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January 11

Avoiding a foul in Snooker

As all Snooker players and fans are aware, "contacting, with any part of the player’s person, attire or equipment, a ball in play . . ." [other than the cue ball with the tip of one's cue, of course] is a foul, under the current Rules (downloadable as a pdf here), Section 3.11.(b)(vi).

While recently watching Mark Williams having to avoid touching a ball near the cushion with his torso while leaning over to take a shot in the current Masters Tournament, it occurred to me that one could do so by temporarily placing over, but not touching, the ball a shield, similar to a wide upturned tumbler. Since this would not be being used as a measuring device (also forbidden by the rules), and one is allowed to use one's own equipment in addition to that provided by the referee, I could not find anything in the Rules to forbid this, but I may have missed something.

Does anyone know if the Rules do prohibit this (if so, where), or if any ruling against it has been made by the World Governing Body (WPSBSA) or similar organisation? {The poster formerly kown as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Section 1, Rule 4 outlines the rules for introducing additional equipment to the game, and states "All extensions, adaptors and other devices to aid cueing and/or sighting must have received prior approval from the relevant governing body." Such a tumbler would likely fall under "other devices" and would need prior approval for use. I doubt the relevant governing body would so approve. Also, Section 3, Rule 11 (b) (viii) states it is a penalty for "causing a ball in play to contact any object to equipment left at or on the table during the turn or from previous turns;" Leaving a tumbler on the table would incur a penalty if it were contacted by any ball in play. --Jayron32 14:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The spider and swan could be used for this very purpose. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Jayron32: yes, I suppose this could probably be ruled as a device to aid cueing – oh, well. And there was an instance not long ago of a successful pot becoming a foul when the cue ball ran on to hit a cue extension the player had left on the table after the previous shot and forgotten about.

Shantavira: now there's a thought :-). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 00:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Trying to identify an organist

I would like to identify an organist who performs in a Brendan Kavanagh video (and a livestream). The old gentleman's name is Andrew. At about 4:20 in this video, Brendan Kavanagh asks him where he usually plays the organ. We German language Wikipedia users are unable to understand the answer. Maybe you native speakers can help. What church or city is he talking about? Or can someone identify him in some other way? He's a great guy! Thanks in advance. Xocolatl (talk) 18:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I can't make it out either; it sounds a bit like "Red Wighton" but I can't think of a place that sounds similar. His accent is vaguely south or southeast England. Alansplodge (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Per Alansplodge, it doesn't appear to be a language issue, rather an audio quality issue. The older gentleman names the church in question, but he's so soft spoken that it's hard to make out anything against the background noise of the shopping mall where Kavanagh is conversing with him. Brendan Kavanagh doesn't mention any specific locales, and as I don't know London, I can't myself place the shopping mall or train station or whatever in that video. It's likely a high traffic area of London, and given the literally hundreds of churches in Greater London (see List of churches in London), being able to suss out the exact church is likely nigh-on impossible. Maybe someone else can hear better, but I can't make it out. --Jayron32 19:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Jayron32, the video was filmed at St Pancras train station and the old man is there because he wants to use the Eurostar. But that has nothing to do with where he comes from. However, he also mentions the church organ that has been in a London underground station since this summer, but of course it may have been reported nationally as well. He doesn't necessarily have to live in London... --Xocolatl (talk) 20:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

A Victorian pipe organ has been installed at London Bridge to serenade commuters (London Bridge station serves the south coast). Alansplodge (talk) 23:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

To me it sounds like Great Wyrley or something similar. The last syllable I'm very unsure of. --Antiquary (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

His vowels don't match a Staffordshire native as he uses the trap–bath split. I'm thinking West Brighton might be a better match, but we may never know. Alansplodge (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Brighton resident here (well, Hove actually!). I have listened to this several times and am convinced he says "Oh, one in, Bre- Brighton" (i.e. misspeaks on the first syllable and corrects himself). I don't think he gives the church name, unfortunately. Many of Brighton's Anglican churches have a well-known tradition of organ and choral music. I'm familiar with the local church scene but I don't recognise him. If I was going to take a guess, I would say St Paul's Church or St Bartholomew's Church, but that's total speculation. His accent sounds local (the way he says the word that I think sounds like "Brighton" is exactly how I would expect a Brightonian to say it). Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Try to slow the speed of the video down. When I did that I also thought I could hear "Brighton" and before that something with a B; now that you say it, it sounds reasonable to me that he misspoke the first syllable. --Proofreader (talk) 20:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

And don't forget to mention that you found this, Proofreader: [1] (especially [2]). --Xocolatl (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

The organ in the photo linked to is the Frobenius organ (see here) in Lancing College Chapel, not far from Brighton but not in Brighton itself, also featuring prominently in the video. The video acknowledges (4:50) one Andrew Beaizley, mentioned here as giving a recital on the organ at St Bartholomew's Church, and here as a former accompanist of the Brighton Male Voice Choir.  --Lambiam 01:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, and Beaizley apparently also taught and is mentioned as a composer from Hove in this source: www.manxmusic.com. See also the parallel discussion here: [3]. I'm curious to see if we get confirmation from the Brighton & District Organists' Association! --Xocolatl (talk) 12:30, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

We practically have that confirmation as I got a feedback from them that they are delighted by this little research effort and plan to mention it in their next newsletter that's in the making now. So if there are no objections from you guys, I would answer them that we would be fine with that. --Proofreader (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

No objections on my part, as I just said in German. Thank you to everyone who helped identify Beaizley! Hopefully we will get to see this newsletter as well. --Xocolatl (talk) 14:46, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Andrew Beaizley is mentioned in many volumes of the Royal National College for the Blind Annual Report, sometimes as "J.A. Beaizley". See also this, esp. page 3. Now, of course, the question arises what the J stands for... --Xocolatl (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC) - Found it: John Andrew Beaizley. --Xocolatl (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2023 (UTC)