Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Rise Against/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC) [1].

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List of songs recorded by Rise Against

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Nominator(s): Famous Hobo (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Major pop stars like Katy Perry and Rihanna seem to be getting all of the attention when it comes to Featured song lists, so let's try to change things up by bringing in a rock band (as a side note, no offense to the editors who work on pop articles, you guys seriously do some awesome work with heavily trafficked articles). Anyway, this song list is a bit different from previous Featured song lists, as you might be able to tell quickly. However, I believe that it does its job well, and meets all of the necessary requirements. Famous Hobo (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Aoba47

• Just a clarification question, but in the second sentence of the lead, you mention that the band formed in 1999 and signed a record deal. Did they sign the record deal in 1999 as well or was it in a separate year (like 2000 for instance)? I would suggest making this clear to construct a clear timeline for an unfamiliar reader. You can add something like (in the same year) or something along those lines.
• Rather than saying "reached the Billboard 200", I would say "charted on the Billboard 200". This may be just a personal preference, but it would make it clear that we are discussing music charts. I understand what you mean by "reached", but I am just a little off to me though I can be overthinking it.

• These are the only two comments that I noticed while reading through the list and the lead (and they are very minor and nitpicky). You have done an excellent job with this list; it actually makes me want to make another list like this one in the future. I appreciate that you add some diversity by creating this kind of list for a musical genre outside of pop so major credit for that. Once my two brief comments are addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

@Aoba47: Alright, I think both comments have been taken care of. Thanks for taking the time to review this! Famous Hobo (talk) 01:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

• Support: Wonderful job with this list; I hope that this receives more attention in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 01:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Carbrera

• The list does look great, but why wouldn't the list include the live performance songs, as noted in Note A.? Yes, they were performed live, but they were also included on a released album/compilation. Carbrera (talk) 00:49, 9 May 2017 (UTC).

@Carbrera: I may be reading into the article title a bit too much, but when I think of recorded songs, I think of songs performed and recorded in a studio. The live performance songs I didn't include were not officially performed in a studio, but at a concert. But since you and Littlecarmen both brought up this comment, I don't mind adding the live performance songs. Famous Hobo (talk) 01:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Famous Hobo: I'd love to see when you finish any changes with the article, so please ping me upon completion. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 02:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC).

@Carbrera: Alright, I added all live performances to the list (surprisingly there were only three, at least from what I could find). I've also updated the lead to include the three new songs. Famous Hobo (talk) 03:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Famous Hobo: Thank you for doing so. I can now support this list. Would you mind taking a look at my FLC as well? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. Carbrera (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2017 (UTC).

Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 21:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Oppose (for now) Clearly a lot of work has gone into this article, but unfortunately I feel that it is still way from being an FL. My biggest (in fact, only) sticking point is the lead, which seems quite brief. Articles on similar subjects (e.g. Faith No More, Jason Newsted, Thirty Seconds to Mars) all have leads about 1½–2 times longer – is there really nothing else that you can say on this subject? There's no information about who writes Rise Against's songs, for example, or which songs were released as singles and why. You say that the band's music "shifted toward a more accessible and radio-friendly sound" with Appeal to Reason – did they stay in this genre for Endgame and The Black Market, or did they return to their hardcore roots? Do Rise Against have any "signature" songs? Where are their songs usually recorded? Who produces them? Which songs have been the most downloaded or streamed? I'm not saying that you have to include any or all of this material, but I do think that it's close to the sort of information that could be included in the intro to make the article more comprehensive. On the subject of the intro, I worry that it lacks focus in its current state. This article is specifically about Rise Against's songs, but these aren't even mentioned until the second half of the lead. Info about albums, record labels and chart positions would all be relevant in the main article or a discography, but it's less so here (unless you can relate it back to their songs). Personally, I'd suggest rewriting the lead with the second paragraph as a jumping off point. At the very, very least I would rewrite the opening sentence so that Rise Against's songs are mentioned earlier, e.g. "Since 2001, the American rock band Rise Against has recorded 117 songs, which include 104 original songs and 13 covers. The band was formed etc. etc." "Prayer of the Refugee -> "Prayer of the Refugee" Per MOS:HASH, the # in the contents should be avoided – consider using 0–9 instead. The caption text in the table doesn't require a terminating period. Album names beginning with "The" need to sort under their second word. Use of Template:Sortname is good for this. "Audience Of One" -> "Audience of One" Bruce Springsteen needs to sort under his surname. "Re-Education (Through Labor)" needs to be above "Ready to Fall" when the table loads. Spaced hyphens ( - ) and spaced em dashes ( — ) need to be spaced en dashes ( – ). Per WP:SEEALSO, links that already appear in any nav boxes needn't be also included in the See Also section. I'm really not sure what purpose that note plays. Use of words such as "However" and "Therefore" risks violating MOS:OPED. There's no need for the note to source who writes the songs; the Ref. column already does that. I'd suggest getting rid of the note entirely and merging the info about Tim McIlrath being Rise Against's primary lyricist into the lead. Consider adding " • Rise Against songs at Allmusic" to an External links section. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC) Yeah, I was afraid someone would bring up the fact that the lead is very different from other featured song lists. I can take care of all of the small issues right now (aka everything except the first two). The first two will require a bit more work. I'll work on the first two in one of my sandboxes, and I'll message you on your talkpage about how the lead looks when it's done. Thanks for the comments! Famous Hobo (talk) 20:29, 12 May 2017 (UTC) @A Thousand Doors: Alright, most of the issues have been addressed (except for the first two and the comment about the note). I'll message you when I'm done. Famous Hobo (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

• Support – I already peer reviewed this list last month and I have no further issues with the it. Great job on this list! I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at my FL nomination as well. Littlecarmen (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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