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The list was archived by Crisco 1492 13:17, 17 April 2015 [1].

List of songs recorded by Jessie J edit

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Nominator(s): — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I really think that this list satisfies the FL criteria, cause it's simple, easy to navigate and well organised. This is its second nomination because the first one failed as a result of no activity. — Tomíca(T2ME) 22:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Aaron
Resvolved comments from Aaron
  • and also → and she has also
  • Done.
  • I think the lead is single release-centric, there's no mention of non-singles, which should be included because this isn't a singles discography.
  • I mentioned "Abracadabra" too. The thing is she doesn't have any notable songs tbh. There is also a mention of her [no-single] song with Guetta "Repeat".
  • They don't have to be notable. This article isn't about just singles, it's about songs recorded. Writers, producers and genres should be included for non-singles, too. I don't want to blow my own trumpet but if you look at List of songs recorded by Cheryl Cole for example, there is just as much weight on the writers, producers and genres of non-singles as there are on the singles.  — ₳aron 23:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • She teamed-up with the Norwegian production duo StarGate and Sia Furler and co-wrote three songs for the album, "Thunder", "Breathe" and "Unite". Sia didn't co-write "Thunder", but it implies she did. Also, I think you could add just one more sentence about writers/genres of two more songs from Sweet Talker, because only "Bang Bang" has detail, and two passing mentions other others. Also, her first and third albums haven't got the year release in brackets, but Alive does. "Burnin Up" is a hip hop collab with 2 Chainz, and "Masterpeice" is addressing her haters, similar to that of songs on "Who You Are", something like that.  — ₳aron 12:40, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • She has co-written "Thunder", check the credits. She co-wrote every song on Alive. And I added a sentence about "Burnin' Up" and "Masterpiece". Probably, it's fine now. — Tomíca(T2ME) 13:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sia Furler didn't co-write "Thunder" nor every song lol  — ₳aron 17:23, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's no mention of genres or musical styles of some songs either.
  • Added, quite a few.
  • Too many sentences list too many songwriters. I'd keep it to two or three prominent writers, not five or six.
  • Cut them.
  • Collaborated/collaboration is slightly repetitive. Maybe features or work with for the sake of variety?
  • Only 3 times now; 2 times collaborated and 1 collaboration

