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Timeline of the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season

Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1

Nominator(s): 12george1 (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After some unsuccessful FACs, I have decided to attempt an FLC. I am nominating this article for featured list because I firmly believe that this meets the criteria for FL; it was edited/revised in accordance to the standards used in the Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season and the Timeline of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season (two very recent FLC candidates). As always, if you disagree with my assumption that this should be an FL, please comment about what needs to be done below. Finally, I would like to note that this is a nomination for the WikiCup.--12george1 (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. Prose still needs considerable work: I'm still seeing some prose errors, but as I don't have time to resume reviewing I will strike my oppose. Cheers, Auree ^★★ 18:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"with 14 tropical cyclones becoming named storms" is sloppy construction. You can either remove "becoming" or rephrase to something like "during which 14 tropical cyclones became named storms."

Done--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Although Tropical Depression One formed on May 24, the season officially began on June 1 and ended on November 30, dates that conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones develop in the Atlantic basin." In this sentence, grammatically, "although" contrasts both "began on June 1 and ended on November 30," while it's supposed to be in contrast with only "began on June 1."

Why didn't you say that for the FLC of the Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season? The sentence is worded the same way, but you didn't have a problem with it then.--12george1 (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because reviewers learn and grow, and as such they identify new mistakes. I'm not sure what it is you're accusing me of here. Auree ^★★ 04:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilink major hurricane (it redirects but it's still useful).

Done--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you mention deaths and damage totals? Those are not discussed by the timeline.

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"formed roughly halfway between the northern coast of Honduras and Cape San Antonio, Cuba" Honduras' northern coast is pretty big. Anything more specific?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Tropical Depression One attain its" grammar

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Tropical Depression One made landfall near Guasimal, Matanzas, Cuba with winds of 30 mph (45 km/h)." Needs a comma after the country (Cuba); check for consistency throughout.

Fixed every occurrence throughout the article--12george1 (talk) 03:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"0000 UTC (8:00 p.m. EDT May 31) - The 1990 Atlantic hurricane season officially began." Why the change in tense? It switches to present tense again at the end of the timeline. Please be consistent and per convention change everything to present tense.

Better?--12george1 (talk) 04:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd much prefer present tense since that's conventional in timelines. Auree ^★★ 16:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in this article is now in present tense.--12george1 (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing inconsistencies in the ways numbers are rounded and estimates are given. If converted from nautical miles or knots, please round to the nearest 5 digit, and when rough estimates like 1,000 mi are given, converting to a more precise value of 1,610 km (rather than 1,600) is rather inconsequential.

I tried to be as accurate as possible, without using decimals. Would you rather I say 1,609.334 km?--12george1 (talk) 03:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, quite the contrary. 1,000 is an estimate, so the kilometers value should be an estimate too (1,600 rather than 1,610). Auree ^★★ 05:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the TCR again and it actually wasn't 1,000 miles, it was 1,000 nautical miles. So 1,000 nautical miles is approximately 1,150 statute miles. In conversion, that would be near 1,850 km. So I corrected this.--12george1 (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If this one had the problematic conversion, you should check if others might too. Auree ^★★ 16:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hyphens are used in the timeline throughout, when really they should be replaced with en dashes.

I have used & nbsp;-, just like it is on the Timeline of the 2002 AHS--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, you need en dashes (–) here, not hyphens (-). Please change this in the table as well, where wind speed ranges are currently denoted with hyphens.

