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The article was promoted by Laser brain 16:55, 8 February 2011 [1].

Stark Raving Dad edit

Nominator(s): Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 22:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is the third nomination for the article, which previously failed due to prose concerns. I have since copyedited it and I feel it is much better. Enjoy. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 22:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disambig/External Link check - no dabs or dead external links. --Pres N 00:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~. Prose looks reasonably tidy. Few thoughts:

The episode originally was supposed to end with Kompowsky singing a portion of "Man in the Mirror" in his Michael Jackson voice as he walked down the road, but it was changed to him singing the beginning of "Happy Birthday Lisa." - do we know wh?

No.

the producers decided that if a celebrity wished to guest star on the show, they had to be willing to be credited under their real name. - do we know why?

Presumably because it confuses fans and also means the show can't promote that guest. But, I haven't found a source that says that.

was reportedly scheduled - perhaps a bit weaselly - who reported it?

It's in the book Michael Jackson: the Solo Years but for some reason the page in question is no longer included in the google books preview. The book cites a press release, but notes that the bonus disk was soon dropped without mention.

More of a general question: how did you choose which reviews to quote in "Reception"? Presumably there's quite a lot to choose from, so did you have a method for deciding what should be included?

Actually, there's surprisingly few reviews. On normal, less-famous, episodes, we're lucky to get maybe five reviews from reliable sources. For this one, I thought there would be a lot, especially following Jackson's death, but there weren't. When I choose quotes, I look for something that tells us why that person thought what the did. Instead of including something simple like "so and so said 'it was an amazing episode'", I'd include "so and so said, 'what makes the episode great is the way Jackson's character seamlessly fits in with the fantastic parody of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".

Assuming sources are okay, I don't think this will need much work to get up to standard. Trebor (talk) 04:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 21:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Sources look good. Trebor (talk) 17:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comments: I carried out a full sources review at the last FAC. A few issues were resolved, and little has changed since. This time round I have carried out a few spot verification checks and all looks well. Brianboulton (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The only thing I could find is that "Bubbles is the name of Jackson's chimpanzee" could perhaps do with updating. The article's great; really well researched and written. J Milburn (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support - A comprehensive, excellent read. ceranthor 02:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image review? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image review all of the images except one have appropriate copyright licenses. One (File:Stark Raving Dad.PNG) has a valid, and detailed, fair-use rationale. The captions are are succinct and appropriate to the article. I feel that the article meets FA criterion 3. Imzadi 1979 → 06:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - In Unproduced sequel, was the "plot" written and polished, or the script? --Andy Walsh (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The script. I've made that clearer. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 01:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- ~~In the lede, there should probably be some context of who Homer is when he is first mentioned. Imagine if this was on the main page, and people were reading about with no idea what the Simpsons are.~~
  - Done.
- Given that Michael Jackson is mentioned only once before as of the second paragraph of the lede (and in which someone is just pretending to be him), I think it'd be useful to say "Michael Jackson guest starred in the episode...", to avoid confusion which Jackson (in case anyone forgot the previous reference).
  - Added.
- Question in the lede. Did Jackson or Kipp Lennon sing Happy Birthday Lisa?
  - It was Kipp Lennon. Do you think that should be added in the lead?
    - I think it should be stated somewhere. Right now, it's ambiguous who sings it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any source you can provide for the plot?
  - The episode itself? There are also external links to IMDB, The Simpsons.com and The Simpsons Archive, which have plot summaries.
    - Yea, just somewhere that unbiasedly backs up the plot summary. Somethings in the plot are slightly POV-ish (like "Homer is too lazy to finish the quiz..."). BTW, three consecutive sentences start with "Homer" in the 2nd paragraph of plot. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "Jackson was a huge fan of Bart." - that is a really short sentence, and a poor way to start a paragraph. Is there a way you could combine that with the subsequent sentence? And is "huge" really an appropriate word there?
  - I've tried merging it with the next sentence. Does that work better?
    - Much. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 01:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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