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List of England Test cricket records edit

Featured list candidates/List of England Test cricket records/archive1

Nominator(s): – Ianblair23 (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After the successful promotion of List of Australia Test cricket records, I have given the same treatment to the list of Test records for the old enemy, England. As always I forward to your feedback on this nomination. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 14:07, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In the Most consecutive career matches section, Cook broke the record when he played in the second Test against Pakistan. Please update. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:40, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joseph, thanks very much for your comment. This has been updated as well as all of the other records now that the second Test against Pakistan has concluded. If there is anything else please let me know. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 09:44, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joseph, the list has updated as per the TRM's and Jenny's comments below. Please let me know if you have any further comments. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 05:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Note [a] should really go behind "a period of five days,".

Moved – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"several English records" -> "several England Test cricket records".

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Making his debut in 2006, Cook has" -> "Making his debut in 2006, he has" (no need for the quick name check).

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"He has scored a record ..." as he's a current player, you probably need an "as of" here.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Same comment applies to Anderson.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

" played as English skipper with 59" needs to go first in that sentence since it's probably the most prominent record of the lot.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Link five wicket haul.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

" his debut at 49 " -> "his Test debut at 49"

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Caption -> "holds several English Test records." -> "holds several England Test records."

I have used the demonym "English" throughout the article. I know the article is titled "England Test records" and the parent article is titled "England cricket team" but that is to comply with the naming convention that states that the demonym is not used. But surely these are English Test cricket records, no? Thoughts? – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm somewhat torn on this, the principal issue being the vast array of England players who are not actually English. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Upon reflection, I have made the changes that you recommended. – Ianblair23 (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"England has played 999 Test matches resulting..." again, as of. Maybe the list needs an "as of" at the top or maybe embedded per my suggestions above, and then in the key section.

I have added the "as of" at the start of the paragragh and in the key – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The table following only shows 998 matches.

Updated – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the Test cricket record entries specifically referenced?

Every Test record is referenced at the end of the blurb before the table, was there one in particular that was missing? – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"England by wickets.[69][57]" citation order.

Switched – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Individual records - the text for each table seems to focus on people who aren't England players. It reads very curiously to me. Perhaps (by all means) mention the top in the history of cricket for context, but then you need to focus on the England Test cricketers.

Done – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Most runs in a series" if you're going to have the Series column sortable, I would do it chronologically, rather than purely by text.

Great catch TRM! I have sorted chronologically all four series records – runs, wickets, dismissals and catches – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Laker image is fair use and can't be used here.

Damn, you're right. Removed – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Same applies to Evans' image.

Switched out for image of Matt Prior – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have multiple images of Cook, probably worth dating them in the caption, i.e. (pictured in 201x).

Both captions amended – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rhodes image, he wasn't 52 at the time, about half that much, so perhaps that needs noting.

Caption amended – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't "laws of cricket" be Laws of Cricket?

Yes it should. Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Rambling Man, thank you so much for the review. All of your comments have been addressed. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Rambling Man, thanks again for the review, I have addressed the one outstanding point above. Please let me know if you have any further comments. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~ by JennyOz

Hi Ian, firstly thanks for the massive work compiling these lists. I've made a few small changes for you to please check. I have been through every one of the 154 references, comments and suggested tweaks follow. There are also a number of questions to help me appreciate some of the aspects of cricket/refs that I don't quite understand. Sorry for the length:) but your clarifications will aid my support and also any future reviews.

Lede

wlink to Full Member isn't jumping to intended section - needs lowercase m here or cap M on target section header?

Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Since then they have played 999 matches..." - not really 'since' first Test match, that'd make 1,000 altogether. Maybe 'since then they have played another 998' or 'including that match they have played 999'?

Reworded – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The most prolific wicket-taker for - wlink isn't going to intended section, capital D needed

Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The most prolific wicket-taker - maybe add bowler to differentiate wicket-keeper wicket-takers?

Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Key

Opponent - only the first table uses Opponent, thereafter it is Opposition

Great pick up! Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

General comment - eg "is in third with" should be "is in third place" or "is third" or "ranks third" ie if using "in", "place" is also needed.

Noted – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Team records

Greatest loss margins (by 10 wickets) - should Victories column be Losses?

Another great pick up! Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"England's narrowest win by runs was against Australia in the second Test of the 2005 Ashes series at Edgbaston. Set 282 runs for victory in the final innings, Australia were bowled all out for 279 to give victory to the hosts by two runs.[53]" - ref 53 wrong one here? should be 51?

Fixed – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"This was the equal third-narrowest win in Test cricket" - was the second narrowest win?

Fixed. This and the point above was a carry over from the Australian list which I must of missed. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Individual records, Batting

Highest individual score -"Matthew Hayden of Australia set the highest Test score with 380" - add where when who? (Lara's has)

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most double centuries - Alastair Cook total runs 12099 - update to 12145 per other tables

Updated – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most double centuries - maybe blurb could say 'four England players have achieved double centuries" (just so it doesn't look like a 5th has been missed?)