Alright, now I have it for sure.--12george1 (talk) 22:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources could be formatted more professionally. Please see Timeline of the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season, and rather than indicating page numbers in brackets after the title, make use of the page parameter. Auree ^★★ 02:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But they aren't PDF files--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So? Auree ^★★ 05:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay; fixed--12george1 (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: All used images appear to be free and are properly tagged as such. Several of the File: pages might benefit from some clean-up though. Good raise 13:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"The 1990 Atlantic hurricane season had the most named storms at the time, during which 14 tropical cyclones became named storms." -- Would prefer "featured" in place of "had"

"Although the season was the most active Atlantic hurricane season at the time, it featured only a few notable storms, since most of the tropical cyclones were either weak or remained at sea." -- Would prefer "primarily because" in place of "since" and "many" in the place of "most"
Make sure that all units are rounded and not approximated, such as "1200 UTC (8:00 a.m. EDT) – Tropical Depression One is absorbed by an approaching cold front while located about 44 miles (71 km) west of Key West,Florida"
"0800–0900 UTC (4:00–5:00 a.m. EDT) – Tropical Storm Arthur passes through the Windward Islands between Grenada and Tobago." -- I am not sure why this is needed??
"0600 UTC (2:00 a.m. EDT) – Hurricane Bertha weakens to a tropical storm while it makes landfall near Sydney, Nova Scotia, with winds of 70 mph (115 km/h). Simultaneously, Tropical Storm Bertha transitions into an extratropical storm." -- "while making" in place of "while it makes"

TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:14, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have resolved all of your issues--12george1 (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

First sentence: "The 1990 Atlantic hurricane season featured the most named storms at the time, during which 14 tropical cyclones became named storms." The part before the comma doesn't flow at all with what comes after it (most at the time, during which?), and there's a prose redundancy with "named storms". Needs a rewrite.
~~The "most named storms at the time" part appears later in the lead, which is a bit redundant in itself. At least vary the language a little.~~
- ~~Still needs an "of" between "number" and "named".~~ Giants2008 (Talk) 18:13, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ok, now it should be fixed--12george1 (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
~~October 5, 1200 UTC entry: "Simultaneously, the attains its peak intensity...". Was this supposed to have "storm" in it?~~ Giants2008 (Talk) 02:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed those three issues. On the first one, I decided that it would be best to split that sentence in order to prevent the redundancy and "most at the time, during which" thing.--12george1 (talk) 05:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"16 tropical depressions, of which fourteen intensified " 16/14 or sixteen/fourteen, not a mix.

I don't follow you here; I have to say that 14 of the 16 tropical depressions intensified into a tropical storm (named storm).--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Either always use words or always use numbers in a paricular sentence. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see now. At first I thought you were wanting me to remove either just the number 16 or 14, and not both. However, I fixed it now so that it is the same, and not one in numeric form and the other spelled out.--12george1 (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"featured only a few notable storms" vague.

I don't know if I can get more specif than that; do you have any suggestions?--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you can be more specific than "a few". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Better?--12george1 (talk) 04:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"of loss of life and damage" reverse "damage and loss of life" (so it can't be confused with "loss of ... damage"

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image is virtually pointless at its current size, I can't make anything out of it.

Better?--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"1200–1800 UTC (8:00 a.m.–2:00 p.m. EDT) – Tropical Depression One makes landfall " it took six hours to "make landfall"?

I don't specifically when landfall occurred, but it was between 1200 and 1800 UTC on that day.--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Under August 2, you have "0000 UTC (8:00 p.m. EDT August 2)" twice, should that be "0000 UTC (8:00 p.m. EDT August 1)"?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"after emerging into " reads odd to me, most things emerge "from" somewhere not "into" somewhere.

We almost always say "emerging into" or "emerged into"; would it be better if I said "entering"?

Who is "we"? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The other members of the WikiProject Tropical Cyclones--12george1 (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is it Saffir–Simpson Hurricane scale or Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale?

Fixed--12george1 (talk) 02:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:14, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

There is a discrepancy between the text and the image caption on the conversion for the distance of Hurricane Klaus to Barbuda — it's either 12 mi (20 km) or 12 mi (19 km), but not both.
On TRM's comments about having a number spelled out or expressed in digits in a sentence, that particular sentence still uses a mix (16, 14, eight, one). It's one or the other (as I've been told many a time myself, as much as I dislike using digits for numbers below ten).
As this isn't FAC but rather FLC, shouldn't you have citations in the introduction for the key facts? —Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 18:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think fixed all three of your issues with this article--12george1 (talk) 20:50, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 12:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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