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September 21

Protestant branch of the House of Hohenzollern senior-most legitimate male agnate question

This is sort of a random question, but here goes: Is Philip Kirill Prinz von Preußen the senior-most legitimate male agnate of the Protestant branch of the House of Hohenzollern similar to how Louis Alphonse de Bourbon (aka Louis XX) is the senior-most living legitimate male Capetian?

For what it's worth, this question could have been relevant in the sense that Philip Kirill could have been the current claimant to the defunct (Imperial) German throne had his father not renounced his succession rights to this defunct throne when he married back in 1967, a year before Philip Kirill's birth. Futurist110 (talk) 02:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

He's the eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son of Wilhelm II, the last German emperor. I don't see why he wouldn't be? --Jayron32 14:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I was simply wondering if there was some sort of legitimate morganatic male-line Protestant Hohenzollern branch that was even more senior than Kaiser Wilhelm II's branch was. I mean, the current head of the House of Hapsburg (Karl von Hapsburg, the son of Otto von Hapsburg) actually isn't the senior-most legitimate male-line Hapsburg; rather, that honor belongs to the Dukes of Hohenberg, Franz Ferdinand's morganatic male-line descendants. BTW, minor nitpick, but Philip Kirill is actually the grandson of Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia, who was Crown Prince Wilhelm's second son. Prince Wilhelm of Prussia (1906–1940) was Crown Prince Wilhelm's first son but he only had two daughters and no sons. Futurist110 (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I think because Philip Kirill’s father Friedrich Wilhelm married a commoner, which is why he (Friedrich Wilhelm) renounced his succession rights before marriage. So the answer lies in imponderable speculation about whether, if the German Imperial monarchy had not been discontinued, it would have modernized its requirements for eligibility to inherit the throne, in which case perhaps Friedrich Wilhelm would not have renounced and Philip Kirill would be eligible even as the son of a non-royal mother. But we can’t answer that kind of crystal ball stuff here. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 22:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Yep, that makes sense. Of course, had the German monarchy survived and modernized, it might have also eventually changed its succession laws in other ways--for instance, by allowing women and female-line royals to inherit the German throne. Of course, in this specific case, it shouldn't matter because there would have been no women (such as older sisters, or aunts who would have been older than his father) blocking Philip Kirill's accession to the German throne had this throne indeed survived up to the present-day. Futurist110 (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

The Ginsbergs

Was Ruth Bader Ginsberg related to Alan Ginsberg? Thanks-- Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.232.90 (talk o contribs) 09:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

1. She only had the surname Ginsburg because she married Martin D. Ginsburg. 2. The spellings are different. 3. Our articles do not mention a relationship between Martin D. Ginsburg and Allen Ginsberg. So the answer is no. 4. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~ --Viennese Waltz 09:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Ginsberg is quite a common name. See Ginsberg.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:45, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, the answer is obviously "yes". They are also both related to a banana, just even more distantly. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:47, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia article Most recent common ancestor... -- AnonMoos (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

How many generations would the MRCA of the set {Joan Ruth Bader, Irwin Allen Ginsberg} plausibly go back?  --Lambiam 13:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, there are estimates that the MRCA of all humans may have been as recent as 300 BCE, which would be a bit over 90 generations (of 25 years). So I suspect the MRCA of two jewish people both born in the greater NY area, with one parent of either coming from Russia, is probably fairly recent. I would not be surprised if it were less than 20 generations. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

OAN

I'm concerned about the depiction of the OAN network. It looks as though it was written by Ocasio-Cortez. It suggests extremes that I simply haven't detected. Who did this research? Thanks for addressing my concerns. No debate required, I'm just asking that you review your content for unbiased accuracy. I like what you do. I contribute to what you do. Thanks in advance 2600:1700:96E0:3E80:68CA:B7F:E041:C282 (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

This is not the right place for such an idea. You might try Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. But Wikipedia is a world-wide project, and in the context of an international audience, Ocasio-Cortez is probably pretty centrist - a bit to the left on some issues, a bit on the right on others. I've looked at One America News Network, and the description seems to be fair. We call a spade a spade, and a turd a turd. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia shouldn't have any obvious political bias, but we're not neutral between the theory that the earth is flat and the theory that it's quasi-spherical. If OAN has had many run-ins with credible fact-checkers, then we can report on that without necessarily being biased at all... AnonMoos (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)