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List of World Snooker Championship winners edit

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Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it is complete. The World Snooker Championship has run for almost 100 years, and the list is well cited and covers all the winners, locations and tournaments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MWright96
  • "and is chronologically the third of the three Triple Crown events of the season since 1977–78," - some words are missing at the end of the word highlighted in bold
  • Wikilink knock-out tournament format to the appropriate article
  • Think it might be appropriate to include the name of the oldest and youngest world champions and include the ages they were when they set those records
  • The first table is missing the scope="col" in the columns
  • Every single one of the players names in the winner and runner-up columns in the champions table need to made sortable like this Joe Davis|ENG}} etc.
    • Due to the way we have both links and a template, I'm planning to use data-sort-value="" instead. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have now done this. Must admit, it was a bit odd typing Ali Carter, Peter Ebdon, Graeme Dott, Rex Williams all more times than Neil Robertson! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The multiple champions table can be made sortable and the players' names can be sorted with the template mentioned in the above point
  • The key for the second table might be better off placed above not below
  • The source to verify Mark Selby's WSC victories needs replacing with a more up-to-date citation mentioning all four years he won the title
  • An extra source is needed to verify that Alex Higgins died on 24 July 2010 since the 1982 The Guardian source won't contain that fact since it was printed 28 years before the fact
  • The first note "Due to World War II" needs an full stop to complete it
  • Notes D and E are duplicates of each other and can be merged to create a single one
  • Reference 10 "Professional Snooker". Billiards and Snooker. No. January 1964. the Billiards Association and Control Council. p. 13.)" does not need the closing bracket at the end of it
  • Reference 18 "Higgins beats Trump to win title" is missing the date it was published
  • Similiar problem with Reference 20 "Williams wins world title for third time"
  • Same issue with Reference 21 "Then and Now: John Spencer"

That is all I found on a first pass MWright96 (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Nice work MWright96 (talk) 06:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment (will come back for more later)
  • In the key, the two rows for knock-out tournament don't have symbols, and the colours are pretty much completely indistinguishable (at least to my ageing eyes) so there's no way to differentiate between them in the table -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've added a more vibrant colour that I nicked from WP:COLOUR. I'm pretty bad at knowing what looks good, so hopefully this covers your fears. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • Per MOS:AMPERSAND, the ampersands in the image captions should be replaced with the word "and"
  • "The most successful player at the World Snooker Championship was Joe Davis" => "The most successful player at the World Snooker Championship is Joe Davis"
  • World Snooker Championship wikilinked twice in very close succession under the Champions heading
  • There's a stray double curly bracket on one of the 1965 rows
  • In the Multiple Champions table, why is there "hover over" text on the country names which simply repeats the country name?
  • Note a is not a complete sentence so doesn't need a full stop
  • Think that's all I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass edit

Comments below. Aza24 (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Version reviewed: [2]
Formatting
  • You link Everton in ref 11 but not 1, would recommend both
  • You should probably run this on your list; up to you whether you want to convert ISBN 10s to 13, but at the least they should all be dashed correctly
  • It's a little odd to have the work for ref 2 but then the website for ref 3 when they're both news sources—presumably some link to BBC news should be included in the latter (and in ref 16)
  • presumably "Snooker.org" should be in a parameter that italicized it, like the other websites you've cited
  • Hmm, for ref 9, you might consider physically bundling the refs, such as in Taylor Swift refs 127 and 159. This is certainly optional though
    • I could, but we use some of the refs in other places, I'd rather do this, than duplicate a ref Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Guinness Superlatives vs Guinness Superlatives Ltd
  • formatting for refs 7 and 15 is different even though they are the same site
Reliability
  • Seems fine in general. Sources that might not be considered the highest quality are citing only statistical information.
Verifiability
  • checked a few, no issues. Aza24 (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Aza24, just to check, were you happy with the above? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the ping, I seem to have missed this, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dank edit

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
  • All this is assuming MWright winds up supporting; I'll check back.
  • Even though the first table is only meant as a key, I've added {{sronly|Format}}.
  • I think I'd link Camkin's Hall to Bill Camkin#Camkin's Hall.
    • I don't really want to fix that redirect. There is a likelyhood I will make an article for Camkin's Hall one day Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the "Multiple time Snooker World Championship winners" table, the Ref column should be unsortable. It wouldn't bother me if the Status column were unsortable, but if you're going to make it sortable, it shouldn't give the wrong chronological sort order.
  • Otherwise, looking at the FLC criteria:
  • 1. You've got solid prose supports; that works for me. The coding at the top of the tables seems fine. I checked sorting on all columns and sampled the links in the tables.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. The article is well-sourced to reliable sources, and the UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems (but this isn't a source review). All relevant retrieval dates are present.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements. At a glance, the images seem fine.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • Close enough for a support. Well done. - Dank (push to talk) 01:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM edit

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*"The World Snooker Championship Trophy" trophy doesn't need capitalisation.
  • "currently organises" see MOS:CURRENT.
    • Sure, but I don't want to say they run the event, as they didn't in the past. I think the lede particularly needs to comment on who is now running the tournament. It's not like this is going to change suddenly.
  • "except for a few years " bit vague.
  • "Below is a list of winners of the World Snooker Championship" unnecessary.
    • I like having the refs of the table in prose, but I've moved to the header. Personally, I think it looks worse, but whatever. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Confusing to use two daggers just slightly different in appearance.
  • The symbols are in parentheses in the key apart from the diamond one.
  • Link bye.
  • What exactly do you mean by a "challenge format"?
  • "Lounge Hall, Nottingham and Kettering" two places called Lounge Hall in separate locations?
  • St Helier/South Africa, no more details on where in those locations the events were held?
    • The South Africa places were held in over 50 matches of seven frames each. It's likely there were more than 20 locations for the two matches
  • Probably worth noting that the 1975 edition was in Australia, not Melbourne, Derbyshire...
  • You don't mention that the score is in frames (but you do mention when it's not....)
    • Do we need to explicitly state this? That's like saying that a football match was measured in goals. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • You could do a nationality summary table too.
  • Where is "active" status referenced?
  • Why the small text for the dates of death?
  • "sidestake of £50 " what's that? Consider inflating.
  • Ref 1, Everton can be linked.
    • I don't like linking the refs to anything other than the links and archive links (or like an ISBN). I think it clouds someone trying to find the actual source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 3 publisher is BBC News.
  • Ref 10, what does "No. January 1964" mean?
  • Ref 16 is BBC Sport.
  • So is ref 18.
  • So is ref 20.
  • Why not just Eurosport for 19 and 21?
  • Ref 22, Rawling can be linked.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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