But aside from these points, I think the list should be promoted and represents what an FL should look like, so upon these points being implemented I will show support for the promotion.  — ₳aron 22:19, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your comments Calvin, I hope my response will satisfy you. — Tomíca(T2ME) 23:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Great comprehensive list!  — ₳aron 10:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Per my comments on the previous one. Plus, if you could look at my one. -- FrankBoy (Buzz) 10:44, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not loving the lead image for her, just based off the face she's making, is there another picture that can be used? But passed that, I support, good job :) LADY LOTUS • TALK 12:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow guys! Thank you, sincerely. Those were 3 fast supports, in comparison with the previous FLC that was closed because of no activity. @Calvin999: and @FrB.TG: I will comment on both of your lists, very soon. And @Lady Lotus: I changed the picture, hope you like it now. — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perfect, that's actually the one I was thinking of :) LADY LOTUS • TALK 15:07, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Why have you hidden the writers' names in the list? Readers should be able to scan a table readily without having to click on each individual entry. I suggest you remove the hidden status of entries in this column. BTW I would also consider left-justifying the text in columns with words rather than numbers. Gatoclass (talk) 16:40, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The emphasis is not on the writers solely. This isn't a list of songs written by or for Jessie J. It also makes the table unnecessarily longer to display all of the writers.  — ₳aron 16:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You have used fixed-width columns, that is not a good idea because different users have different screen sizes and so the narrowest possible table width is usually the best. Regarding the writers' names, you could just use the surnames, with links where appropriate, and a master link in the column header giving their names in full. Alternatively, if most of the songs were written by the same people, you could just use a code, A, B, C etc for this or that group of songwriters. They are just a couple of suggestions. Hiding the songwriters' names is just going to make users interested in the songwriters work very hard to get their information. Gatoclass (talk) 16:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not me who has used fixed-width columns. No, just using surnames and a master key is a ridiculous proposal, it's creating too much unnecessary work and navigation. Not all of the songs are written by the same people either. Using an A, B, C system is just confusing. It's not difficult to click on "Show" is not very difficult. I think you are over thinking it a bit.  — ₳aron 17:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect Gato, I don't like your idea(s). I think this is how they will get more interested and want to see who the writers are by clicking show. And I wouldn't say one click is a "hard work" to get the information who the writer of a specific song is. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:02, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, one click is not much work. But what about those who are interested in seeing who is doing all the writing for this artist, or who wants to see at a glance who wrote what? They are going to be seriously inconvenienced. Hiding the fields defeats the whole purpose of a table IMO, which is to provide quick and handy access to a large amount of information. Gatoclass (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The you just click "show." It doesn't defeat the point at all, because this isn't a list of songs written by Jessie J or for Jessie J. It's for songs she has recorded, so the emphasis is actually on the first column, the list of songs.  — ₳aron 17:15, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have it your own way. But if I was going to vote on this nomination, which I'm not, I couldn't vote for a table with hidden fields like that. Gatoclass (talk) 17:30, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, that's your opinion. No one is asking you to change your mind.  — ₳aron 17:31, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Quick drive-by comment: the caption to the picture of David Guetta refers to him as a disc jokey -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:46, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude I changed it to DJ. — Tomíca(T2ME) 09:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A whole month has gone and everything else seems to have been addressed. Erick (talk) 19:28, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've read this through and can't find any issues with it Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:20, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Please check that hiding the writers as you have done complies with WP:ACCESS, i.e. that screen-reader software is able to correctly parse the information in the table. Articles must comply with this to be considered suitable to be featured.
  • Image captions that are complete sentences need a full stop.
  • First sentence is a little clunky with "and she has", perhaps just ", and has ..."
  • "Who You Are (2011).[2]" would be better as "'Who You Are in 2011."
  • "She co-wrote every ..." count the number of "and"'s in that sentence... reorganisation needed.
  • Disc jockey isn't hyphenated.
  • Morrison can easily be regarded as a singer-songwriter.
  • " song penned by the songwriter Diane Warren" I would add "American" here.
  • " an "accomplished pop record", as described by Lewis Corner, a Digital Spy critic." would be better as "described by Digital Spy critic Lewis Corner as "an accomplished pop record".
  • "She has also collaborated with Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins that resulted with co-writing..." this is missing something.
  • In the Other performers column, what does N/A mean? None?
  • L.O.V.E. is in the wrong initial order (it moves on the first sort which it shouldn't).
  • You're using two types of N/A in the table, one with grey text and a grey background for the Other performers, one with a plain background and plain text for Originating album.
  • Note a: what does "contains an interpolation" mean? Is there a suitable wikilink for "interpolation" in this context?
  • Check reference titles for en-dash violation, e.g. ref 18 needs to use spaced en-dashes, not hyphens.

So, plenty to fix, and an oppose until we sort out the accessibility concerns. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose (for now). I am inclined to agree with The Rambling Man that this article is not quite yet up to FL standard.

  • The main problem for me is the prose; a lot of it just says the same thing many, many times. It feels like almost every sentence is about a particular song, who wrote it, and for which record ("She worked with this artist on this song, then she worked with this artist on this song, then she worked with this artist on this song, etc.). Surely there must be more to say about the sum total of Jessie J's output? Right at the very end, you mention how she sings about "self-empowerment" on one song. That's kind of interesting – what other themes does she discuss in her lyrics? Have those themes changed over the course of three albums? What about musical genres? What sort of genres does she explore? Is it all pop-soul and R&B? What have the critics had to say about her songs? According to Metacritic, it would seem that they didn't think much of Who You Are. What about, say, where the songs were recorded, and when? Were any songs recorded for one album but then included in a later one? This is all stuff that it could be worth exploring and explaining in the lead.
  • Some of the prose is a little unclear. For example, "She co-wrote every song on the album in addition to her work with other songwriters and producers" doesn't seem like the most intuitive way to get this point across. If she co-wrote every song, then obviously she would've had to have worked with some other songwriters, otherwise you'd be saying that she wrote every song on her own.
  • I do think this article could benefit from a thorough copy-edit. I'm seeing comma and quotation marks where they shouldn't be (e.g. "well as, "Abracadabra".") and not seeing them where they should be (e.g. "You Are, in 2011" and "pop record".[7]").
  • As I understand it, citation markers (e.g. [1], [3], [10]) need to be moved to after the next comma or full stop.
  • Every image caption (except the one of Jessie J) needs a terminating full stop.
  • Some of the artists in the "Other performer(s)" column need to sort under their surnames.
  • The J and O links in the Contents box don't lead anywhere.
  • Jessie J discography is already linked in the navbox at the bottom, so doesn't need to be included in the See Also section.
  • Spaced em dash ( — ) needs to be a spaced en dash ( – ).

I think this article still needs a lot of work done to it, and I wish the participating editors all the best in improving it. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • No I won't. I lost interest in this list, especially after those comments above. I don't even agree with most of them. — Tomíca(T2ME) 13:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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