Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Kansas City Chiefs starting quarterbacks/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 01:14, 29 September 2008 [1].

---

List of Kansas City Chiefs starting quarterbacks

I believe this list is worthy of being featured in Wikipedia. It's the result of very expansive research and effort that I took over several months. I was looking for advice to see if I should add these two sections (number one and number two from the "sister article" History of Kansas City Chiefs quarterbacks. Both articles were originally merged together as one, but now split. Thanks! conman33 (. . .talk) 22:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

• The Chiefs have had a total of thirty quarterbacks start a game in their franchise's 48-year history. - unbold thirty quarterbacks start a game or remove the link in the bold per WP:LEDE.
• The team has also had numerous backup quarterbacks that have stolen the spotlight from the starters. - stolen is POV, reword sentence
• Under Len Dawson, the Texans/Chiefs won three American Football League championships and appeared in two Super Bowl championship games. - needs a transition to say that Dawson is a QB.
• Under Len Dawson, the Texans/Chiefs won three American Football League championships and appeared in two Super Bowl championship games. Dawson was named Most Valuable Player following the Chiefs' victory in Super Bowl IV. Dawson played a total of thirteen seasons with Kansas City and retired with many franchise records. The Chiefs achieved success under many veteran quarterbacks, including Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Elvis Grbac, and Trent Green. - this entire paragraph needs verification.
• I feel the lead can be expanded to state more about the starting quarterbacks, like those who helped the team accomplish something, or simply state the first quarterback, the middle and current QB.
• The table is horrible (sorry to say that but IMO it can do better).
  • For one, the table would benefit by being sortable.
  • Wikilinking the seasons would help.
  • The parenthesis are confusing, it would be better if they just went in chronological order.
  • Why are the seasons in one year format, while there is another in a two year format (i.e 1999 versus 1966-67)
  • The notes or key should be made into table format to make it look more presentable.
  • The quarterbacks column should be renamed to "Quarterback(s)"
  • I think the key would benefit by having colors versus italics and bold font, to make it more easier to distinguish items.
  • I would also make the key into a separate section to squeeze a table of contents.

--S_RX 23:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up

• I unlinked "quarterbacks" in the bolded sentence.
• Reworded "stolen the spotlight" sentence.
• Added transition to say Dawson is a QB
• Changed The Chiefs achieved success under many veteran quarterbacks, including Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Elvis Grbac, and Trent Green. to say that they have had three Hall of Famers play for the team.
• Added info on Cotton Davison, the team's first starter, and mentioned the 2008 season's situation with using three quarterbacks so far. Thigpen will be the next starter on Sunday 9/24 vs. Falcons.
• As for the table, you know you can help me out, right? Thanks for your opinion but I tried my best.
  • Changed to sortable table.
  • Added "Quarterbacks(s)"
  • If you read carefully, you would see that the years (1999 and 1966-1967) are combined for a reason: If a quarterback started all games in consecutive seasons, all consecutively played games are combined in parentheses. I did this because I'm sure if I were to list out every year-by-year, somebody would complain or it would be making the article too long. SCRAPPED
  • Parentheses aren't so confusing when you read The number of games started is listed in small parentheses. and like I said above, if they started consecutive games, the numbers are added together.
  • Added colors to the key: I'm not sure how to highlight a name (say I want to note that Warren Moon is a Hall of Famer, but if I add color to that column in the table, the entire thing will be highlighted. I might just leave out the mention that they are HOFers except for the lead. If readers want to know something like that they can read their respective articles.
  • Moved notes section to new subsection.
  • Lastly: notes or key should be made into table format to make it look more presentable -- how would you recommend this? I'm not sure I get where you're coming from.

Thanks for looking over it. conman33 (. . .talk) 18:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• An image in the lead would be nice
• "The Chiefs have had a total of thirty quarterbacks to start a game" - firstly this does not need to be in bold, and it should be re worded to "The Chiefs have had a total of 30 starting quarterbacks"
• "Three future Hall of Famers played for Kansas City–Dawson," - no need for dash, just use a comma
• "For more information on Chiefs quarterbacks, see History of Kansas City Chiefs quarterbacks." this should be at the top of the page
• The reference should not be sortable to achieve this add class="unsortable" before the reference column
• Years should be centrally aligned, and years should be separate not listed like this: 1966-67
• As the table is sortable everything needs to be linked
• A link to the appropriate season would be nice
• Use the <cod>[[{{{first}}} {{{last}}}|{{{first}}} {{{last}}}]] to sort the names
• Split the references into two columns

Cheers NapHit (talk) 19:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up

• Image of Tyler Thigpen (current starter) added to lead
• "The Chiefs have had a total of thirty quarterbacks to start a game" -- reworded, and unbolded.
• "Three future HOFers" -- added 'including Dawson, Joe Montana..."
• Reference column is now unsortable
• Years are now centrally aligned, all have links to season articles

You haven't centrally aligned the seasons, also the "(s) is not needed, you don't need refs in the images either NapHit (talk) 14:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, I'm not sure what to do with the [[{{{first}}} {{{last}}}|{{{first}}} {{{last}}}]] coding. Got it

Next, by splitting the references, what would you reccommend? I'm not understanding that.

Thanks! conman33 (. . .talk) 20:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Weak oppose

• Beef up the lead image, WP:MOS#Images allows up to 300px.
• Is it possible to link to quarterback?
• thirty-one ->31
• "a total of " redundant
• "In the 2008 season (currently in progess)" if you insist on keeping 2008 in here (which I wouldn't recommend as it would potentially result in the list being incorrect every week), then progress has two r's!
• Avoid the small font for number of games started.
• "Season(s)" why (s)? I can't see more than one season in each row of this column?
• Seurer and Hodson should have articles, even if they're stubs - expand the Wikipedia!
• Moon's caption seems the wrong way round to me - focus on how many he started and then mention he finished his career with the team.
• " 1 interception" - one interception.

The Rambling Man (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Follow up

• Image increased to 300px
• By linking to quarterback, do you mean in the lead? If so, I linked it.
• Thirty-one changed to 31
• 'a total of' removed
• Progess -> Progress. I love to misspell.
• Small font -- I may omit the numbers all together, but if not, the numbers will be in larger font
• 'Seasons(s)' originally included merged years, but I forgot to remove this, now it's gone
• Seurer and Hudson now have articles, Hudson's article is now up for Did you know?
• Moon's caption was reworded, might not be what you were looking for though
• '1 interception' -> one interception'

conman33 (. . .talk) 05:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.