Wikipedia

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Central Committee elected by the 16th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)/archive2

< Wikipedia:Featured list candidates‎ | Central Committee elected by the 16th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by PresN 20:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Central Committee elected by the 16th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) edit

Central Committee elected by the 16th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Toolbox
Nominator(s): --TIAYN (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why? I felt it was important. Its pretty much a list of the entire Soviet party leadership 1930–1934. If someone notices why so many people died during the 1930s its because Stalin killed them. Thanks, --TIAYN (talk) 09:09, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Seattle (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Its 1st Plenary Session can you link "Plenary Session" somewhere?
    • Its linked in the "Plenums" sections. --TIAYN (talk) 08:55, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done has been marked in historic literature what historic literature specifically? You need a few citations to support this generalization.
    • Wrote at the end "according to Khlevniuk"
  •  Done Upon Molotov's appointment as SNK what's SNK? You don't abbreviate anywhere before.
  •  Done Can you provide a description of File:КПСС.svg on its file page and on the article, as a caption perhaps?
  •  Done "Apparatus" sort ascending doesn't work; goes from 1932 to 22 July 1930, for instance. Same with "Left office"
  •  Done The "*" and "$" in the table key seem more like footnotes than table functions.
  •  Done Sorry, I meant that these should be converted to notes rather than table symbols, because they only have one individualized application over the tables. Seattle (talk) 03:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Konstantin Gey was born into a Estonian family a → an. Seattle (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Seattle: Help me here; where is the template that says copyright expired after 70 years? --TIAYN (talk) 07:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, several of the photos have been released into the public domain by the Russian Government (as owners of the works); if the owner releases it into public domain a US-PD tag is not warranted, is it? --TIAYN (talk) 07:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
 Done @Seattle: Fixed all the images. --TIAYN (talk) 09:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support for featured list status. Seattle (talk) 18:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Colipon:

  • Under "plenums", I don't see it as necessary to have two columns for "Plenum (CC)" and "Joint plenum (CC–CCC)". I am also not sure if it is necessary to capture the number of days in a separate column. In my view, this section should be listed as a set of bullet points rather than a table, but this is my personal preference. A summary of what the significance of each plenum was would also be nice.
    • First, I'll remove the days (no problem). I prefer tableizing it (since everything else is tableized), The reason I have two columns is that the plenary session and the joint plenary session had different powers; the CC–CCC plenums could expel members.. Stalin, early in the 1920s, gained control of the CCC (roughly the Soviet counterpart of the CDIC) and used it to expel members (which could only be done through joint CC–CCC plenums). Its a way to highlight its importance. But I'll remove it. No biggy.... As for a summary of plenary sessions, that's much trickier than you'd think. Unlike the CPC, which has a tendency to issue grand policy statements through the CPC Central Committee the CPSU did it through the PB, the government and sometimes the CC itself—therefore, details on CC sessions vary... In any case, done everything you commanded, and I'll be working on finding short summaries of the CC plenary sessions (but I can't promise you any success)...--TIAYN (talk) 20:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Colipon: I'm unable to find info regarding the CC plenary sessions... --TIAYN (talk) 22:24, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Under "apparatus", is it possible to consolidate cells for which there are multiple officeholders for the same department? For example, Agitation and Mass Campaign Department, Central Asian Bureau, Secret Department, and so on.
  •  Done My preference for the abbreviation of "candidate member" is actually "PB (C)" rather than "CPB" as "CPB" may intuitively invoke "Central Politburo". Colipon+(Talk) 16:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Colipon: THanks! --TIAYN (talk) 20:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Object Star of David Unicode symbol may present an accessibility issue as screen readers may not know how to read it aloud. Suggest templating the symbol as an image with appropriate alternate text. Once this has been done and replaced in the article, then this issue can be considered resolved. Thisisnotatest (talk) 05:59, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments – I noticed this list lingering towards the bottom of FLC. Because it risks being closed at this rate, allow me to offer a review and maybe we can get this over the line in time.
  • (look below) "and the first congress in party history in which there was no opposition to the party leadership." Is "congress" meant to be capitalized, as is the case elsewhere in the article?
    • That is the only mention of congress in the article not specifying what congress it was (was it the 1st Congress, 17th Party Congress el cetra; it refers to congress in general form and states it was the first without a organized opposition).. --TIAYN (talk) 05:02, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Comma after "Upon Molotov's appointment as SNK Chairman in December 1930"?
  •  Done Apparatus: "Individuals employed by Central Committee's bureaus". Add "the" before Central?

Overall, this looks pretty good to me. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – I'm comfortable enough to believe that the list meets the FL criteria that I'll recuse myself from closing duties. One of the delegates should be closing the FLC now, but they're both active here so that shouldn't be a problem. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:16, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Maile 12:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
...

Comments from Maile

  • Pictures in tables do not need captions... But I will be working on alternate text. --TIAYN (talk) 19:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image of Akmal Ikramov - clicking on it redirects to the main page of Commons.
Apparently, this is a browser issue. Firefox redirects to Commons main page. IE does not, but goes directly to the image on Commons. I'll be reporting the problem at Village Pump. — Maile (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
— Maile (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: Fixed. --TIAYN (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Trust Is All You Need, I'm a little confused, based on your comment that the pictures don't need captions, but alts. Kosior is formatted as an alt. The others in that table appear to be regular captions. — Maile (talk) 22:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: When I think of a caption, i think of this... When I think of alternate text, i think of this... --TIAYN (talk) 04:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I believe I see the misunderstanding.
  • What you have here is one image with the coding for thumbnail, and one without. Thumbnail is different than alt text. Alt text is for screen readers. And just like scope="col" and scope="row", the screen reader isn't going to know it's alt text unless you have "alt=" to the left of the caption. The only place you did that, as far as I can see, is by the The Star of David up at the top. Alt text coding would look like this. File:alt=Andrey Andreyev.
  • However, since this came up, I'm wondering why the captions on the images in the table don't clearly define the image, such as the one above. Why don't the caption identify who this is, rather than a generic "A man with a moustache"? All the captions should define the image, so I think you need to re-do those, please. I hope I've been a little more clear here. Anyone else is free to weigh in on this if they like. — Maile (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Maile66: Fixed? ... Are you suppose to see the alt text? Its not visible with my browsers (Google Chrome or Safari). --TIAYN (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You don't see the Alt text. Only the screen readers need to see it. Alt text was taken care of except for:
  • Kosior - you put the alt text in the wiki link for the Communist Party of Ukrain instead
  • Grigory Petrovsky - you put the alt text in the wiki link for All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets
As mentioned above, you need to do something about the generic text of the existing captions (not the alt text in this case). Per WP:FLR and WP:CAP, the captions need to be "succinct" (no needless words) and "Clear identification of the subject". Using a caption that says it's a man with a beard, but doesn't say who the man is, does not identify the subject. Who cares that he has a beard, that he's staring ito the camera? Tell the reader who the image is of. Possibly the easiest way for you to do that, is make the existing captions the same wording as the alt text. For the images that are postage stamps, I would say "(year of issue) postage stamp of (name)".— Maile (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Maile66: Fixed? --TIAYN (talk) 21:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Khatayevich.jpg - Take care of this one, and we're done. The rest are fine. — Maile (talk) 21:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Good job. Thanks for sticking with this. — Maile (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing this nomination as passed --PresN 20:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_16th_Congress_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)/archive2&oldid=1076192878"