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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 02:14, 11 August 2015 [1].

List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey edit

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Nominator(s): Littlecarmen (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working on this list of songs recorded by American chamber and art pop singer-songwriter Lana Del Rey for about one and a half years trying to get it to the highest quality possible and I would like to see it achieve featured list status. I would appreciate any comments. Greetings, Littlecarmen (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from West Virginian (talk) 12:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Review by West Virginian


Littlecarmen, overall you've done an outstanding job of codifying all of Del Rey's extensive musical catalog, in a concise and well-referenced format. This is my first Featured List review, and it's my first review of a musical article, albeit a musical list, so please bear with me throughout this process, because I may be unaware of standard operations and procedure regarding what is, and what is not acceptable for an article of this type. Thank you for all your hard work on this list!

  • In the first paragraph of the lede, you mention that Del Rey had assumed her stage name for her debut studio album. Therefore, it is not necessary to mention the name change in the second paragraph when referencing her recording contract with Stranger Records in 2011 as it has already been established by 2010. I would recommend using the following New York Times and BBC News Online articles which also lay out the timeline of Del Rey's career and name change:
  • "Finding Her Future Looking to the Past: Lana Del Rey Still Stirs Things Up With 'Ultraviolence'". The New York Times. New York City. June 12, 2014. Retrieved July 25, 2015.
  • Savage, Mark (January 27, 2012). "Love, the law, and Lana Del Rey". BBC News Online. Retrieved July 25, 2015.
  • She has used two different stage names. Lana Del Ray (with an A) for her debut album Lana Del Ray and then Lana Del Rey since 2011. That's why it's mentioned twice; it's for two different names. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, thank you for the clarification. I hadn't noticed the slight change in spelling. -- West Virginian (talk) 02:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am rather unfamiliar with the standard references and inline citation procedures for musical articles, so again, bear with me here. For citation number 2 and others like it, the citation links to an album article, with "Media notes" as the referenced item. Are these the liner notes on the EP or compact disc? I'm assuming there is no online database with this information for reference? If this is standard protocol for these articles and lists, I will assume good faith. I was just curious.
  • They are for the liner notes for the physical release of the EP. It's quite common to use these as a reference. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there an inline citation reference available for the last sentence of the second paragraph? And for the third paragraph?
  • There are no inline citations in those paragraphs because the information in them is mentioned and sourced in the table. According to WP:CITELEAD, the lead doesn't require citations if the content is sourced in the body of the article. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, then that will be fine as that content is cited below in the list. -- West Virginian (talk) 02:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The last sentence of the fourth paragraph of the lede also needs an inline citation to a reference. The final sentence of the fifth paragraph could also use an inline citation to a reference.
  • The image of Del Rey performing is acceptable for use here, as it is licensed CC BY 2.0. It is good to go!
  • Depending upon the outcome of the question above, I will assume good faith on the "Media notes" citations for the list of songs.
  • In addition to "Media notes" inline citations, I would also encourage you to use articles from reputable media sources with online articles that can be referenced and linked to. The New York Times, Billboard and MTV News are three sites with this information that immediately come to mind. Again, you've done a phenomenal job bringing together this catalog list! -- West Virginian (talk) 19:33, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you very much for the compliments and comments! I have used the best sources I could find that verifies the information in the article. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:16, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Littlecarmen, it has been my pleasure. You've done a phenomenal job here. You may want to add additional inline citations, as the source for Citation 3 ([2]) does not currently link to the information it is supposed to support. I would again recommend citing other periodicals from the period that can support the information and can be easily verified by the reader. I also do not know if sites like AXS meet Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. -- West Virginian (talk) 02:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for bringing ref #3 to my attention. I have replaced it. I have referenced everything that needs referencing with reliable sources and I don't see why AXS shouldn't be seen as a reliable source. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Littlecarmen, this is the most authoritative and comprehensive Lana Del Rey song recordings list out there, and I hereby support its passage to Featured List status. -- West Virginian (talk) 12:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Frankie talk
Comments from FrB.TG
  • Expand EP on its first usage with EP in parenthesis, and then you can use it simply as EP.
  • Is it that important to discuss her birth name and such I mean I can not find one in Katy Perry, Lady Gaga etc.
  • I think it is. Her having changed her stage name is frequently talked about and she used her birth name for her first release, so I think it should be mentioned. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extended play linked twice in the lead.
  • "Del Rey secured a recording contract with Interscope Records" – I would suggest to replace the word "secure" with "sign" or something as that does not look sound.
  • "Del Rey followed up Born to Die with an"
  • "in collaboration with" used three times in the lead. Replace one or two.
  • I replaced one because I can't find many alternatives. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not sure about this, but I think you can also add the remixed version of "Summertime Sadness" in the table as it was more successful than the original.
  • I didn't think remixes should be included since the lyrics are the same and shouldn't we need to add all remixes, not just particular ones, if we start doing that? Littlecarmen (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, and if we do that, it will be overkill. -- Frankie talk 09:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Compared to Del Rey's career, I think the lead is a bit long. How about some trimming?
  • I've removed one sentence I deemed unnecessary but I'm not sure what else I could trim because I think it's all important. Is there something in particular you think should be removed? Littlecarmen (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nothing I find is trivial or unnecessary, just that I felt the length was a bit long, but I think it's fine. -- Frankie talk 09:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Next time when you nominate an article for FLC, please do this. I would appreciate it if you also look mine. -- Frankie talk 09:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh god, somehow I forgot to do that, thanks for doing it for me! Where is your nomination? I'll take a look at it if you can link it because I can't find it. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's okay. Link. -- Frankie talk 09:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Azealia911 talk 21:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Azealia911
  • Ref. → {{Tooltip|Ref.|Reference}}
  • None of the songs listed as singles have references to prove they're singles, while I don't have the albums listed in the refs, media notes don't usually include information about which songs are singles.
  • The WP:ALT for the picture of Lana isn't how it should be, look here at the Queen Elizabeth II one and you'll see what I mean.
  • "Ghetto Baby" is indicated as a single but it's article says otherwise.
  • Place a <br> in the artist column for listings of "--- featuring ---". ideally after the word "featuring". Due to her having a three word name, "Rey" is normally left on a line of its own and it looks somewhat distorted.
  • The three notes could all be merged into one considering they all say the same thing.

