Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kelly Clarkson discography/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 20:13, 20 August 2012 [1].

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Kelly Clarkson discography

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• Featured list candidates/Kelly Clarkson discography/archive1

Nominator(s): Woofygoodbird (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because after making a overhaul of the article by rewriting it, by adding and cleaning reliable sources, adding catalog numbers for the releases, and applied guidelines according to Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE. I think it now meets the criteria for FL status. Woofygoodbird (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Toa Nidhiki05

Early comments – *Neutral - Content is neutral, discography is comprehensive. I have a few concerns, however: In singles, As a solo artist is not needed as it is the primary table and thus has all non-featured, non-promotional singles. It might also confuse some readers into thinking Clarkson was part of a band or group. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) While it isn't required, discography tables are allowed to show positions for charts that are not the main chart for the country - as such, 'collaborations' could have the charting positions on the US Country chart, where "Because of You" hit No. 2 and "Don't You Wanna Stay" hit No. 1. Once again, not required but it might give more context into the songs' success. I didn't put it yet because those songs already charted at the main chart and might trigger some other editors to assert that she's not a country artist and their country music discography guidelines don't apply to her. (See Talk:Kelly_Clarkson_discography#"Because of You (remix)") But if you insist, it's okay to me. Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) "Other charted songs" needs to note that the 118 peak for "If I Can't Have You" was on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Chart, not the Hot 100. This could be done with a footnote saying something like ""If I Can't Have You" peaked at number 18 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles Chart, which ranks the top 25 songs that have not yet entered the Billboard Hot 100. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Citation 6 should be a note, not a reference, as it is not directly referencing anything. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Citation 30 'Billboard' should be italicized, 'Hot 100' should not. 'under' should be capitalized and should have a space between it and 'Hot'. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) I'll support this if the issues are fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 20:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Support - All major issues are fixed. Good job! Toa Nidhiki05 15:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Sufur222 As well as everything Toa Nidhiki05 has mentioned, there are some other things I have noticed: The Extended plays and Other charted songs tables have no legend at the bottom, even though there are empty cells. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) WP:DISCOGSTYLE states that certifications should be listed by provider, not country (for example, US becomes RIAA). See WP:DISCOGSTYLE#Listing certifications for a full list of certification abbreviations and information on making changes. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Just a point: the certifications are now no longer in alphabetical order, which they still need to be even if they are listed by provider. They need reordering. Bear in mind, of course, that RIAA should still be at the top, as that is her home country. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 12:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC) I'll do this one myself. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC) And have done it. Both Video albums need references to prove that they were released, as they did not chart. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) "Cry" and "Go" need references to prove that they were released as singles. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) All of the Other appearances need references to prove their existence. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) None of the music videos don't have references proving their existence (the notes don't count). done Woofygoodbird (talk) 12 48, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Just a point: if you're going to list the director names, you need to make sure that their names are mentioned in the sources you have used. If not, either find an alternate source or leave the cell blank. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 12:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC) done all sources for the videos (except Go and One Minute) now mention the names of their respective directors in it. However, I left the director cells for Go and One Minute empty because I can't find an alternative source for it. Woofygoodbird (talk) 16 32, 30 July 2012 (UTC) That's fine. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC) Apart from all of these things, this is very impressive. I'll have no reservations supporting if the issues are fixed. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 07:46, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Support Looks very good. Keep up the good work! I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 16:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Comments – The single bolded word in the lead doesn't serve much purpose, and I'm pretty sure the Manual of Style would discourage this kind of bolding. It's best to do away with it here. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) In fourth paragraph, in parentheses: "RCA parent company". Grammatically, it would be better as "RCA's parent company". done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) "released by Sony Music and the Ford Motor Company" seems better suited inside parentheses, like other items in this sentence. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Alt text would be nice for the lead image. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Note 1: Redundancy in "no physical single or radio release was released". One of the "release"s should be changed, ideally the first one. done - I rephrased it, but please check. Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Publisher of reference 3 (TIME) should be decapitalized like our article on the magazine has it. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Is the Youtube video in ref 61 obtained from an official source such as a record label's page? If not, it's probably a copyright violation and we shouldn't be linking to it. If it is official, no problem. I replaced the YouTube link with 2 references at ford.com (since the official video was taken down from YouTube after the promotion ended.) Please check. Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Also, shouldn't it be YouTube? done Won't be needed since replaced. Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) All caps in the title of ref 73 should be removed. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC) done Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Bunch of references have hyphens in their titles that should be en dashes instead. I recommend scanning through the list of refs and seeing how many you can find and fix. done I replaced the hyphens with dashes. But please check if I left something out. Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Still see hyphens in 7, 8, 44, 47, and 48. A good number of them have been fixed, though. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:18, 31 July 2012 (UTC) done Woofygoodbird (talk) 23 43, 31 July 2012 (UTC) What makes Discogs (third site in ref 16, and used in 43, 44, and 45) a reliable source? I used Discogs in the references because it has the UPC numbers of the releases, which could prove that the songs/albums were released to retail. Anyway, I replaced some of them (ref 44, 45) to Amazon. But please check. Woofygoodbird (talk) 08 20, 31 July 2012 (UTC) done Woofygoodbird (talk) 23 43, 31 July 2012 (UTC) done I removed all the discogs references and replaced them. Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 08, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Current ref 45 is still a Discogs page. Giants2008 (Talk) 16 11, 1 August 2012 (UTC) done Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Statυs (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

