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List of songs written by Bonnie McKee

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Nominator(s): Samjohnzon (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. The list contains table-sorting facilities and is very easy to navigate, contains images and is a stable article. Samjohnzon (talk) 01:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • Her debut single "American Girl" was released in 2013—but the table lists "Trouble" and "Somebody" from Trouble (2004) as singles?
  • You don't need the refs in the lead and the photo-captions for stuff that is referenced in the table. Remove them.
  • She was named Rolling Stone's "Best Secret Weapon" in 2011—this sentence makes it seem like an official, major honour ("she won for Best Album at the Grammys), when it's likely just an off-the-cuff remark.
  • McKee is perhaps best known for collaborating with fellow singer-songwriter Katy Perry—the cite at the end doesn't seem to back this up. I also think it's a bit much to call Perry a "singer-songwriter"; it makes it seem that she is in the mould of McKee.
  • "Thanks For Nothing" → "Thanks for Nothing". Audit for similar throughout per the rules of MOS:CT.
  • Decapitalise the all-caps titles in the references per MOS:CT. The "(Legal work)" is also unnecessary.
  • I urge you to use WebCite or something to create a backup of your BMI refs, just in case they change their URLs suddenly (it's happened in the past with several industry websites).
  • Some of the refs are missing publisher name; some are wrongly name "BMI | Repertoire Search". Please audit all your references for errors.
  • Not a fan of the separate table for the chart toppers; mostly a redundancy. Instead I suggest two things, choose either: a) list UK and US chart positions for all the songs in the main table or b) create a hat-note or symbol for the chart-toppers (separate ones for UK and US).
  • Those three notes right at the bottom need a better home, and also should be alphabetised instead of numbered to prevent confusing with the ref nos. I suggest doing what I did at List of current Indian chief ministers (see below the main table).
  • In the "Contents" you should remove the alphabets with no entries; "0-9" and "N", for eg.
  • The "Indicates songs written solely by McKee" symbol is unnecessary IMO. That she wrote it solely is self-evident from seeing her name alone. Also it seems to only apply to her Trouble songs.
  • "Indicates promotional single release" should be replaced by a hatnote since it's a single occurrence.

Lots of niggling problems, but no biggies as far I can see. Once these are resolved I look forward to supporting.—(locked-out) User:Indopug 122.172.11.178 (talk) 08:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Should have fixed all of these problems now, thanks for the feedback. Samjohnzon (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. I'll take another look in detail and give my support after the weekend. Indopug 122.172.46.163 (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I forgot about this. One last thing: you haven't added a source that verifies the songs that topped the charts.—indopug (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support once the above comment is taken care of.—indopug (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support (having stumbled here from my FLC discussion page). The list page is quite well referenced throughout, and also has great tabular presentation and formatting that looks high quality to me as compared with previous Featured Lists. One small issue with this particular one: the notes at the end of the list, the four last notes at the end of the subsection Songs, should be contained in their own separate subsection called Footnotes. Good luck, — Cirt (talk) 12:25, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • No need for that bold start in the lead, certainly no reason to have bold links.
  • Image captions which are not complete sentences do not need to take a full stop.
  • No need to repeat McKee three times in the first three sentences.
  • "McKee is well known for co-writing" this sounds like an opinion without a reference.
  • ""Dynamite" became the second-best-selling song by a British artist in the digital era." is this claim referenced?
  • Notes are typically referenced if they make claims which aren't referenced elsewhere.
  • Check ref titles for WP:DASH compliance.
  • Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles.
  • Check refs have publisher information, e.g. check ref 37 for instance.

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken care of these with the exception of:
  • ""Dynamite" became the second-best-selling song by a British artist in the digital era." is this claim referenced?
  • Notes are typically referenced if they make claims which aren't referenced elsewhere.
  • Check ref titles for WP:DASH compliance.
  • Check refs have publisher information, e.g. check ref 37 for instance.
I'll leave these for the nominator who likely has more knowledge of the subject than I do. Gloss • talk 21:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Comments

  • I'd lead in with the 50+ credits and move the number of number ones to later one (probably just a straight switch). You want to define your scope clearly from the outset and then move on to more specific information; as is the opening sentence sets up expectations of a very brief list.
  • I'm not convinced the table needs indicators for number one singles; this can easily be set up either in the lead, in referenced captions along the side (for example, the Katy Perry one could be expanded with a list of which five, followed by a ref; this would also fill up a little more white space). As we have it, it just seems odd to focus so up-front on only two markets.
  • Where has this woman been all my life?
  • Consider alt text for your images to better comply with WP:ACCESS.
  • "Eight of these have topped either the British or the American charts" -> I'd explicitly mention and link the UK Singles Chart and Billboard Hot 100 here
  • "In 2012, McKee co-wrote three songs on Adam Lambert's album Trespassing and two songs for Ke$ha's album Warrior, "C'Mon" and "Supernatural", the former of which served as the second single from the record." -> Overly long. Best bet might be to name the Lambert songs, end sentence, start a new one for the Kesha songs.
  • ""Dynamite" became the second-best-selling song by a British artist in the digital era." -> Big claim, needs a ref. Might also be worth clarifying what the "digital era" is (given that compact discs are digital media, is this from the mid-80s on, or is this from the advent of downloads in chart figures, or somewhere in between?)
  • There are songs in the table with no artist or album, which I assume are just owned by a label until they're assigned to an artist; it might be worth clarifying this situation in the lead (it'd be more valuable as information than, say, what song was a single from which album).
  • There's a few instances of refs preceded by an unnecessary space.
  • I've never seen the point of alphabetical anchors in a sortable table, but that's just aesthetic on my part really.
  • Not sure it's optimal to have "N/A" sort in the midst of real entries; would it combine with {{sort}} to be shunted off to the end? If not, don't worry about it.
  • If "BMI" is Broadcast Music, Inc., pipe it.
  • Remember that the lead and table are due to date soon; information on the new album should be incorporated as soon as it can be reliably sourced.
GRAPPLE X 05:30, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the claim about "Dynamite" by Taio Cruz seems to be based on this source. Although it doesn't specifically say, I think these figures relate to America only, not the whole world, so that should be made clear. Also it seems to relate to "the Nielsen SoundScan era", which is probably not exactly the same thing as "the digital era", whatever that is...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:23, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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