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The list was promoted by Giants2008 01:10, 29 June 2015 [1].

List of songs recorded by Ariana Grande edit

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Nominator(s):  — Calvin999 08:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I've applied comments from the previously archived nomination and carried out further edits. I've done all that was asked previously by editors. The lead and table follows the same style and layout as previous nominations of mine, all of which passed, so I feel as though this list, even more so now than before, meets FLC criteria.  — Calvin999 08:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Participation Guide
Support
FrB.TG, Markhoris, Prashant!, Azealia911
Comments/No vote yet
Seattle
Oppose
None
Second editor
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Resolved comments from FrankBoy CHITCHAT 11:04, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Image caption, (pictured) is not needed (barring in Nicki's and Katy's as their captions have several names) as it is pretty obvious that it's them pictured. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 11:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've removed them.  — Calvin999 11:48, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is Katy Perry's image caption in italics?
    • Oh that was just where I'd left two apostrophes there. I've removed them.  — Calvin999 16:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is it that you have only repeated the links in "Originating album" and not in "Artist(s)" and "Writer(s)"? -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 13:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you're only referring to why Ariana Grande isn't linked every time, it's because the article is about her, as such, as it's pointless to link her name every time. All album titles are linked because depending on how you sort, the only linked one may not always be at the top otherwise.  — Calvin999 16:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh it's sortable. Then it's okay. I am facing some problems with the table that's why I thought it is not appropriate to link every time. Anyways I will try to look at it, and will probably leave some more comments if any. In the meanwhile if you can look at my nom. It's okay if you are not comfortable with the topic. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 17:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Okay. Sure I'll take a look.  — Calvin999 18:23, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with minor comment. For "Put Your Hearts up" would it be worth substituting "Single release only" with {{N/A|Non-album sinlge}} like standard discograpy pages? Understandably, this isn't a discography page, but it seems neater to me, and doesn't cause any issues when column is sorted. Purely optional though, support either way. Azealia911 talk 20:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I've changed it so its the template.  — Calvin999 20:52, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Everything seems to be in accordance with the featured list criteria (completeness, accuracy, etc). --Markhoris (talk) 06:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you.  — Calvin999 07:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I love her songs. And, this list is well-written and informative. Good job—Prashant 13:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks.  — Calvin999 15:20, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Seattle (talk) 17:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Artists should sort by last name, not first; Big Sean, for instance, should sort below Ariana Grande
    • I completely agree, but some editors told me not to do that in the previous nomination.  — Calvin999 07:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ariana Grande's name should be linked throughout the "Artist" section of the table
    • No it doesn't, because of WP:OVERLINK. None of my previous nominations have ever linked every instance of the primary artist.  — Calvin999
  • Go through the table to ensure all non-linked songs don't have articles
  • in 2011 when she contributed to the soundtrack "contributed" is too vague; what did she actually do?
  • Grande later revealed that she did not like how it why wouldn't she like if it was aimed at children? No context in article
  • Can you link "extended play"?
  • 1990s R&B influenced → 1990s-R&B-influenced
  • The phrase "more mature" never appears in the citation to which it's referenced...
  • determined Grande as an artist who performs dance, pop and soul music awkward use of "determined"
  • "Break Free" is an EDM expand the abbreviation on first use
  • Refs use both "iTunes Store, Apple" and "iTunes Store. Apple." Seattle (talk) 07:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per my unresolved comments. Seattle (talk) 21:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seattle, the singer's names are all sorting by surname and always have since the previous nomination (check the templates in the table for yourself), and I won't WP:OVERLINK Grande's name because you're not supposed to (so you're going against guidelines), so I don't see how your oppose is justifiable?  — Calvin999 09:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • (1). You haven't addressed three of my original comments. (2). You've introduced new errors with the comments you have addressed, such as the inappropriate caps on electronic dance music and the abbreviation of extended play to EP. (3). OVERLINK specifies: "Consider including links where readers might want to use them; for example, in article leads, at the openings of new sections, in the cells of tables, and in image captions" (emphasis mine); I don't see how readers wouldn't benefit from links to Grande's article throughout the table. Seattle (talk) 18:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seattle I don't see how linking Ariana Grande 41 times is beneficial? It is linked in the lead, all of the songs obviously feature Grande with links to her bio, same with the albums, there are templates at the bottom of the article with links to her bio. I've removed the caps from EDM, and removed the abbr. of EP. You haven't addressed that all of the names do sort by surname.  — Calvin999 08:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Calvin. Linking Grande in her own page that too over 41 times? Don't think it's a good idea. She is linked in the lead, which I think is enough. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 13:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delegate comment- two points: I was the one who told Calvin999 in the last nomination that "Big Sean", as a stage name rather than a real name, should sort by "B", not "S"- "Big" isn't a first name. The only instance of those names I find questionable is whether Iggy Azalea should sort by A or I; currently it's I. Second: while the usual standard is to link every instance of something in a sortable table, since various different rows can come up first depending on how you sort the table/if new additions are made to the table, I think that it's a reasonable exception to say that Grande is linked in the lead, and the list is about her, so you can skip linking her at all in the table. Not because there's 41 of them, but just because it's not a likely link for readers to want to click, as opposed to an artist that the list isn't about. --PresN 02:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iggy Azalea is irrelevant here. It's Ariana Grande featuring Iggy Azalea, so the template says Grande, Ariana featuring Iggy Azalea.  — Calvin999 07:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, Iggy Azalea sorts after "featuring Elizabeth Gillies" and before "featuring Mac Miller"; if it sorted by "A" instead of "I", it would sort as the first "featuring" song. Seattle (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, because 'I' is after 'E' in the alphabet, and before 'M', so that makes complete sense for Iggy to sort after Elizabeth and after Mac. Not sure how you are working it to not make sense.  — Calvin999 19:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, that's not a direct response to the question. It makes a difference if Iggy Azalea sorts under "I" or "A"; it's not "irrelevant". Seattle (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • PresN's exception to the linking rule seems reasonable for the list. My unaddressed comments, copied from above:
  • I said the same, but clearly me telling you wasn't good enough..  — Calvin999 07:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, you told me that linking Grande's name 41 times in a table wasn't beneficial; PresN's rational was because this list represents a subpage of Grande, "[n]ot because there's 41 [table links]". That's different. What's the difference between "featuring", "with", and "and" in the table? Seattle (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, I also said "It is linked in the lead, all of the songs obviously feature Grande with links to her bio, same with the albums, there are templates at the bottom of the article with links to her bio." So I was also saying that this is a subpage and that there are multiple links to her bio.  — Calvin999 19:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Grande later revealed that she did not like how it why wouldn't she like if it was aimed at children? No context in article
    • It's a song which was supposed to be the lead single from her debut album, but it was scrapped as a lead single in favour of giving Grande more freedom, which I say.  — Calvin999 07:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've given an overview of her musical career, that is what the lead is supposed to be doing and what I was asked in the previous nomination to pay more attention to. I'm saying what happened in between her being on the Victorious soundtracks and her debut album, and why she was given more control for her debut.  — Calvin999 19:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Go through the table to ensure all non-linked songs don't have articles
  • The phrase "more mature" never appears in the citation to which it's referenced.... Seattle (talk) 06:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC
    • Show me where this is in the article please.  — Calvin999 07:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "blue" in the "TBA" cell mean? Seattle (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'To be announced', meaning that the title of the album hasn't been announced but the album is slated for release... It's a pre-coded template, so I can't help that who created template made it blue, not that it really matters. There's no issue with singles being purple (which I was asked to do last time).  — Calvin999 19:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the difference between "featuring", "with", and "and" in the table?
    • That's how they are credited.  — Calvin999 17:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2011 Grande also began to work an independent artist missing an "as". Seattle (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added.
    • I've done all that you asked.  — Calvin999 17:43, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Additional comments from Azealia911

