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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:44, 4 October 2008 [1].

List of Toronto Blue Jays Opening Day starting pitchers edit

I am right now going straight to a featured list nomination, and skipping the peer review, since I know this article is ready for this process. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 02:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I see that a template is used to pipe specific game seasons into a solitary year. This is deprecated by some WikiProjects, rightly so, since most readers will pass over solitary blue years, thinking they're of the useless type. I tried to change the piping to more than just the year ("the 1990 season", I think I used), but it turned red. Does this template make it impossible to do so? Tony (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So what do you want me to do, since the template is impossible to pipe more than just the year? -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 04:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - article looks very good. The only problem I have with it however is the format of the references. All other Opening Day starting pitcher articles have a reference column in the table, which I think is better and more specific than just having a list of "General References" at the bottom. Obviously this isn't set in stone and I'm interested in your opinion of the matter. Besides that however, the article looks great and I'll vote "support" after the reference thing is addressed. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at all my other featured list nominations, you'll se that most of them use that arrangement for references. I know I only used approx. 5 (not looking at my article) references, but I still think it has all the WP:FL? criteria. I hope this issue won't be such a huge problem. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 22:52, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Consistency it might be better to put the references in the table. If you'd like I'll help with that, but since all the other Opening Day starting pitcher articles do that, it would probably be best if this did too. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 23:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Go right ahead. I have homework to do. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 02:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've redone the refs. Once you add them to the opening paragraph so everything is cited, I will change by opinion to support. --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need the refs on the prose because the refs are already on the table. Even ask The Rambling Man. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 00:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My fault, I misinterpreted that part of the MOS. One more thing though: in the lead it says "The Blue Jays are the first and only team outside the United States to win a World Series, and the first team to win a World Series in Canada". Is that neccesary for an article on Opening Day pitchers, and if you believe it is, the second part of the sentence should be deleted, as it is already explained by the first part. I will go ahead and change my vote to Support, because I trust that you will make that change. Good luck! --Mr.crabby (Talk) 02:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 05:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support but you should fix...

  • Year heading in table would be better as Season since you pipe link to the seasons from them.
  • "and 14 no decisions" I count 8?
  • "all of which were pitched on the " both?

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DONE ALL! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 19:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The 18 starters have a combined Opening Day record of 11 wins, 13 losses and 8 no decisions. No decisions are only awarded to the starting pitcher if the game is won or lost after the starting pitcher has left the game." I know it's wikilinked, but it doesn't help people reading a paper copy, or those who don't wish to navigate away from the page. WP:PCR. It's all a little jargony for the non-baseballer. For example, "11 wins, 13 losses and 8 no decisions" is this how many games were won, or something only the pitcher wins that has no outcome on the game's result?
The article tells you that, "The 18 starters have a combined Opening Day record", which means what it's telling you. I can't think of any other way to say it. -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Blue Jays first ever Opening Day starting pitcher" -- "ever" not needed
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "who got a no decision" not got. "received", "won", I don't know, but got is not encyclopedic tone
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at Exhibition Stadium" is there a need to say this again? It was already said that the first 13 years were played there
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "has an Opening Day record of 2–3." 2 wins vs 3 losses?
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "both of which were pitched on the road." they didn't play on a field?
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Opening Day starting pitchers have a record of 0–1 at Exhibition Stadium" again, as a non baseball fan I don't understand this. I'm guessing it's w-l, but the table shows 3w, 6l, 4ND
'DONE! -- K. Annoyomous24[c] 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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