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List of Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways edit

Featured list candidates/List of Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways/archive1

Nominator(s): Buaidh talk e-mail 23:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating the List of Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways for featured list because it presents information about the scenic and historic byways of Colorado in a straightforward manner with ample documentation and notes.

Comments from Reywas92

The lead is too short, could you summarize the list a bit more, maybe the total length of the byways, highlight some important ones.
Describe a little bit of the process for how these are selected. The All-American Roads, National Scenic Byways, National Forest Scenic Byways, and Back Country Byways are all federal programs, so this needs to specify the difference between a state and federal designation. I know the National Scenic Byways require state nomination, but talk about how these overlap with the state-level designation. Seems like 5 are state only, and the rest are both?
Mention the difference between the scenic byways and the historic byways. Some are only scenic, some are both. What sort of themes do some of these share?
What does designation actually mean? It says there's signage, but is there some sort of funding or other programming involved for these roads and sites on them? Or just listings in tourism guides?
"the most national byways of any state." Source?? Looking at the maps on the three program articles, it looks like California has more.
The section header should probably be "Scenic and Historic Byways"
The table header doesn't need to specify it's a table.
With most having both state and federal designation (and a few with multiple federal), what does the year represent? I don't see 1989 in either source for San Juan or 1993 in either for Top of the Rockies.
The Description column doesn't need period for incomplete sentences.
It also doesn't need to repeatedly link the designations since they're in the lead
The first three see also links don't need to be there if they're already elsewhere.
The Highways of Colorado by Matthew Salek external link seems unreliable and doesn't add anything beyond the comprehensive codot.gov site
Interesting list – National Parkway is somewhere on my to-do list!

Reywas92^Talk 01:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92: Thank you very much for your helpful comments. I will see what I can do for this list. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 03:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments:

Don't link Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission when that redirects to a section of this article
Why does the Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission section have zero citations?
The lead could also use a few more citations, like for "established in March 1989"
Not quite sure what "The Trail Ridge Road/Beaver Meadow National Scenic Byway is entirely within Rocky Mountain National Park, and thus does not have a National Parkway designation." implies. Skyline Drive is entirely within Shenendoah NP but is still listed at National Parkway, but then again I'm not entirely sure how that list was created since [2] says only six parkways have been congressionally designated and Skyline isn't one of them.
"intended to provide recreational, educational, and economic benefits to residents and visitors by designating, interpreting, protecting, and promoting a system of outstanding touring routes in Colorado." is plagiarized from [3]. You're welcome to use blockquote or otherwise quote the source, especially for the five selection criteria, but use quotation marks and proper citations. You should know this.

Reywas92^Talk 22:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose—this just isn't ready yet.
- As noted above, there's some confusion in the content between this state-level program and national-level programs. For example, the table row for Dinosaur Diamond Prehistoric Highway National Scenic Byway implies that a Colorado Scenic and Historic Byway designation extends into Utah. Is the 512-mile length just the portion in Colorado with the state-level designation? Does that length include the part in Utah? It's very unclear. The entire table needs a rewrite so that the content focuses on only what has a state-level designation. Sure, note if a byway also has a national-level designation, but per the title of this list, it must focus on just what Colorado designated.
- There's a lot of missing content. How are these byways nominated? What kind of approval process is there? What are the criteria for approval? What about a general history of the program? There should be some more content beyond the lead and the table. Take a look at Pure Michigan Byway for some inspiration.
- Several of the items listed in the See also section should be removed per MOS:NOTSEEALSO; if it's already linked in the body of the article, it should not be linked there.
  Unfortunately, I cannot support promotion until more content is added what is there is fixed. Imzadi 1979 → 04:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Imzadi1979: As stated in the header, all 26 of the byways are designated by the Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways Commission and 21 of these currently have a federal designation as well. The four byways that extend into adjoining states show the total mileage. I will add notes for mileage and dates. I know that Michigan is impeccable, so I will attempt to bring this list up to snuff. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 05:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Buaidh: I see that there was some edits after this comment a while back; are you still pursuing this nomination? Is it ready for another look by Imzadi1979? --Pres N 21:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92, Imzadi1979, and PresN: The List of Colorado Scenic and Historic Byways has been extensively updated using Pure Michigan Byway as a model. Please give me your comments and suggestions. Thanks, Buaidh talk e-mail 17:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This list still conflates state and federal designations inappropriately, and thus my oppose from over two months ago still stands. Entries in the list should be using their state-level byway designation names and the Colorado-only mileage. Dates of federal designation are irrelevant here and should be removed. I cannot support promotion until this basic structural flaw of the content is rectified, as I stated on 24 March.

(The see also list feels like a link farm, and the notes list also seems overly detailed. Others my disagree, though. This is secondary to the issues previously stated.) Imzadi 1979 → 03:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove the federal designations, mileage, and dates. I will also eliminate most of the see also entries. Buaidh talk e-mail 05:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Imzadi1979: Done. What else can I do to improve this page? Buaidh talk e-mail 21:38, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92, Imzadi1979, and PresN: Can you either approve this list or give me specific suggestions for improvement. Thank you very much. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 19:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did so in this edit three weeks ago.... Reywas92^Talk 20:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92: I'm sorry I overlooked these points. I've addressed all of them now. Is there anything else you can think of? Thanks, Buaidh talk e-mail 02:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would support once the List_of_Colorado_Scenic_and_Historic_Byways#Colorado_Scenic_and_Historic_Byways_Commission is properly cited and quoted in its entirety. The criteria are still a direct quote yet neither quoted nor cited...... Reywas92^Talk 20:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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