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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 23:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of HolbyBlue episodes

Featured list candidates/List of HolbyBlue episodes/archive1

Nominator(s): ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating List of HolbyBlue episodes for featured list because I feel that after many months of hard work on improving this article, it is now ready to be considered for promotion to Featured List. I began working on this article back in July, having not seen any of the episodes, but despite this having a good understanding of the show. I watched and researched all of the episodes from both series and constructed elaborate summaries from there. I believe that the prose is professional. Although it took me a long time to write a lead that I was satisfied with, I feel that it covers all the necessary aspects of the show, summarises HolbyBlue neatly, and is suitable in length. This article is not the target of any recent edit wars. This is my first FLC and I look forward to it hopefully succeeding after many hard months of work on it. ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"The show's ensemble cast for series one ..." I would suggest you say how many series were made before starting to talk about specifics of each series. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Our article on Cal MacAninch has a capital A in his surname. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And Pigott-Smith has one "g". Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Series two saw actors Oliver Milburn and James Thornton join the serial" perhaps "join the drama" or something, to avoid the "series/serial" repetition. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"The creation of HolbyBlue was announced on 27 April 2006 by the BBC, and was revealed ..." you're still talking about the "creation" here, so perhaps you need something like "The creation of HolbyBlue was announced on 27 April 2006 by the BBC. The series was revealed ..."? Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"was recruited on the " I think you normally recruit someone to something. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"8pm" - per MOS:TIME, "12-hour clock times end with lower-case a.m. or p.m., or am or pm, preceded by a non-breaking space" Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
" of which it failed to win any." reads very awkwardly. I think it's implied in the fact you just call them nominations that they didn't win any of them, you could delete that clause. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No need to repeat first names of the actors you've already mentioned in the lead. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 12:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

;Comments from BeatlesLedTV

TV episodes go in quotes per MOS:QUOTEMARKS#Names and titles Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You say in the lead that by the end of the series the show dropped to 2.5 million viewers but the last 10 episodes in the series 2 table don't have ratings to them. Why is that?

@BeatlesLedTV: the reason I left out ratings for those episodes is because there was no available consolidated ratings for those episodes. There are, however, a few overnight ratings for some (but not all) of the episodes that aired across the two series. Do you think it would be worth adding the overnight ratings in instead, or leave them out?

ElectrodeandtheAnode I definitely think you should have something. If you say it in the lead and if the show was cancelled due to declining ratings you should have evidence for that, not just in the lead. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BeatlesLedTV: Done - please let me know if it is okay or not! ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ElectrodeandtheAnode I've been checking out other "episodes..." featured lists and they normally have a reference for each episode's ratings, usually from TV by the Numbers or somewhere like that. Have you tried looking into that and if not would it be possible? If you can't find anything leave it how it is and put the fact that some are overnight ratings into a separate note. Other than that it's good for me. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BeatlesLedTV: I did broadly reference the available figures in the table, the reference is next to "Viewers" (It's BARB) and is where I got all the available data from. Would you prefer it if I removed the broad reference and individually referenced each rating? ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ElectrodeandtheAnode That would be preferable but if it's not possible just leave it how it is. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC) @BeatlesLedTV: Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have another case of "8 pm" that should be changed to "8pm" that Rambling Man talked about Done - oops, thank you! I should have been more vigilant! ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"12" → "twelve" Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 16:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Good for me. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The show was also nominated for six awards during its run." Unless you have a source that specifically says six, I'd consider axing this sentence. That'll all I've got. Courcelles (talk) 05:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: Done Removed the sentence as I could not find a source specifically saying six. ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 08:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support This isn't the easiest type of list to do, good work. Courcelles (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

For this part (and focuses on the daily lives of a number of police officers working at Holby South police station.), I would remove “a number of”. It sounds rather vague and does not add much to the sentence. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have a suggestion for this sentence (Two series of HolbyBlue aired, with the show's ensemble cast for series one consisting of Jimmy Akingbola, Joe Jacobs, David Sterne, Cal MacAninch, James Hillier, Kacey Ainsworth, Richard Harrington, Zöe Lucker, Chloe Howman, Kieran O'Brien, Tim Pigott-Smith and Elaine Glover.). I have received a note in the past during FAC reviews that the “with” construction is discouraged from featured-level work. I would revise the sentence to avoid that. I also not certain about the placement of the “Two series of HolbyBlue aired) as it would seem more appropriate for the second paragraph, which focuses more on the airdates, than the first paragraph, which focuses more on the characters and actors. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For this sentence (By the end of the first series, Pigott-Smith had departed.), is there any information on why the actor left the show? A brief part here could be useful as it is rather abrupt. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Something about this sentence (Series two saw actors Oliver Milburn and James Thornton join the drama.) reads a little odd to me. I think it would be better to use this structure (Actors Oliver Milburn and James Thornton joined the drama for series two). I think that the “saw” verbage is throwing me off a little. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Unlink “Tony Jordan” in the second paragraph as he was already linked in the first paragraph. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For this part (at 8 pm, which was one week later than scheduled, for unknown reasons.), I do not believe that the second comma is necessary. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The word “series” is used quite a lot in the second paragraph. I would try to cut down on that if possible. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For this part (this time for an extended run of twelve episodes, a 50% increase from the first series.), I do not think that the “a 50% increase from the first series” is necessary. Done ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would try to vary the sentence construction for the end of the third paragraph as it is rather repetitive (i.e. X was nominated for/under Y).
- @Aoba47: I think I have managed to reconstruct the sentences so they are less repetitive now, but I am not too sure. Could you let me know what you think of the last few sentences now please? ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful work with this list. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for addressing everything. This is a great and interesting list. It definitely inspires me to do another list project in the near future. I support this for promotion. Have a wonderful rest of your week! Aoba47 (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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