Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Scotland national football team 1920–39 results/archive1

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Scotland national football team 1920–39 results edit

Featured list candidates/Scotland national football team 1920–39 results/archive1

Nominator(s): Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. I am working towards getting all of the Scotland results lists to FL, using the existing FL Scotland national football team 1872–1914 results as a basis to work from. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 13:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments'

"Between 1920 and 1939, when competitive football was interrupted by the First World War and the Second World War." this makes it read as if the wars occurred between 1920 and 1939 instead of before and after. Make it clearer when these events happened.

Rewritten to remove references to the wars - I don't think this is necessary.

"The team drew extremely large crowds..." extremely may be a tad pov (even though the figures were high!), would just use large

Rewritten.

Table does not meet MOS:DTT. You need to add row and col scopes

Done with col scopes. Not done with row scopes because it seems to make the date appear in bold.

Just add plainrowheaders to the wikitable sortable bit and you'll be grand. NapHit (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is the sorting right? Would sorting by result make more sense?

Not sure how this would be done.

I'm not 100% about this myself, I'll leave this up for a bit and see if others have an opinion. NapHit (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you need to specify the widths for the date and venue columns, its causing wrapping on my browser

Removed width specifications.

Perhaps pipe the goalscorers links to their surnames, seeing as this common practice in football reporting?

NapHit (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments below each point. I think I will remove the first names, but will leave that until the other points are finalized. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking good now, but just one final comment. The by opponent and by season tables need to meet MOS:DTT as well. NapHit (talk) 13:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mattythewhite

I'm not sure about the current title format. I think Scotland national football team results (1920–39) would read better, and follows the format of featured lists like List of Birmingham City F.C. players (25–99 appearances).

I think that would need to go to a move discussion, because it affects other teams with similar articles. Isn't there a guideline which suggests that natural disambiguation should be used where possible (i.e. avoiding the use of brackets)?

Yes, it would probably be best to leave the naming of the title until after this FLC closes. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:23, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Image is lacking alt text.
Tooltips for "Att." and "Ref."?
I'd agree with pipeing the scorers.

Agreed. I will put in an initial if there are examples of common surnames.

Also, I would unlink them after their first instance, as this column is not sortable.

Agreed.

Is it worth noting who scored the own goal in the match played on 12 April 1924?

Done.

The "Record by opponent" and "British Home Championship record by season" aren't referenced.

Reference added for the BHC results. I doubt if there would be a reference available for record by opponent by a specific time period. Remove, or is it just a case of WP:CALC?

Couldn't you use the three RSSSF refs you used for the results? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:29, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your edits and feedback. Some comments above. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

think it is worth mentioning that during this period, Scotland was listed among the top teams worldwide according to the Elo ratings. World Football Elo Ratings says it was #4 and #7 by decade. Nergaal (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think it should be pointed out somewhere that Scotland had not played a single game from 1914 until 1920, and perhaps who were some of the notable players in this period (top goalscorers?). Nergaal (talk) 17:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Second sentence of lead has too many clauses for easy reading.
Minor issue, you use FIFA in FIFA World Cup before you use FIFA on its own.
For sortable consistency, all goalscorers should be linked each time.
Grunewaldstadion is piped to Olympic Stadium (Berlin) which redirects to Olympiastadion (Berlin).
I don't see a need for the "Overall record" table for British Home Championship, it adds no value.
Ref 3 and Ref 8 need an endash in the title.
You could put a couple of images in the white space to the right of the two summary tables, brighten things up a bit.
Record by season table really only needs sourcing once, not every line.

Otherwise a nice list. P.S. I agree with the proposed page move as well... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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