Sorry to add more to the shitpile of comments on this thread, some of which seem incredibly unnecessary I might add. But there's a couple of things I've noticed that have been added that may need addressing.

  • "Snow in California" seems to be the only song from Christmas Kisses to not be indicated as a single, yet it was one.1
  • New version of "All My Love" needs source.
    • I'd remove the new version of "All My Love" considering Grande provides nothing new to the song. It's just an alternate version of the original song. Consider adding Peace Is the Mission to the album column as a compromise though.
  • {{TBA}} could be expanded to {{TBA|To be announced}} for "Adore" considering space permits, and to avoid users (even seemingly experienced editors like the one above) from getting confused.
  • I'd fill in {{N/A}} for "Pink Champagne" like you did with "Put Your Hearts Up" Maybe to {{N/A|None}} or {{N/A|Non-album song}} considering it's not a single. I'd also remove the YouTube ref, the BMI link seems solid enough on its own.
  • "Popular Song" (Remix) Since when is it a remix?
  • All the references seem to be booklet notes, are there no other references accessible to those without Grande's CD's/music that could be added instead? I understand that that may be a tough one especially concerning writing credits, so it's optional I guess.
  • "Intro" could link to Intro (music)
  • Would it be worth adding promotional singles to the key?
  • What about the cut version of "Don't Be Gone Too Long" with Chris Brown?

Temporarily striking support, changing to no vote while comments are addressed. I don't imagine it'll take long for you to fix all though. Azealia911 talk 16:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • I will get to these on Sunday. I won't be online from now until then.  — Calvin999 09:34, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks. I've done them. Has "Don't Be Gone Too Long" been released?  — Calvin999 17:41, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know the video has, maybe that's entirely different, if so, leave it. There was a dagger added to Snow In California, needs purple-ing. re-Supporting. Azealia911 talk 17:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks.  — Calvin999 11:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This has been open for three and a half weeks now. 4 supports, 0 opposes, all comments have been addressed, so can something be done please?!  — Calvin999 11:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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