Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nintendo Switch Portable

Nintendo Switch in Handheld Mode edit

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 14 Oct 2018 at 02:28:25 (UTC)

Original – The Nintendo Switch in Handheld Mode.

Reason: A high quality image made by one of the best photographers on Wikipedia
Articles in which this image appears: Nintendo Switch, Handheld game console, History of video games, List of handheld game consoles, Nintendo video game consoles, Satoru Iwata, Rocket League, Tegra
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Engineering and technology/Electronics
Creator: Evan-Amos

Support as nominator – 344917661X (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – To reiterate from previous discussions, the device is of no intrinsic visual interest. It may be OK for illustrating the Nintendo Switch article, but is of zero interest to most Main Page readers. Sca (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We've had this discussion before. So let me reiterate my point again, it does not matter if the image is not of interest to most main page readers. Featured pictures are determined by the quality of the image and wether or not it passes the Featured picture criteria and the featured picture criteria does not say that an image has to be of interest to most main page readers in order to be promoted to featured picture status. As Maplestrip pointed out in the previous discussion, "The majority of people aren't interested in specific bird species. The majority of people aren't interested in map projections. As per 344917661X, popularity is fairly irrelevant, and I feel that this specific discussion went a bit off-the-rails." Not to mention the fact that today's featured article is about an obscure mouse species that most of the general public doesn't know about. 344917661X (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who are you to describe what the "main page reader" wants to see? At no point has anyone ever had a criteria on what type of industry a Featured Picture could come from. Do you have an issues with video games, or any other project on wikipedia? Probably not best to simply comment on those types of entries. I can't see how it has no "intrinsic visual interest"; as there have been many featured pictures of a subject. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on derailing the entire discussion into a heated debate over wether this picture passes the featured picture criteria Sca. Your comments on this discussion are also really disrespectful and the only reason you seem to be opposing the nomination at this point is per WP:IDONTLIKEIT. 344917661X (talk) 02:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ – I always have a hard time judging images by Wikipedia's featured picture guidelines (which is why I don't involve myself with it very often), but I feel like most Evan Amos pictures meet the criteria. Per Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria, the image certainly meets 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. Only criterium 3 is difficult, but that's because it's subjective. The image shows every detail of the device visible from this angle, and I can't think of a better way to illustrate the Switch in portable mode. Perhaps it could have been slightly more angled to show the buttons and ports on the top? I do think Amos has more visually compelling works, but this photograph meets all the requirements and there's no limit on how many FPs a single photographer can have, right? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 17:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is limit on how many FPs a single photographer can have. 344917661X (talk) 14:54, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same with FAs: the more the merrier. The only limit is how many nominations you can have open concurrently with before reviewers lose interest, which is about four (it's not prescribed, use your judgement). MER-C 19:35, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am switching to oppose, because I do not believe the image is adequately compelling or informative. The photograph gives a poor view of the buttons and ports on the top of the console, and does not feel "dynamic" because it was shot almost head-on. An image like this one would serve Wikipedia much better, as it is both more informative (displaying a main feature of the device) and more visually compelling. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The image you provided as a "better" example doesn't even show the headphone jack or the game card or the other stuff on the top of the Switch console nearly as well as the photograph currently being nominated. The fact that people are opposing this nomination per their own opinions, which violates WP:IDONTLIKEIT and getting away with it is just absurd. 344917661X (talk) 12:13, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the nominated pictures is showing these features fairly poorly, to the point where they might as well not be visible at all. It is indeed difficult to judge criterium 3; it is fairly subjective. The image could be more informative and dynamic, and I do not believe it is among Amos' best work. My comments here should be detailed enough to not fall under the "Arguments to avoid" guideline. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 19:59, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think your comment falls under the arguments to avoid guideline. Also, I actually agree with you and have had a change of heart thanks to your comment, the image should be more dynamic and should have one of the Joy-Con detached to show off the Switch's main feature. Your oppose vote is the only valid one in this cesspool of arguments. If you want Amos to improve the image, feel free to ask him on his talk page to retake the photo and provide the arguments you made here as to why he should retake it. Cheers! P.S. Do you think the other Nintendo Switch image Amos took deserves to remain a featured picture or not? 344917661X (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the other Switch image deserves it. It has some of the same issues as the photograph we're currently discussing (in that it doesn't show that you can take the controller apart or remove the screen from the docking station, but it looks much more interesting, having a kind of "dynamic duo" effect. I do think you are being overly critical of the "oppose" !votes in this thread, by the way. Saying people are creating a "cesspool of arguments" is a bit mean. Wikipedians aren't art critics, and I don't think it is too big of an issue that we have difficulty describing why we don't find the image visually appealing or interesting. Moreover, it's definitely an edgecase because the picture is technically so great. I honestly don't care very much either way if it becomes Featured. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly can't think of another sentence to describe the discussion in this page other than a "cesspool of arguments" and I'm sorry if I sounded rude. The discussions on this thread have gone so off the rails that I have decided not to reply to any more comments on this discussion starting now. If you would like to continue the conversation, please do so on my talk page so we can chat alone. P.S. I agree that the previous image deserves to be a featured picture per your comment above. 344917661X (talk) 03:29, 13 October 2018

