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Result: Delist The article is based mostly on primary sources. That in itself is no reason to delist, but makes it difficult to adhere to NPOV and to not engage in SYNTH. Concerns with those criteria have not been addressed. Femke (talk) 09:07, 5 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

This article was marked as a Good Article in 2008, when the standards were probably not as high. Looking at it today, it has only a few citations, many of them not highly reliable sources. A lot of praise for the comic is extrapolated from these. More information comes from primary sources than is ideal.

Primarily, I think this doesn't meet the current Good Article criteria because too much information is drawn from primary sources. However, I'm putting this as a community reassessment because I'm not an expert in the Good Article space. HenryCrun15 (talk) 02:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was so far gone that I invoked WP:BOLD and listed it at AFD, but apparently a couple of sources scrapped together proved otherwise. It's still extremely light on sourcing, with nearly everything being WP:PRIMARY. Like the few other webcomic GAs, this one's clearly out of mode and unlikely to get any better than it is now, so I think WP:IAR should be invoked and it should be speedily delisted. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are implying that if an article is not long enough - with no other criteria being failed - it cannot be a Good Article. I am not sure that is how Good Articles work. As far as I can tell, length is irrelevant as long as the user gets a complete understanding of the subject, which they certainly can from visiting the article. Despite saying it should be speedily delisted, you make no other more specific arguments about how it supposedly fails. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Length is not a factor. Comprehensiveness is the factor, and it just so happens that more length is typically more comprehensive. Miss Meyers for example is an FA half the length of this GA casualdejekyll 17:38, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Right now the nominator makes no real argument as to why it fails GA criteria, primary sources are only a negative when an article has a total dearth of secondary sources. The AfD for this article just proved that it does indeed have sufficient secondary sources and demonstrates its real-world significance from multiple critics. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is there are way too many of them, and too few secondary sources. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I don't think anything in Wikipedia policy states that there can be "too many" primary sources when used in a judicious manner and avoiding plotcruft. And since the article survived AfD, there are not "too few" secondary sources, otherwise it would have been deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The concerning (haha) thing is that the of the article's 26 sources, 17(!) are primary, and 5 are interviews (which are primary or secondary depending on context). That leaves 4 sources which are either secondary definitely (3) or unknown (1).
I think we seriously have to ask ourselves if it's possible to write a verifiable article in summary style of this length with three secondary sources, one of which is in Romanian. (I do think it just barely hops over the GNG line, though.) Not to mention nobody has yet managed to locate the PC Zone article, which one commenter in the AfD apparently couldn't even verify existed? I haven't looked for it yet, personally.
Oh, also, most of the Themes section is either OR or SYNTH. casualdejekyll 02:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Yeah I think the article definitely (if barely) passes GNG, but I agree that the number of primary sources definitely tips into territory that at the least doesn't meet GA standards, and if you cut them and the possibly synth down you're left with something that's not really comprehensive enough for GA standards. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 22:08, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per casualdejekyll and Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs's rationale. To be honest, this and the other Half-Life fan content pages don't even strike me as that notable on their own, but that's a discussion for another time. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 02:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]