Looking good otherwise. Azealia911 talk 17:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your comments! Littlecarmen (talk) 19:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Last tiny things, change Ref. to Ref(s). Add an S to "official track listing." in the note, and <br> the refs so the column forms a single line as opposed to some being next to eachother and others not. Ghetto Baby and Wait For Life also need ! scope="row" | Azealia911 talk
Done. Littlecarmen (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Another happy support after comments are addressed quickly and politely, always a pleasure :) Azealia911 talk 21:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! Littlecarmen (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give this a deeper look later on but here are some initial comments. Looks pretty good.
  • "the track experienced commercial success" This sounds odd to me. Maybe "After the commercial success of the track,".
  • Late 2012 --> November 2012
  • "to the soundtrack of the 2013 adaptation of F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby" --> to the soundtrack of Baz Luhrmann's 2013 film adaptation of The Great Gatsby. I'm sure everyone knows Fitzgerald wrote it.
  • For the debuting at number one in twelve countries sentence, perhaps add an as of x date.
  • Correct me if it already does that but for the table is it possible for the year column to sort chronologically for albums released in the same year.
  • Ref 8 is a PR release from her record company. Can you find an alternate secondary source?
  • The only other source I found is this one and it's likely they got their info from Wikipedia. I just thought the press release was the most reliable. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • We tend not to use commercial links on Wikipedia as references. Are there alternate refs for the info sourced by Amazon, iTunes etc.?

Cowlibob (talk) 21:10, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The list has got ref error(s) where there is an accessdate but no url. Check the refs to find the problem one(s). Cowlibob (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I found one and fixed it. Littlecarmen (talk) 14:26, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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