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List of awards and nominations received by Bradley Cooper

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Nominator(s): Famous Hobo (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Participation Guide
Support
FrB.TG, SNUGGUMS, Giants2008
Comments/No vote
Miyagawa, Nergaal
Oppose

So my last FLC didn't go so well, and I'm hoping this one will even things out. There's not a whole lot to say about the list, aside from the fact that I used List of awards and nominations received by Leonardo DiCaprio as a role model (as you might quickly notice). It also received a  Direct nomination in it's peer review, which I didn't even know was a thing, so that's pretty cool. Anyway, that's all I have to say, so have at it. Famous Hobo (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Frankie talk

Comments by FrB.TG This award is missing from the list. Added. The official title of the award is really long, so I had to break it into two lines. The nomination numbers have also been updated throughout the article Could you replace cult classic with cult film as "classic" is a bit odd word for a 2001 film although I know it's a common term for a film with cult status. Done Us Weekly is an unreliable source. Replaced both instances Could we not have the name of his character from The Hangover as it isn't a part of any literature nor a character of historic significance. Done I don't see how noms like Favorite Action Star, Choice Movie Actor: Drama etc are "minor nominations". Removed minor "Cooper began 2012 with a minor nomination" – I really don't understand the meaning of "minor nomination". I mean a nomination is a nomination be that Best Actor from the Oscars or Best Cameo from a newly established award. Replaced minor with Teen Choice Award. In my opinion, it's just unnecessary to have the total awards and nominations of his films; you can just have the total number of nominations he has received. Removed the total number of awards, but still kept the links as they seemed important enough for both films. If you're still not a fan of them, I can remove them entirely It's just that it's not my writing style but that does not mean I demand for everything I like. I think it's helpful. "Much like Silver Linings Playbook, the film was a critical success" Removed Can you also add that he received Best Picture nomination for American Sniper in the lead as it was his first? Added It's ironic to say (considering that my own list uses the same ref for the info) but ref 80 doesn't support the claim made, nowhere does it say anything about being voted by people aged between 13 and 19. However, this source does. Replaced, although looking at the source, I don't see mentions of 13 or 19. I just said screw it, and removed the ages, as teens should be a good enough description. 13 and 19 is indeed unnecessary but isn't that obvious that the teenage years are from 13 to 19? Anyway, I am happy with the change. Use en-dash instead of hyphen in references' titles—ref 1, 2.2, 5, 85. Done, though not for ref 1, as that was the Us Magazine ref that was replaced I am happy to see a list based on DiCaprio's accolades for obvious reasons. Note that I have also done spot check for sources. In addition I see that you are an amazing source reviewer. I will be forever in your debt, if you spot check my ongoing FAC, which is all it needs now. -- Frankie talk 16:23, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Wow, thanks for the quick comments. I'll look those over soon. As for your FAC FrB.TG, I'll be happy to look it over, but it seems as though it already has a spot check from Johanna (unless spot checks and source reviews are different. If they, my apologies). Famous Hobo (talk) 19:28, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Sure it does but Johanna has done source review for reliability not whether they match the info in the article. Besides I've been suggested by a user for spot-check. I only asked as I saw your review in a nomination I thought was quite nice. You can of course ignore it if you don't feel like doing. An example. -- Frankie talk 19:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Alright, all comments have been address. Also, thanks for clearing up my confusion towards your FAC, will look at it soon. Famous Hobo (talk) 23:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC) Some more: Nowhere in the ref 1 is there that Cooper made his debut with Wet Hot American Summer. Whoops, thought it did for some reason. Anyway, it was surprisingly hard to find any reliable site mentioning it was his film debut, but I finally found a brief mention in a Tech Insider article, which is good enough for me "his performance as the severely deformed Joseph Merrick in the Broadway revival The Elephant Man garnered him more recognition" Added It's not very clear which film he was nominated for (Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play) as in the preceding sentence there are several films. Add something like "His performance in the latter" if you like. Done Again, they are the same in my list but you do not need to introduce initials like AACTA and AMPAS as they are used only on their first instances. Removed both I saw that after adding the missing award you de-linked Jennifer Lawrence in the later part of the list to avoid WP:OVERLINKING. Like I did some minor formatting with this edit. Revert if you disagree. Thanks for the edit Avoid WP:SHOUTING in references. Removed both instances (or at least the two instances I could see) You're kind of overdoer (I don't know if it's a term :D) as to when you're linking the publisher in refs; usually you do it on the earliest instance, but sometimes you repeat the link (Los Angeles Times, The Daily Telegraph). It's not a big deal, but you should be consistent. -- Frankie talk 08:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for pointing those out, not sure how I missed those two Alright, another set of comments have been addressed. Famous Hobo (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• Support after an exhaustive review. Note that I have also done spot checks in the above comments. -- Frankie _talk 16:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• Why are there 2-+ sections instead of 1-2 tables? Nergaal (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean why is this table formatted with each award getting its own section as opposed to what List of awards and nominations received by Laurence Olivier does? If that's the case, then that's personally how I like it. That's also how the DiCaprio list formats it, which I used as a model. If that's not what you were asking, then my apologies. I'm still "relatively" new to lists, and the formatting is still pretty annoying to understand. Famous Hobo (talk) 21:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, there are 20+ sections which seems a bit much. Is there a guideline in WP:TV suggesting that this format is better than one with merged tables? At some point I worked on List of accolades received by House which has the lesser-importance awards merged. Nergaal (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

