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edit'The Fugitive' - UK Role playing zine from the 1980s / 90s?
editI am looking for any copies of a zine that was published in the UK sometime in the mid-to late 80s / early 90s called 'The Fugitive'. Its tagline was something like 'could you harbour a fugitive'? and I remember it being distributed through gaming stores. I would love any information anyone could give! Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.184.252 (talk) 03:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
This list http://uk.games.roleplay.narkive.com/Nvs5udj4/vintage-uk-rpg-zines-update-august-3rd-2004 mentions it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.5.139.185 (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Stop, collaborate and listen
editWhat does Vanilla Ice mean by "collaborate" in the opening lyrics to the song "Ice Ice Baby"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.136.229 (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- He means "I need a random word that fits the meter of the song". --Jayron32 23:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Correct, the word makes no sense in this context. --SubSeven (talk) 00:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- At least he took an existing word, unlike such famous nonsense words like pompatus and looptid. --Jayron32 05:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I much prefer the tintinnabulation of the vorpal sword. StuRat (talk) 06:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Does "work together" make sense in context of the lyrics? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Nope. StuRat (talk) 06:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think it is entirely meaningless. While Ice Ice Baby is certainly not the pinnacle of lyrical depth, rap music in general places a premium on the meaning the lyrics. In the song, none of collaborate's syllables are rhymed so Vanilla Ice could have used any word or words with four syllable in its place and maintained the lyrical structure, so it's unlike that collaborate was chosen entirely at random. The entire line "Stop collaborate and listen" is a reference to the popular expression: "stop look and listen" which had been recently revived by MC Lyte on her Album Eyes on This. I'd read replacement of "look" with "collaborate" as an inversion of the original expression, inviting listeners to join Vanilla Ice rather than simply pay attention to him, a subtle anti-authoritarian message. It also may be related to the "positive rap" movement of the early 90s when some rappers encouraged their followers to work together to solve social issues and improve their lives by engaging positively, collaboratively, with their communities. --Daniel(talk) 16:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Nice juxtaposition, "pinnacle of lyrical depth". -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Or is it an oxymoron? Alansplodge (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Maybe a juxtamoron, like "she's deeply shallow". (Who? That woman whose name I still refuse to utter. And isn't it interesting we never hear anything about her these days? What ever happened to the media's fevered fascination with every breath she ever took?) -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 18:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I think "collaborate" in the song "Ice Ice Baby" means "think about". It is really saying "collaborate with yourself". But this is a creative use of the term "collaborate". The surrounding lyrics support such an interpretation: "All right stop, Collaborate and listen". This is a reference to our capacity for introspection and contemplation. Lyrics also found here. Bus stop (talk) 19:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Maybe a juxtamoron, like "she's deeply shallow". (Who? That woman whose name I still refuse to utter. And isn't it interesting we never hear anything about her these days? What ever happened to the media's fevered fascination with every breath she ever took?) -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 18:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Or is it an oxymoron? Alansplodge (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- Nice juxtaposition, "pinnacle of lyrical depth". -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think it is entirely meaningless. While Ice Ice Baby is certainly not the pinnacle of lyrical depth, rap music in general places a premium on the meaning the lyrics. In the song, none of collaborate's syllables are rhymed so Vanilla Ice could have used any word or words with four syllable in its place and maintained the lyrical structure, so it's unlike that collaborate was chosen entirely at random. The entire line "Stop collaborate and listen" is a reference to the popular expression: "stop look and listen" which had been recently revived by MC Lyte on her Album Eyes on This. I'd read replacement of "look" with "collaborate" as an inversion of the original expression, inviting listeners to join Vanilla Ice rather than simply pay attention to him, a subtle anti-authoritarian message. It also may be related to the "positive rap" movement of the early 90s when some rappers encouraged their followers to work together to solve social issues and improve their lives by engaging positively, collaboratively, with their communities. --Daniel(talk) 16:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
- Nope. StuRat (talk) 06:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)