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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hunter line font color (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Hunter line link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Kansas City Chiefs Draft template list edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kansas City Chiefs Draft template list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:JekBox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 08:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:JekBox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, contrary to documentation. Frietjes (talk) 23:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Jason David Frank edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jason David Frank (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

navigate by director, not actor, and unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Parks and Recreation season episode list edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Parks and Recreation season episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox Parks and Recreation season 1 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox Parks and Recreation season 2 episode list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old and unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Image edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Image (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused and replaced by template:infobox. Frietjes (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Futurama season five edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Futurama season five (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox College Ski Team edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox College Ski Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, single purpose template. Frietjes (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Info samba school edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Info samba school (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old and unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unneeded. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:University of Arizona athletics edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:University of Arizona athletics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template is orphaned and redundant with Template:University of Arizona. Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 04:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone? --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 22:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:NFL Roster template list edit

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 21:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NFL Roster template list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:NFL Roster navbox template list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template creates unnecessary clutter and duplicates information that can be easily found elsewhere. Similar templates for Major League Baseball and the National Basketball Association were deleted in September and November, respectively. - Eureka Lott 01:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Personally, this is a useful template to have for navigational purposes between templates. Just because the baseball and basketball ones were deleted because those projects didn't care for them doesn't mean this one should be deleted. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.--Giants27(T|C) 02:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a misuse of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If a template was deleted for a good reason, then it makes sense to bring it up when deleting similar templates. I would describe the summary of this TfD as "because those projects didn't care for them" as inaccurate at best. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've always found it needless with the link to the page containing all the templates right on the roster template. I fought its original inclusion, so my vote here is obvious. RevanFan (talk) 04:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with RevanFan. The link to List of current NFL team rosters seems to be enough. A useful navbox links to other articles not other templates. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 21:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per consensus on similar TfDs previously for baseball and basketball. Mainly, it is undue clutter when most readers would not naturally navigate from a team's article to a template (not even an article) of another team's roster.—Bagumba (talk) 07:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I find these useful navigational tools in the same way that most major awards (Academy, Emmy, Tony, Grammy, Pulitzer, Nobel) link between templates. That is where the idea came from.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

— Note to closing admin: TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. —Bagumba (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional Keep The footer templates unnecessarily clutter up the rosters. However, I'm all for only including the nav templates when viewing the rosters directly (via the <noinclude> tag (I believe?)). I think they can be useful for the editors that keep the rosters up-to-date. — X96lee15 (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd be fine with this as well. Largely, I like these footers for navigation between templates when updating the rosters, which I took to be their main usage anyways.--Giants27(T|C) 22:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep They are extremely easier to read than the templates at the bottom which are too compact AND don't list specific player positions (that is the main reason I want to keep them). Also, if you put the players position next to their name on the lower template, it would make it look like a big clutter. Main thing is, the template that is considered for deletion is larger, more organized and easier to read. 76.118.217.125 (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: You have confused what is being proposed for deletion. It is not the entire roster listing like this, but the footer at the bottom of the listing which navigates you to rosters other than the one you are viewing.—Bagumba (talk) 22:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the footer template should exists, it should point to an article, not to a template. There is no point in leading readers to a template. If the footer exists for the editor (to make editing easier), it should be hidden from the mainspace as X96lee15 suggested. — MT (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Who says that this is for the editors and that it should point to an article. Before I created any of these roster type footers, I used footers to clean up abundant links from templates to templates in places like this. Template to template links are extremely popular on WP for Awards (Academy, Emmy, Grammy, Tony, Pulitzer, Nobel, etc.). I have used footers to clean up such links. Then I used footers to create linages for sports leagues. There is no policy against template to template links even when desination articles exist to link to.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Template:AcademyAwardBestActor 1928–1940 and Template:AcademyAwardBestActor 1941–1960 are related in a different way than sports roster. They are part of a series while players from different teams are loosely related. However, I still think there is no need for navigation between templates in both cases. In awards article, the readers who want to look for award winners in other years that are not listed in the template should just navigate to the parent article rather than navigating to another template. Anyway, WP:NAV guideline mentions: "The goal is not to cram as many related articles as possible into one space. Ask yourself, does this help the reader in reading up on related topics? Take any two articles in the template. Would a reader really want to go from A to B?" I don't see plenty of readers need to go from Tom Brady article to Template:Cincinnati Bengals roster navbox or from Cincinnati Bengals#Current roster to Template:New Orleans Saints roster. However, I could understand if some readers do want to see other roster and need to navigate from Cincinnati Bengals#Current roster to New Orleans Saints#Current roster. I know there is no policy for linking to templates, but I just don't see the point in leading a reader to a template when the destination article exists. Articles provide more information than templates and if I, as a reader, have to choose between the link to a template or an article, I would choose the article. — MT (talk) 19:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These templates are really useful as Giants27 said and list specific positions like 76.118.217.125 said. Baseball Watcher 02:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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