@Nergaal: Sorry for the late response. While I do agree that the section do become extreme after a while, that's just how most awards and nominations lists are formatted. For example, for actors (Leonardo DiCaprio, Vidya Balan, Priyanka Chopra) and musicians (Taylor Swift, John Legend, Lady Gaga). In particular, Lady Gaga has over 75 sections. As for WP:TV, I couldn't find anything regarding formats for awards lists, but then again I may not have looked hard enough. Famous Hobo (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same question. I'm not sure why personal awards lists have evolved like that - specifically actors. When I worked up List of awards and nominations received by Gene Roddenberry (nominated elsewhere) it didn't even occur to me to split the table up. Admittedly that's a much shorter table - but I have started messing around with List of awards and nominations received by William Shatner which features a much longer table (also doesn't have the military/civilian table split that the Roddenberry one does, also it's very much under development, I need to fix those red links and replace all the inherited IMDB citations). It's the same with film/TV - for some reason the lists use one big table, and the TV ones use multiple little tables. I'd say it was the multiple years, but certainly with the couple I did, the trailers and home media releases caused awards to be won in years other than the year of theatrical release. But like Famous Hobo says, I don't think there is a specific design used and it'll simply be up to what any individual editor thinks is the best representation of the information. Miyagawa (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

If we're going of personal preference, then I really like this style where each award is given it's own section. While it may be a nightmare for mobile users, I like this design because it specifies what each award is about, and with individual sections, a user won't have to scroll through dozens of random awards to see a specific award, like the Tony Awards or the Academy Awards. By the way Miyagawa, nice subtle promotion of your FLC, I can do a source review if you need one. Famous Hobo (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I hadn't intended to hint, but I figured what the hey, I might as well drop it in there! Miyagawa (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SNUGGUMS

Remove the colon from "nominations include:" Done "That same year however, Cooper also won a Golden Raspberry Award" → "However, Cooper also won a Golden Raspberry Award that same year" Done I'd say it's worth mentioning the following in the lead: His BAFTA and Golden Globe noms His MTV Movie Awards for "Best Male Performance" in Silver Linings Playbook and American Sniper His SAG win for American Hustle His Satellite Award for Silver Linings Playbook While I do agree that the major films should include more than just the Academy Award nominations, I think that the lead will get a bit excessive and cluttered by adding in all of those nominations. I'll see what I can do. Remove the comma from "he starred in, and co-produced" Done Given that this is an accolades page, is it possible to include a pic of Cooper attending some sort of awards-related event? The only free image I could find of Cooper at an awards ceremony is this one at the 2013 Golden Globes, but personally I'm not a big fan of it since it just looks ... weird. Again, that's my opinion, and I like the lead image as is (not often you can get a direct facial shot like that), but if you like the new image, I can switch it out. In Ref#19 "Critics’ Choice Movie Awards 2013: The Complete Winners List" should be "Critics' Choice Movie Awards 2013: The Complete Winners List" per MOS:QUOTEMARKS Done, I'm impressed you managed to spot that. Looks pretty good so far. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC) Thanks for the comments, working on the big one right now. Famous Hobo (talk) 04:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC) @SNUGGUMS:, I finally took care of your comments. I didn't include every single major award in the lead, but I think you'll like the changes. Famous Hobo (talk) 02:16, 7 April 2016 (UTC) Looking better. I'd say go with the Golden Globes pic for now, which of course can be replaced with a direct facial shot at an awards-related event if it comes in the future. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC) Done Famous Hobo (talk) 02:46, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll now support. Good work. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

@Famous Hobo: Perhaps invite one editor to comment? I really wouldn't want to see this archived due to lack of participation. FrB.TG (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Comments – Small one, but in international English is it common to have "super hero" be two words? Here in the U.S., we usually just say "superhero", although I accept that variations are possible. As someone who lives in Arizona, I'm not sure how I let that one get through, whoops... "Although Cooper's roles in the 2015 films Aloha and Joy earned him two additional nominations, his performance as the severely deformed Joseph Merrick in the Broadway revival The Elephant Man garnered him more recognition." Remove second "him"? That would help the sentence make more sense, as it's saying the latter role was more acclaimed. Done "His performance in The Elephant Man landed him four nominations, including a Tony Award for Best Actor in a Play." The latter part of the sentence makes it sound like he won the award, which I don't think was the intent. There are a few phrasings like this in the lead, and I'd like to see something done about them if possible. They are particularly noticeable in the Silver Linings Playbook and American Hustle nom sentences. I've done my best at distinguishing that they were just nominations. Hopefully they're up to your standards. Independent Spirit Awards: "The Independent Spirit Awards are presented annually by Film Independent, to award best in the independent film community." Needs "the" before "best". Done Same goes for Irish Film & Television Academy. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC) Done @Giants2008: Procrastinated on this set of comments long enough, so here you go. Thanks for the comments BTW! Famous Hobo (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support – Now that the issues above have been taken care of, I'm convinced that the list meets the FL criteria. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Source review

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• Formatting: clean
• Anything missing: looks good!

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