Support. Great picture and will interest the main page audience. JOE BRO 64 01:25, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Not sure how any aspect of the main page will survive if we continue to act so elitist and shoot down everything we dislike. Anarchyte (talk | work) 04:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As I commnented on the previous nom, this image on its own does not do justice to the article. To try to have a second FP is not appropriate in my mind. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:16, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your wording is extremely vague and it seems as if the only reason why people are opposing this nomination is due to elitism. 344917661X (talk) 12:44, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elitism? Don't be rude. The Nintendo Switch article is illustrated by a logo and two photos. One is already a FP. I don't agree with more than one FP for the same subject. Charlesjsharp (talk) 15:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm sorry if I did act rude. Secondly, there is no limit on how many pictures in a single article can be promoted to featured article status, as long as the images are of good quality. The more pictures promoted to featured picture status, the better Wikipedia gets. 344917661X (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And now that I think about it, I don't think you are an elitist since you just don't want too many pictures in the same article to be promoted to featured picture status. Sca on the other hand, is a different story. 344917661X (talk) 16:12, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Charlesjsharp (talk) 07:26, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per above. --Janke | Talk 11:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
→ Plus, it fails to "illustrate the subject in a compelling way, making the viewer want to know more" (criterion 3). – Sca (talk) 13:53, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So now you're opposing per the featured picture criteria? Why didn't you simply say it fails criteria 3 in your previous oppose votes? Also, criteria 3 is more subjective and wether a picture passes criteria 3 depends on a person's opinion, but then again, you could argue the same point for every picture that you personally don't think illustrates the subject in a compelling way. You thinking it fails criteria 3 seems to be a reflection of your anti-video game stance. 344917661X (talk) 14:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Meets all Featured Pictures criteria. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– Sca (talk) 15:47, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: It is a high-quality image that would be helpful to someone interested in better understanding the console. I do understand the concern though about having two featured pictures on the same subject (i.e. the Nintendo Switch), though I think that the nominated image shows off a different aspect of the system (i.e. the portable version/mode). For that reason, I think it has encyclopedic value (just my opinion though). I am a little confused by the current discussion about the front page though, as that is not a part of the featured picture criteria. Maybe, the criteria needs to be updated to cover this too? Aoba47 (talk) 16:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support: A featured picture candidate should be judged against the featured picture criteria and only the featured picture criteria. The potential use on the Main Page is irrelevant and the criteria doesn't place a limitation on how many FP an article can have. This type of limitation would also be hard to enforce as well if the community ever decided on such limitation. The image passes criteria 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 and 8 with flying colors while criteria 3 and 5 can be subjective to the reviewer. For criteria 3 it clearly states A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative. This is a case of a highly informative image. For criteria 5 it states A picture's encyclopedic value (referred to as "EV") is given priority over its artistic value. In this case for the articles Nintendo Switch , Satoru Iwata, Rocket League & Tegra it does enhance the EV of those articles in the context in which it is used. For the others two are essentially lists (List of handheld game consoles, Handheld game console) while History of video games has an overload of images in general. For Nintendo video game consoles that article would probably best served by moving Nintendo Switch into its own section titled "Hybrid" and chose either the the docked image or this image for the section.
TL;DR When voting base the image off of the featured picture criteria and not the main page or any other criteria not mentioned in WP:FP?. This image passes criteria 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 and 8 without question. It passed criteria 3 as a highly informative image of its primary article while passing criteria 5 by enhancing the encyclopedic value to its primary article and three other articles. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 00:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the fact that images should only be judged against featured picture criteria and not people's own tastes. Most Evan-Amos pictures pass the featured picture criteria with ease, which is why I nominated this image. I also agree with the fact that wether or not the image gets featured on the main page is irrelevant when it comes to featured picture candidate discussions. There are probably a lot of featured pictures that haven't been featured on the main page yet, because wether or not they should and when they should has not been decided yet. Lastly, I agree with the fact that there should be no limitation on how many pictures can be promoted to featured picture status. As long as there are quality images on Wikimedia, we will continue to promote pictures to featured picture status. I feel as if discussions above went a bit off the rails. 344917661X (talk) 00:42, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with me. Sca (talk) 14:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well there is something we can agree on I agree with me too however I still disagree with you. Just because the picture is a photograph of the console in handheld mode it is one of the best examples of the subject the encyclopedia has to offer. Second just because the image isn't "spectacular" or "impressive" it adds a lot of encyclopedic value to the subject which is given priority. Third it meets criteria 3 because the photograph has appropriate lighting to maximize visible detail in accordance with WP:FP?.
If you want the interest of Main Page readers to be added as criteria 9 then I suggest you stop bringing it up on every video game related image and take this discussion to the FPC talk page and see what the community thinks of this. Everytime you bring this up on video game related images which is 3 now it gives me the vibe your only opposing these images for elitist, trivial and you don't like it. If you don't like video games and can't provide constructive, objective and unbiased criticism then don't comment on those images all it does is wastes time and discourages people from wanting to do anything related to featured pictures, good articles, featured articles, etc.
I have no interest in learning the difference between the different species of butterflies but I didn't go to Gold rim swallowtail and Silver-spotted skipper and oppose them on the grounds I think those images would be "of zero interest to most Main Page readers." I reviewed those images objectively and unbiased based on the featured picture criteria and found with 100% I could give my support to them because the pass the criteria with (no pun intended) flying colors. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 06:01, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - does not illustrate the subject in a compelling way. Kaldari (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaldari: If you don't mind me asking how doesn't this image illustrate the subject in a compelling way? This photograph has appropriate lighting and maximizes the visible detail of the unit. Its very clear and informative about what the unit looks like in handheld mode and it is highly informative of the subject. ♪♫Al ucard 16♫♪ 03:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The photo, although technically perfect, is generic and forgettable. It looks like it could have come out of a Sears Catalog. The lighting is flat and perfectly even; the background is non-existent; and the only thing that is compositionally interesting is that the unit is slightly tilted. I know that this is exactly the normal style for video game console illustrations, but I don't think that style is compelling. Illustrative, yes. Compelling, no. It's a great illustration, but I don't think it's a featured picture, IMO. FWIW, I don't think the other Nintendo Switch photo should have been featured either. Kaldari (talk) 13:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The NMI User (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Highly informative image. --Mika1h (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus for promotion. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]