Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Formula One fatal accidents/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was removed by Dabomb87 02:29, 6 May 2010 [1].

List of Formula One fatal accidents edit

Featured list removal candidates/List of Formula One fatal accidents/archive1

Notified: Skully Collins, WikiProject Motorsport, and WikiProject Formula One

This FL from late 2006 has serious sourcing problems that cause it to fail modern criteria. There isn't an inline reference to be found, which surely leaves much of the lead and notes uncited. The general references leave something to be desired; of the four, the only one that appears to cover the list as a whole is the F1Complete link, which is dead and may not be reliable anyway (not sure how much the book covers). The lead could also stand to be improved; it has the old "This is a list of...", and feels like it could be expanded (the absence of the name Aryton Senna amazes me). A couple sorting issues exist (drivers sort by first name, not last, and the track Osterreichring doesn't sort in the right order), but otherwise the main table itself looks nice. Without better sourcing, however, it's not enough to meet 2010 FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have archives that go back quite a way so I'll see if I can add some references to a lot of these. Readro (talk) 19:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Work on addressing the sourcing continues (over 70% of the list is now inline referenced), which should also allow us to drop less reliable sources such as F1Complete. The sorting issues should all be addressed (drivers sort by last name and the Osterreichring now goes in the correct place). AlexJ (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work. Could we have in-line citations for the notes as well? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It should be fairly easy, although I'm pretty sure that in all the ones I added, the source covered the note as well as the table text. Is it worth repeating the same citation in the footnotes, or would it be better to merge the notes into the table? AlexJ (talk) 21:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Typically we'd expect notes of such detail to be cited individually. If you consider you could merge the notes back into the table elegantly enough then I'd pursue that approach. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've got a book by Yates, Brock W. ( "The Indianapolis 500: The Story of the Motor Speedway." Harper and Brothers: New York. 1956. ) I picked up at an antique shop and will try to fill in more for the U.S. Indy 500 deaths. See Chet Miller. Do we want to add Carl Scarborough, who retired from the race and died shortly afterward from heat exhaustion? If so, that technicality needs to be added to the overall list. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It comes down to technicalities, as you say, but I don't believe that Scarborough can be described as having been in a fatal accident, and hence his omission from the list is correct IMO. AlexJ (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would add it as a comment in, perhaps, the lead but I think the scope of this list is those who died during a Formula One event, and perhaps Scarborough didn't quite match those criteria because it occurred after the event. A cited note would be a good thing though, and perhaps clarification of the inclusion criteria? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the list is called List of Formula One fatal accidents, the scope is probably just accidents. Otherwise the naming is wrong. Readro (talk) 08:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of good changes have occured in the referencing department; one of the last inlines is in all caps, which should be removed from the cite, but otherwise things there are looking much better. The lead still needs some refurbishment, though. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as referencing goes, I own a copy of "The Complete Book of Formula One"(ISBN 9780760334560), so if you guys need me to look anything up and add references, let me know, preferably on my talk page because I'm likely to forget to come here. :) Matthewedwards : Chat 01:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remove because of MOS violations and other issues:

Whys is Forty-five drivers spelled out, while such numbers as 8, 4, and 9 are not? All single digits should be spelled out. Other numbers should be probably spelled out as well for consistency.
No driver has suffered a fatal accident since 1994, making this the longest period in F1 history without a driver fatality Sorry, but the table includes two accidents from 2000 and 2002.

Ruslik_Zero 19:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently an ongoing discussion about the scope of this list, which will probably result in some considerable changes to the article one way or another. Suggest removing FL status and reapplying when the discussion is complete and the list restructured, or at least waiting a few days. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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