has created the draft versions of the red links in the template. It will be useful to have once those articles are finished. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because each article that is currently a subpage of his contains thousands of prehistoric life in each U.S. state and country. Each will require placement in its respective template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:32, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, you want to put the Canadian navbox on U.S. pages? I would object to that. Frietjes (talk) 20:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not the Canadian ones. The user who created this template has created subpages for the U.S. and other countries including Canada for the prehistoric life that once lived there. This template he created would benefit by placing those Canadian pre-historic life articles on this template. And he'll most likely create similar templates for every country and their prehistoric life. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. All red links for a template created 4 years ago. If needed, {{Canada topic|List of the prehistoric life of}} works exactly the same. --Gonnym (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Guam governor election, 2006 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both unused and the articles feature different tables for the results. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all Unused/unnecessary. Number 57 21:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:For edit

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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 12:58, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:For with Template:For2.
These two templates have the same function and use nearly the same parameters. Why not merge them? —TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 18:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support For2 being merged into For. As For is used more often then For2. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless it's worked out in the big picture. {{For2}} is a variant of {{For}} where the automatic linking isn't applied. I guess the proposal is to add a parameter to {{for}}, so existing instances of {{for2|...}} are converted to {{for|text=...}} This will add a few extra characters to type, but that would be a small price to pay for the streamlining of the complex system of hatnote templates. However, this merge on its own will not result in such streamlining, but contribute to its further complexity. Like {{for}}, many other hatnote templates have a "mirror" template with "2" added to its name whose function is to override the automatic linking (see for example {{About-distinguish2}} or {{Further2}}). This forms an easy pattern for editors to learn. However, this now has a few exceptions – notably {{about2}} and {{distinguish2}} – which got unwisely deleted a few years ago. At the moment, an editor who wants to use a template without automatic linking will need to remember to use the corresponding template with "2" except for these few templates. The merge of for2 that's proposed here will only add to this list of exceptions. Ultimately, I believe it will be a good idea to simplify the whole system – so that there will be only one way to turn off automatic linking across all hatnote templates. That may very well be the current |text= behaviour of {{Distinguish}} (though I'd prefer something simpler), but the whole point will be for the solution – whatever it is – to apply across the board. I would support such a big overhaul, but the details need to be worked out beforehand (I don't think it will be as straightforward for all the templates concerned). – Uanfala (talk) 21:06, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with the automatic linking part, but adding a parameter like {{{nolink}}} should do the job. —TypicalWikimedian (talk • contribs) 16:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've notified Nihiltres of this discussion, I believe they're better placed than anyone else to comment here (certainly much better placed than me). – Uanfala (talk) 01:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose — The difference between {{for}} and {{for2}} is fundamentally semantic: {{for}} specifically uses a page name* as its second input and does link formatting on it, while {{for2}} uses a generic text input and passes it through unchanged. This is also reflected in their TemplateData, meaning VisualEditor users are presented with a more helpful interface for editing instances of {{for}} than of {{for2}}. {{For2}} and similar are useful because they allow sticking in a bit of custom text or whatever for edge cases where the "standard" templates don't fit … but equally the "2"-variants are undesirable for general use because their text inputs can contain anything and so are harder to do maintenance on and more likely to attract misuse (like adding "distinguish" messages in text instead of using an appropriate "standard" template).
    (*Okay, technically this can include section links, or be piped with {{!}}, but that's besides the point…)

    I would have opposed the February 2018 merges of similar pairs of templates (like {{distinguish}} and {{distinguish2}}) that now use a text parameter where they'd have used the "2"-variant template, but I happened to not be active at the time and so missed my chance. Keeping the templates separate, so that we can easily isolate the "special" cases and perhaps "prune" them to standard forms where practical … that's quite valuable for maintenance purposes, so I'm not a fan of using a text parameter (or a putative nolink one) as a compromise. Having extra hatnote templates is a complexity cost, sure, but I think it's justified by keeping the most-used hatnote templates as simple and straightforward as possible.

    On a somewhat tangential note … one of these days we ought to have a large TfD to rename the extant "2"-variant templates (excluding {{redirect2}}, whose uses should probably should just be merged into {{redirect-multi}}) to use a "-text" (or even a "-special"?) suffix instead of a "2" suffix so that their purpose is clear from their titles. I've almost entirely eliminated the historical "numeric" hatnote variants with an extended campaign of standardization, simplification, and Luafication, but never went after the "2" variants because they tend to be actually useful. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 16:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose looks like this will require a lot of needless cleanup for marginal benefit. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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