This ref only shows those players who have scored three double centuries. I have added the seven English players have scored two double centuries which are all placed equal fifth. Unfortunately, Statsguru doesn't show overall career figures with double centuries (only centuries). I can isolate them out with this ref but this only shows the span and runs from those innings where the double centuries were scored. So I have added a separate column citing their ESPNcricinfo profile pages for their career span and runs. If and when Root goes on to score his third double century all of this can be reverted. In the meantime I will email ESPNcricinfo requesting Statsguru to be modified. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Caption "Wally Hammond has scored the most double centuries for England with seven and holds the record for the most runs scored in a series with 905 runs during the 1928–29 Ashes series.[87][88]" reads as if the most runs in a series is overall. Insert 'for England' after 'in a series'

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most runs in a series "Alastair Cook's 766 runs scored during the 2010–11 Ashes series ranks in 13th" - 14th?

Corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Individual records, Bowling Most career wickets

Ref 93 confirms Muralitharan taking Warne's record achieving 709 but not being now on 800. Add ref 94 again?

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"second only to Australia's Glenn McGrath with 563 as the fast bowler with the most Test wickets" - I can't see where ref/s talk of Anderson and McGrath being fast bowlers this and this do

It is shown in this ref "Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler" – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Worst figures in a match - why Salisbury and Tate not equal 2nd rank - are overs taken into consideration?

Yes, overs are the differentiator in this case. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Best figures in a match, blurb I'd refine "and the runs conceded in two innings." to "over both innings"

Agree, reworded. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wicket-keeping records

Most career dismissals "ball has touched the striker's bat or glove holding the bat" - ref 124 why doesn't Law 33 mention glove? (same Law used as ref at Fielding records, Most career catches)

Ah yes, this is covered in Law 5 which states that the hand or the glove holding the bat shall be regarded as the ball striking or touching the bat. I have this added this ref to both sections. – Ianblair23 (talk) 12:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Individual records, Fielding records

next to the wicket-keeper, on the off side of the field - off side linking to article called leg side on side?

Linked to Off side – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most slip fielders are top order batsmen - my curiosity - why? can't see that in ref 135

Added additional ref – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Worst figures in a match - Tahir's worst figures, not 2006 was 2012 Adelaide South African cricket team in Australia in 2012–13#2nd Test. "48 years prior" becomes 54.

Corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Worst figures in an innings, "The worst figures by an Englishman is 0/169 that came off the bowling of Tich Freeman in his final Test appearance" ref 114 only confirms date last Test? Needs scorecard also for figures? (even though ref'ed in table).

Ref added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also re Tich, worst figures 'is' or 'are'?

Changed to are – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should Englishman be England player? (this is similar I s'pose to TRM's concern?)

Reworded – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other records

Most consecutive career matches - Knott and Botham =3 should be =2?

Corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Youngest players - rank 4 - Clem Hill should be Ben Hollioake?

Corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Youngest players - ref 144 (I can't access CricketArchive) but the archived version is for youngest Aust'n players?

Archive-url corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Partnership records, Highest partnerships by wicket

English batsmen hold three Test wicket partnerships records, all set within the last ten years. - 'last ten years' will age, reword? all set since 2010 or similar?

Reworded – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Umpiring records

Most matches umpired - Aleem Dar from Pakistan who has stood in 117 Test matches - his page now updated to 119. Need to insert 'as of' for someone still active?
Most matches umpired - lots now changed per ref 154, Gould now has 67 so 3 x mentions of Dickie Bird need updates.
Kettleborough now 52 equal to Llong.

Entire section updated – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flags to check

Greatest win margins (by 10 wickets) - table, South Africa flag
Bowling, Worst figures in an innings - table, South Africa flag
Bowling, Worst figures in a match - table, South Africa flag

All three flags corrected – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Daggers

Broad needs dagger at Other records, most career matches?

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bell gets no dagger as not likely to get selected again?

He is not current playing Test cricket so no dagger, however he still playing county cricket and is still hungry to play for England again – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Haseeb Hameed - no longer Test player?

Not currently playing Tests, so yes no dagger – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adil Rashid - hasn't played a Test since 2016 but has a dagger

Dagger removed – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Misc Ref bits

Ref 1 - Nicholson, Matthew (2007). Sport and the media, better url p26 here?

Fixed ref – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 23 Ireland’s Test cricket debut, Fox - needs date of pubn May 11, 2018

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 37 Cameron R J (Year Book Australia) - add authorlink to Roy Cameron (statistician)

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 73 Brownell, Frederick Gordon - authorlink

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 90 Williamson, Martin glossary - can't see where the date 17 April 2007 comes from

Removed – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 109 Pervez book, gbooks says publisher Universities Press, is that same as Orient Blackswan

It is actually published by Sangam Books, updated both refs

Ref 135 Selvey, Mike - authorlink

Added – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That'll do for now. I may have some further questions. Thanks again, JennyOz (talk) 06:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jenny, thank you so much for your thorough review, truly a herculean effort! I have addressed each of your comments above. Please let me know if you any further concerns. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Ian, I have been through and checked each of your changes. All spot on. One only minor comment...

Where you mention Cook "has scored over 12,000 Test runs, the only England player to do so." and "the only England batsman who has scored more than 10,000 runs in Test " - he's actually only one to have scored more than 8,900 though I don't know if it's worth tweaking.

In both cases I am linking to List of players who have scored 10,000 or more runs in Test cricket, so I am happy with the status quo. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am very happy to now add my support. Thanks for your attention to my queries. I've learnt lots! Maaarrrvellous:) Regards, JennyOz (talk) 07:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jenny, very much appreciated. I hope you learned one or two things about the old enemy :) Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support now all the changes have been made. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giants and PresN, I would appreciate if one of you could run your eye over this now that TRM has given his support. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 00:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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