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The list was promoted by Crisco 1492 13:20, 17 April 2015 [1].

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Nominator(s): SchroCat (talk) 14:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Laurence Olivier was a superlative actor who was—alongside Ralph Richardson and John Gielgud—one of the finest of his generation. He was a huge presence on the stage, in film and in theatrical management – and he was active in radio and on television too. For all his endeavours awards and laurels were heaped upon him This list has had a major makeover recently, in line with the Olivier article itself (which is now FA-rated), and his career history (now FL-rated). All thoughts and comments are welcome. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 14:52, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – To declare a peripheral interest, I was co-nom with SchroCat of the FA biography of Olivier, but this upgrade is purely SchroCat's work, and I feel I can in all propriety comment. The page meets all the FL criteria, in my view. (Incidentally, what a huge haul of gongs! It brings it home what an impact Olivier had.) Tim riley talk 10:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many thanks Tim - Very much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 10:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • So, the title is "awards and nominations", pretty straightforward, then the infobox has "List of Laurence Olivier's major awards" as its title, with "Wins" and "Nominations" as the column headings. Hmmm. I'm always a little disappointed by our inconsistencies in this kind of list. Can we align?
  • Probably would be nice to have a little caption to explain when and where that charming picture of Lozza was taken.
  • "had considerable success" reads a little clumsy to me, not sure why, but perhaps "saw" or something else rather than just "had".
  • "in Wuthering Heights in" probably worth stating that this was a film role.
  • "There were Oscar nominations for the film" not keen again, but personal preference. I would say "The film was nominated for ...."
  • "but it won none" again, just reads a little clunky, maybe "failed to win".
  • Shouldn't " Evening Standard Awards" look like " Evening Standard Awards"?
  • Evening Standard Awards makes it into the lead but not the infobox... I wonder if you should be consistent there too, to describe only the "major" awards in both lead and infobox? What qualifies as "Major"?"
  • There's a paragraph on his appointments and foreign honours, this isn't then covered in the list. I would expect to see it expanded upon in a table in the list if it's given such prominence in the lead.
  • What is BFI?
  • Looks like 13 Academy noms per the table, not 11 per the infobox.
  • Aha, I see it now. Some people would have 13 noms and 2 wins, not 11 noms and 2 wins because you'd need a nom to have a win. Just thinking out loud.
  • Why would "Honorary Awards" not be simply "Honorary awards"? No need for the over-caps.
  • I would expect the 6th Berlin item to sort after the Academy awards, i.e. ignoring the "6th".
  • "Outstanding Lead Actor - Miniseries or a Movie" etc, should all use an en-dash.
  • "Laurence Olivier, with Joan Plowright in The Entertainer on Broadway in 1958." suddenly the full name, linked, and a full stop appears in this caption. Be consistent in the captions.
  • Minor issue: the phrase "Oscar" is used thrice without any real clue as to what it means. To 95% of us it's obvious, but hey....
  • I've swapped them all out for AA now - SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you're making sure all online sources are consistently referenced, I'd make sure they have an accessdate, e.g. ref 1...
  • I don't think it's needed as it's got the date of the article there instead - SchroCat (talk) 21:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise an excellent list. Now please feel free to review one of the many Boat Race good article nominations with such gusto! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Cheers RM! Part done, and I'll finish the rest in the morning. Thanks again - SchroCat (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers The Rambling Man, all now sorted, I think! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many thanks RM, your thoughts are, as always, much appreciated. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:18, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 17:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment Great effort on this. My query was on some missing awards that are present on his IMDb. [[2]] The organisations have articles on wiki so presumably have some notability: Banff Television Festival, Bodil Award, CableACE Award, David di Donatello Awards, Jussi Award, Saturn Award, Film Society of Lincoln Center, Nastro d'Argento, Karlovy Vary International Film Festival, Kinema Junpo, and National Society of Film Critics. The New York Film Critics awards only include the ones which he won but he has apparently placed in four other years. Cowlibob (talk) 19:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for these. I only included the awards and nominations that came out of the reliable sources, which tend to ignore the minor pointless ones (like these). I'll dig around for reliable sources that list these ones too and add if I can find something suitable. Cheers - SchroCat (talk)
If there aren't reliable sources then we can skip them. Secondary would be ideal but if they aren't available this primary source should do for some of the obscure ones. [3] Cowlibob (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added what I can from the sources, and the link you provided. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support An excellent list, most resourceful.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:42, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Looks good overall.
  • What's the source for the two quotes in the Film table? I don't see them on the Oscars site.
  • You probably needn't describe Wuthering Heights as "the 1939 film" in the second picture caption, as it's already described as such in the caption immediately above it.
  • Why are the images of the statue and the Hollywood Walk of Fame grouped together like that? It's put them in the awkward situation of being slightly narrower than all the other images.
  • Spaced hyphen needs to be a spaced en dash.

Might have one or two more thoughts over the next day or two. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your thoughts, which I think I've dealt with, but let me know if I've missed anything. - SchroCat (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps "Category" in the Film table should be changed to, say, "Notes", given how not all of them are categories.
  • I've tweaked to show the categories of the two that weren't before. (Done to retain the sort facility on the column, which wouldn't be used on the notes column). - SchroCat (talk) 11:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, having had another look at that column, it seems like there are a couple of entries that wouldn't strictly be categories. Presumably "Golden Lion" would be the actual award, and "Best Film" would be its associated category. Ditto for the Silver Bear and the Silver Ribbon. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Award for Best Actor" -> "Best Actor", to keep them in line with the rest of the table
  • The lead seems good. The only thought I had is whether it's actually necessary to mention his work in radio, given how he was never awarded nor nominated for it. In Laurence Olivier on stage and screen it's obviously important because there is an entire section devoted to the medium, but here that part of the sentence doesn't seem entirely relevant.
  • I also think it might be worth just very, very briefly mentioning somewhere what the Sonning Prize is actually for. It's hardly a well known accolade, and, coming immediately after the sentence on his honourary doctorates, I wondered whether it was some kind of academic honour, but apparently it's an award for contributions to "European culture". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, the last one done too. Thanks for tha additional points - SchroCat (talk) 19:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for your comments - all now much improved. - SchroCat (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for taking the time to look through this. - SchroCat (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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