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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 02:59, 1 June 2010 [1].

1991 College Baseball All-America Team

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Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel this is a complete and encyclopedic list. I am competing in the WP:CUP and may produce several more of these if this is favorably reviewed. I am attempting to obtain a commitment from a WP:MLB member to stub out player redlinks as a co-nominator on future lists, but am moving forward as a solo nominator on this current list. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from NMajdan

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Here is a more detailed review.

Not to mention that you are still very much active on this page after creating it yesterday, so it definitely lacks stability (it has already changed quite a bit from my review minutes ago). That would be a start.—NMajdan•talk 18:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll re-evaluate when these items have been addressed.»NMajdan·talk 14:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5
Oppose from KV5

Does not meet the criteria.

Suggest withdrawal. Possible quick-fail candidate. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've withdrawn my recommendation for quick-failing based on the improvements made, but I still think that this list is unnecessarily specific. A larger article on College Baseball All-America Teams could serve the purpose just as well. In fact, that could be made a featured list with a wide table along the lines of the Gold Glove or Silver Slugger Award lists. There really is no reason for this single team to be its own article at this point, however. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting one article with 64 tables like this would be better? Both basketball and football use the convention of one team per year. Keep in mind that season's accomplishments list is rather short compared to other years that have stars and older years where players are in the managerial and coaching phase of their careers.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm suggesting that one article would be better, not 64 tables. If you look at Rawlings Gold Glove Award, it doesn't have 60+ tables just because the award has been presented for 60+ years. I think that a format like that would work well for this list. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 19:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On issue with that, your example has two winners per year. This list would have a dozen or more. How many years has the NCAA recognized All-Americans in college baseball?—NMajdan•talk 20:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have reformatted the list. I think the Gold Glove format would be wrong for this. Currently, I have access to the NCAA-sanctioned lists. However, in the future, other lists may be added. See 2009 College Football All-America Team to see how many major selectors there are relative to the NCAA-sanctioned lists.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The current format is much better, but raises additional issues:
  • All occurrences of a position must now be linked due to sortability.
  • Abbreviations need a key.
  • Do the checkmarks use alt-text or something else to tell users with screen-readers which players qualified for which team?
  • Schools still need to be linked on each occurrence, and remove abbreviations like "St.", as they aren't necessary.
  • Blank cells should be filled with centered em-dashes. Notes column should be unsortable.
  • I can tell that the initial sorting is by the number of the position (1 for pitcher, 2 for catcher, etc.), but the casual reader likely will not know that. It should be explained.
  • Actually this is just coincidence. I think ABCA uses this order in listing its teams on the NCAA site, but BA uses another order. I just went with the order of the first list. I could just as easily have put pitchers last like on the BA lists.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, regardless of the order, unless it's initially sorted alphabetically by name (which would make the most sense), the sorting should be explained. I'm ok with the sorting by position number, though; it just requires an explanation (a footnote is easiest). KV5 (Talk • Phils) 18:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is referencing the rows in the table?
  • Rather than using the gold medal icon, just write out that Neill won a gold medal. It's much simpler.
  • Sweeney's career pinch hit RBI record is in what? NCAA? MLB? MiLB? Clarify.
  • What makes certain players redlinked and others blacklinked?

There are additional items, but this is a start. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More comments (KV5)
  • Perhaps you should talk about unanimous selections in the lead.
    • In college athletics the only two sports where the group of All-American lists are considered collectively are basketball and football where there are designation as consensus and unanimous. Other sports do not make such designations. In a sense, these list are not that much more official than any others that might exist such as Sporting News, Associated Press, ESPN, College Baseball Writers, etc. They just happen to be the ones the NCAA lists on their website.
  • Shortstop's position number is 6; move it after third baseman (5).
  • The key under the table should be a subhead (actually, it should ideally come before the table).

I've also copyedited the lead to fix some grammar and formatting errors. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This list is much improved since its nomination. I will give an additional check within a few days before supporting. — KV5 • Talk • 16:24, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support — KV5 • Talk • 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The Rambling Man (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nmajdan (talk · contribs) has stated that he is out of town on business and wont be able to reconsider his comments until Monday.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noted, thanks. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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