;Oppose— First of all, the lead only seems to focus on the US. Why is that? I added a few stuff from other countries as well. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) A paragraph for only one sentence? That's not really a paragraph then. Merged with the second paragraph. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) In 2005, Clarkson's recording deal was extended to six albums. --> Source for this information? "In 2005, Clarkson's record deal was extended to include an additional four albums." Removed since it's unsourced. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) The album stirred an internal conflict with RCA which was quickly resolved within that year. --> Doesn't give the reader anything at all. What kind of conflict was there? Mention how they wanted her to change some of the songs on the album, but try not to go into too much detail. I've put some detail regarding My December. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Despite being certified platinum by the RIAA, the album failed to match the sales of its predecessor by suffering poor publicity for its uncommercial nature and thus became her poorest-selling album to date. --> This sentence just doesn't make any sense. "Despite being certified platinum by the RIAA"? That makes it sound as if a certification is dependent on how the album actually sold. Of course it isn't, but it isn't. "The album failed to match the sales of its predecessor by suffering poor publicity for its uncommercial nature and thus became her poorest-selling album to date." is fine. Additionally, I'm going out on a limb here, but I assume that My December has actually outsold Stronger, as Stronger is newly released. Rewrote the whole thing. But according to an article by Yahoo Music, Stronger had already outsold My December. See the link here. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Branching from the above, what are her worldwide numbers? I inserted her worldwide figures (Only for albums, since it's the one with the reliable source) Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) The final paragraph in the lead just a complete and utter mess. Other than having no business here; try reading it aloud. Removed Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) The lead, basically, doesn't summarize the article. It only mentions the US, mentions only three of her 21 singles and is quite choppy throughout. You may wish to take a look at Jennifer Lopez discography for an example of how the lead should look. Rewritten Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Released --> Release date Label --> Label(s) or Labels, there's more than one Format --> Format(s) or Formats, same as above I've just copies the wiki code (Released, Label, Format) from Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE, since it was the OFFICIAL guideline after all. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) iTunes Session sold 13,000 copies where? USA Today. See the link here. I've already put it in the references Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) "...or was not released" If the album or single was not released, why is it on this article? I've put the ""—" denotes a recording that did not chart or was not released in that territory." instead (since it's the one on the Wikipedia:DISCOGSTYLE ifself). Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Why is Certifications linked so much? It should only be linked once. I don't think it was linked so much. But you can double-check. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) List of other artists' singles where Clarkson appeared in duet or other collaborations --> This is very poorly written. It's now re-written. Woofygoodbird (talk) Promotional singles and Other charted songs --> Where's the taglines for these? Be consistent. I added it now. Woofygoodbird (talk) The Billboard Hot 100 is a 100 position chart. I added a note "Bubbing Under Hot 100" above the references, just like in other FL-class discography articles (Kelly Rowland discography, 50 Cent discography, Rage Against the Machine discography). Woofygoodbird (talk) Video albums --> Missing the nice little bullet for the certification. I added it now. Woofygoodbird (talk) Ref 74 --> Not sure why when I click on that page it wants me to print it. Additionally, where in that page does it show it was a promotional single? It just says the song was used for background music in their commercial. I've temporarily removed the "Go" song since I can't find enough reliable references for it being released. Woofygoodbird (talk) Additionally, the dates in the refs are inconsistent. Pick one. January 3, 2012, 3 January 2012, 2012-01-03 or 2012-03-01. Statυs (talk) 03:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC) I replaced the dates like this 3 January 2012. Woofygoodbird (talk) SMH... 1 dab link The CMT link works fine. Woofygoodbird (talk) 2 dead links Statυs (talk) 03:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Fixed the links. Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Just one more thing... Why is there no mention of her winning Idol in the lead? Kind of a big deal, to anybody whose won. But especially her because, you know, she was the first. Also, isn't she also considered the best selling Idol contestant? I don't see that anywhere either. Statυs (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC) There's now an American Idol part Woofygoodbird (talk) 13 57, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

