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editDeuce of a job
editWhere did the deuce come from in "a deuce of a job", etc. meaning "extremely difficult"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly "devil".[1] --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Or possibly "... by similarity to Latin deus and related words meaning "god.": "According to OED, 16c. Low German had der daus! in the same sense, which perhaps influenced the English form." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I saw that theory, but the average citizen is far more likely to say "what the devil" than "what the god". --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- True, but etymology from Latin often doesn't pay much attention to what today's "average citizen" says? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Are you asking whether that's the case? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- True, but etymology from Latin often doesn't pay much attention to what today's "average citizen" says? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I saw that theory, but the average citizen is far more likely to say "what the devil" than "what the god". --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:06, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Or possibly "... by similarity to Latin deus and related words meaning "god.": "According to OED, 16c. Low German had der daus! in the same sense, which perhaps influenced the English form." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
I posed a question at WP:MILHIST as to the pronunciation of Gneisenau and came to the conclusion it would be appropriate to add a pronunciation footnote for August Neidhardt von Gneisenau and German battleship Gneisenau. Here is my attempt at an IPA rendering from a YouTube video of a German speaker saying it:
- German pronunciation: [ˈgnaɪzɛnaʊ]
Would a German speaker or other expert be able to confirm or correct this? Thanks! 93 (talk) 22:48, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The ɪ and ʊ are actually semi-vowels, which can be notated in narrow transcription as [ɪ̯] and [ʊ̯]. The ɛ should definitely be a schwa, ə, which is more obvious at t=119s. Together, this gives
- German pronunciation: [ˈɡnaɪ̯zənaʊ̯].
- Disclaimer: I'm neither a native German speaker nor particularly an expert on German phonology. --Lambiam 00:14, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that the initial "G" is largely silent (same as in gnädige Frau), but I'm not a native German speaker either. Maybe one can confirm. Xuxl (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- It's not silent. It isn't in gnädige Frau either. --Wrongfilter (talk) 20:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Audio of gnädige: --Lambiam 23:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've gone ahead and added this to August Neidhardt von Gneisenau and German battleship Gneisenau. 93 (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that the initial "G" is largely silent (same as in gnädige Frau), but I'm not a native German speaker either. Maybe one can confirm. Xuxl (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)