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List of Category 1 Pacific hurricanes edit

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Nominator(s): NoahTalk 20:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC), Cooper 22:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is now a complete listing of all confirmed Category 1 hurricanes in the Pacific. NoahTalk 20:43, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "a low-pressure area known as the Aleutian Low, are present" - no need for that comma there
  • What version of English is the article in? I notice spellings like "categorize" and "organize", which are American, yet the word "autumn" is used instead of "fall"
  • "In addition to those, 7 systems" => "In addition to those, seven systems"
  • "The Aleutian Low's retreat in late-April" - no need for that hyphen
  • "La Niña events increase wind shear and decreases" - the subject is "events", so the last word should be "decrease"
  • That's what I have on the lead, I will look at the tables later.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Those should be fixed. NoahTalk 20:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: I'm just pinging you since it has been over a week since your initial comments. NoahTalk 22:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I've been away on holiday. Promise I will catch up........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My only comment on the tables is that it looks weird for the "Deaths" and "Damage" columns to be centred where is no data but left-aligned where there is data. I suggest that all should be centred. I would also centre-align the refs column -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will work on that over the weekend. I need to update Lorena as well since the TCR came out today. NoahTalk 02:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly to do for centering those columns. NoahTalk 03:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: I don't know exactly what needs to be done coding wise in order to fix the issue. NoahTalk 22:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just add align=center before each cell where there's an actual value, so for example |{{sort|00.200|$200 thousand}} becomes |align=center|{{sort|00.200|$200 thousand}} -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay... I was trying to center the column as a whole. I will do this on the weekend. I spent 8 hours doing lab reports yesterday (with classes until noon) and still have 2 chemistry homeworks + a paper to write. The joys of college lol. NoahTalk 11:39, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:53, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know you already supported, but I just finished aligning all of them. The holiday has resulted in me getting extra time at work. NoahTalk 15:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick drive-by comment. There are lots of hurricanes before 1949, but you only list three. Considering you mention in your nomination statement that it contains all "confirmed" C1 hurricanes, I suggest limiting the article to the storms in HURDAT (1949-present). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, why are there no dates for Hurricane "C" in 1962? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Hurricane "C" isn't in Hurdat and there isn't any kind of BT so dates can't be used. Also, removed the pre-1949. NoahTalk 16:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing pre-1949. Have all of the stats been updated? (such as the overall number) Also, for Hurricane "C", maybe just say something like "August 1962" and add a note. It's odd that it's the only one that has no dates listed, even if it isn't explicitly known. Also, the text highly implies that the date was August 24th, but that's not explicitly said, so you can get away with "August 1962". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:50, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Yes, it should be updated now. Note that storms at Cat 1 over multiple months are counted for both months when it is broken down. NoahTalk 22:04, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Also, maybe my math is wrong, but you might wanna double check your total number of storms. I got 257. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: I got 247 upon recounting. NoahTalk 00:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricane Noah and Hurricanehink: I get 237 using Ctrl+F and inputting "mph" or "km/h" for the Systems section. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 03:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I added up the storms by month, which adds up to 257. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: That is how many have existed at Cat 1 intensity during each month, not reached it. A storm that maintains Cat 1 from September to October is counted for both months. NoahTalk 16:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, thank you Noah! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I looked through the article again, and I don't see anything that stands out or needs to be addressed for me. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review
No ALT text that I can see. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose by Jason Rees
  • This list needs some love before it can be listed as a featured list imho, as it feels like it has just been slammed together without any love or fact checking.
  • For starters I feel that one specific table listing all of the category 1 hurricanes would be a lot better than the four currently in the article. It would allow us to view all the Category 1 hurricanes at once and allow us to answer important questions like which TC caused the most damage or lasted the longest easier.
  • Done (got sorting adjusted). I will do a bit tomorrow and some after my English final on Wednesday. NoahTalk 01:44, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • While looking through the list, I notice that there isn't any consistency in how a reference is formatted. Some are first name first while others are first name last.
  • I feel that the duration column would be more accessible if it was broken up it up into days and hours rather than just hours. For example: At a brief glance would i be able to tell that 102 hours is 4.25 days?
  • The areas affected need to be looked carefully. For example: Henriette 2007 should probably be updated to just list Mexico since you are basically saying that Northern, Southern and Western Mexico were impacted. Barbara 2013 surely impacted Southern Mexico since it listed as it is listed as impacting Southwestern Mexico & Eastern Mexico?
  • I randomly decided to look at Isis 1998 in order to verify the data and I note that the list says that it impacted Baja California Peninsula, Northern Pacific Coast of Mexico, Southwestern United States, Northwestern United States and that it caused 14 deaths as well as $10 million in damages. When I look at the TCR which is the only reference cited, I can verify that it caused 14 deaths, impacted Baja California and the Pacific Coast of Mexico, however, I can not verify that it impacted the United States or caused $10 million in damages.
  • Why are you using a report from 1982 to verify note which says Prior to 1988 for the Eastern Pacific and 2001 for the Central Pacific?
  • Added NHC text document to support years stated and kept the report from '82 which discusses how pressure readings were taken for older storms. NoahTalk 23:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • All Eastern North Pacific Hurricane Season of XXXX articles need to be cited up as a journal and as a part of the Monthly Weather Review rather than as reports.
  • I would remove Hurricane C as there isnt any BT Data for it and thus can not be verified as a Cat 1 TC.Jason Rees (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I find it interesting that you include the Revillagigedo Islands in your areas affected for Lorena, but not for any of the other entries on the list. I would personally wouldn't have included it as we can only cover the broader areas affected, but it's up to you just make sure its sourced and can be easily verified if you do include it.
  • I would like to see Flossie's non-damages to Hawaii sourced, as I know that Flossie impacted the islands with heavy rain. I would also like to see it listed as None and None rather than N/A.
  • I like the usage of Template:N/A but feel that its usage needs to be restricted to just systems that didnt impact land and even then im not sure, im a fan of it being used in terms of deaths since deaths can occur at sea.
  • Thats it for now - More later.Jason Rees (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @CooperScience and Hurricane Noah: Is there any news on my comments above being addressed? I'm loathed to invest the time to review the list further until my comments above are dealt with.Jason Rees (talk) 12:01, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by KN2731

  • and 7 in November – 7 should be spelt out
  • Preliminary reports and TCRs should have dates of publication
  • Double daggers should be in the same column, same goes for daggers
  • Collectively, Category 1 hurricanes have killed at least 913 people – from the tables, I'm getting a minimum of 912.

That's all the issues I've found besides those raised by Jason Rees. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 11:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. With the exception of a redlink at the bottom of the page, the list looks excellent! -- JavaHurricane 09:40, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since I haven't seen much of Cooper lately and am recovering from surgery, I hereby withdraw this FLC so I can focus on my recovery and not waste your time with this any further. NoahTalk 20:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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