• Now that all the issues I have pointed out have been resolved, I feel confident in supporting the article. The lead looks so much better! I'm sorry if I came off a bit on the harsh side, but hey, the article looks much better now. Great work! Statυs (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments' Few of the tables don't meet WP:ACCESS. Other appearances table needs rowscopes and music videos table needs col and rowscopes done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 14, 12 August 2012 (UTC) "charting in twenty-eight national charts around the world..." don't think we need around the world, its redundant, not exactly going to chart outside the world is she :p done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 14, 12 August 2012 (UTC) NapHit (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• Support NapHit (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
• Comments Ref 1 has no retrieval date. Ref 2 has no retrieval date or publisher. Ref 4, 5, 19, 23(4) has no retrieval date. Ref 8 is a document which should be pointed. Per WP:Date dates should have a consistent format in the references. Afro (Talk) 12:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

done - Although Ref 19 already has a retrieval date, it's quite hidden. So I'm not sure if you saw it. Thanks. Woofygoodbird (talk)

• Support I have no issues with the list. Afro (Talk) 16:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments Not keen on the lead image with the weird left hand and the mic obscuring most of her face. Commons seems to have a wealth of alternative images you could choose from. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) "video release" or "video album"? done, video album. Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) First three sentences have "Clarkson" in them without mention of anyone else. Variety, e.g. use "she" perhaps? done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) "double A -side" odd spacing. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) People outside US may not know what a "sophomore album" means. done, rewrote it to second album. Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) " the music mogul Clive Davis" presumably he worked for her label? Worth saying it. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) "most-successful" no need for hyphenation here. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Not sure when CS became a known abbreviation for cassette. Why not just say cassette? done, although I actually copied it from the Samples section at WP: DISCOGSTYLE. Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Where is "The Smoakstack Sessions" referenced? done, it's now referenced. Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) "List of non-singles" but the section title is just "other charted songs"... done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) "(You Make Me Feel Like A) Natural Woman" sure that closing parenthesis is in the right place? Do you mean the "(You Make Me Feel Like A)"? I believe it is. It says there in Amazon. I think it's kind of like "(There's Gotta Be) More to Life". Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Does that mean Wikipedia's article is incorrectly named? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC) done Sorry, I was looking for the parentheses ["()"] as a whole. It's now "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman" Woofygoodbird (talk) 10 08, 16 August 2012 (UTC) Two blank director cells, these need explanation. Like a note or something? Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Yeah, some discos have N/A in a greyed out cell if the info isn't available. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC) done Woofygoodbird (talk) 10 08, 16 August 2012 (UTC) Ref 1 v Ref 20, publication date format consistency required. And if you write a date out in English, don't use leading zeros. done Woofygoodbird (talk) 14 30, 15 August 2012 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Can we get a better picture? You can barely see who it is, with her eyes shut and everything. Statυs (talk) 00:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I changed it to something better.  Done Woofygoodbird (talk)

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