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Creep (TLC song) edit

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Result: Delisted Issues still outstanding AIRcorn (talk) 07:39, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm the article's main writer and also its GA nominator. As pointed out by User:Ss112 (here), it is absolutely not up to GA quality.

At the time that I was finishing writing the article, I asked a few users to give it a copy-edit and some of them suggested I nominate it for GA. I didn't know it was having so much problems in writing. For that, I apologize and I'm sincerely needing you guys to delist the article. Thank you for your help. Beyoncetan (talk) 14:47, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article was sent to WP:GOCE and it has been fixed. Is this enough for a keep? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CommentWas sending out notifications and just realised that the nominator was the GA nominator. Sorry about that. AIRcorn (talk) 09:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

This article is a great start and has a lot of great information, but I think its' greatest issue is the structure. If this does not make it through the GAR process, I would suggest taking it to peer review. Here are my suggestions to improve the article further. I think that once these points are addressed, I would think it would fulfill the requirements for a good article:

Please make sure that every image, including those used in the infobox, has ALT text.
Please link TLC on the first use in the body of the article.
I would revise this sentence (Included in the remixes was a new rap verse written by Lopes which warns listeners of safe sex issues.) to (Remixes included a new rap verse written by Lopes which warns listeners of safe sex issues.). Something about starting the sentence with a verb reads a little weird to me.
I am not certain about this sentence (With changes in both musical style and image, the song marked a major reinvention in TLC's career and was hailed as a "masterpiece".) for the use of the quote. You would either need to cite it or paraphrase the quote.
This sentence (They performed it during several live concerts and television events, and the track being used in films and TV series, and covered and sampled by artists including American rock band The Afghan Whigs and singer Zendaya.) contains a lot of information that does not necessarily go with one another. I would separate the information into multiple sentences.
The "Development and lyrical content" section seems rather all over the place to me and the information does not flow/read well to me. For instance, I am not sure why the part about Lopes' response is split between two paragraphs. I would try to consolidate the information about the lyrics in one spot as there is information on the lyrics here and the "Musical style and composition" section.
Go through all of the sentences to make sure that the references are placed in the correct order. There are several instances in which the references are not in the correct order.
I am slightly confused by this part (and Lopes' stint in rehab, re-invented TLC's musical direction and brought a stronger focus on pop elements to CrazySexyCool.). How did Lopes' time in rehab affect the song? I think more context is needed for this?
For this sentence (Watkins recalled that LaFace Records' co-founder Antonio "L.A." Reid "flipped out" when he first heard "Creep"), I am not certain about the use of the "flipped out" quote as it is not clear if that is a positive or negative response. I would paraphrase this to avoid confusion.
I would imagine that the information from the "Credits" section needs to be included in the prose.
The "Critical reception" section does not have a strong structure. I would look through this essay (Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections) to find potential strategies to improve this section.
I have noticed a few spots in which things are linked multiple times or things are not linked on their first appearance in the article. I would check everything to make sure the links are used correctly.
For this sentence (Soon after it became their third platinum single, it topped the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Rhythmic charts, and peaked at number three on the Radio Songs chart and number nine on the Mainstream Top 40.), I would group its references together in a single reference to avoid citation overkill.
This sentence (The group acknowledged one scene that showed the exposed left lower part of Watkins' breasts received public attention.) is rather awkwardly separated as its own paragraph. I would expand on this information more or integrate it in the previous paragraph.
The information from this sentence (The song can be heard on the soundtracks for video games The Hip Hop Dance Experience, Everybody Dance and Dance Central Spotlight.) needs a citation.

I hope you find this to be helpful. This is a hard article to do as it is a very popular song. This is my first round of comments. @DannyMusicEditor: Just wanted to ping you as you seem interested in working on this further. Aoba47 (talk) 02:38, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments, Aoba47. Beyoncetan 2 (talk) 16:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the list. While some of those are not requirements for a Good Article (alt text, links etc), there are some good points mentioned as well. For me one of the major issues I have is the over use of quotes. This is particularly evident in the reception section, but the whole article has far too many quotes. Almost every paragraph has one and I would wager half the article is a quote or introducing a quote. I am very tempted to tag it and to be honest I would quick fail it on 2d if I was reviewing it. AIRcorn (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]