Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pacific blue-eye/archive1

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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2017 [1].

Pacific blue-eye edit

Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the second fish I caught and the first I kept in a fish tank. A common and hardy little critter. It's as complete as I can make it. Anyway, have at it... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Sabine's Sunbird edit

I'm very close to supporting this outright, just a few quibbles:

from a specimen collected in Sydney and taken to Vienna by the SMS Novara in 1858. You need to make it clear that the date 1858 was for the collection and not the taking to Vienna - presumably it didn't reach Vienna till the Novara Expedition finished in 1859. It might be worth briefly mentioning that it was colected on that expedition.

duly tweaked - the Novara Expedition is unfortunately a redirect Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:13, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're usually very thorough, but I'll check - any information about its closest relatives in its genus?

Cant' find anything - we have infraspecific analysis but no infrageneric.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I figured if there was you would have included it, but I had to ask. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative names include southern blue-eye and northern blue-eye.[7] - why not make it explicit which subspecies goes with which common name - it is obvious but it would fill out a very short paragraph. Otherwise maybe move common names to after where you introduce the trinomials

Here's the (annoying) thing. I can't find a ref that explicitly states which name goes with what. Also, the species itself is the southernmost so the name "southern blue-eye" I cannot exclude being used for the species as a whole. I might have to try some offline sources.. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

noxious introduced eastern mosquitofish I can find no evidence that this species is poisonous.

By noxious I mean highly invasive and deleterious to local species (which it is).... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:09, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise all good. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC) Support. Happy with those answers (well, I still think noxious means poisonous). Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, term "noxious" meaning "destructive" applied to Tilapia fish Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:35, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~ by Finetooth on prose

I bring no special knowledge of content to this review, but I can comment on prose, logic, and Manual of Style issues. I made a few minor edits to the article; please revert any you find to be misguided. Here are my questions and suggestions:

General

~~The date of Kner's description is given as 1866 in the lede and in the main text, but 1865 is the date in the infobox. Maybe they refer to different things, naming or describing, not sure.~~

'twas an error. Duly tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy

¶1 "British entomologist William Sharp Macleay named a "curious little fish" collected from the Bremer River, a tributary of the Brisbane River, by one Mr Jameson of Ipswich, Atherinosoma jamesonii in 1884, which was later classified as the same species by Australian ichthyologist James Douglas Ogilby in 1908." – A few too many clauses for comfort. Perhaps "In 1884, British entomologist William Sharp Macleay named a "curious little fish" Atherinosoma jamesonii that had been collected by one Mr Jameson of Ipswich from the Bremer River, a tributary of the Brisbane River. In 1908, Australian ichthyologist James Douglas Ogilby later classified it as the same species as Atherina signata."

'split sentence Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

¶1 "...though it has been split by some into northern signata and southern signifer, with the former found from Ross River northwards and the southern from the Calliope River south. The division occurs at a biogeographic dividing point known as the Burdekin Gap." – The gap isn't a point or a line. In addition to the link, it might be helpful to mention the width of the gap and perhaps briefly describe it.

have called it a "barrier", which it is. Looking for some more notes to embellish... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:57, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

having some trouble finding the dimensions of the savannah (as that's what it is). Might be better on target article page anyway. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

¶1 ~~"were more highly variable than different to each other..." – Different "from" rather than "different to"?~~

Duly tweaked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

¶1 In 1979, Hadfield and colleagues analysed the variations described and felt both species were more highly variable than different to each other, and that no characteristics enabled people to distinguish either species." - To eliminate repeating "variable", "variations", perhaps collapse this to "In 1979, Hadfield and colleagues analysed the variations described and felt that the species could not be distinguished from one another." Or something like that.

This was tricky. I tried rewording, how does that work? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That seems more clear. I took liberties and tweaked it a tiny further bit (spelling and flow). Finetooth (talk) 03:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Description

¶1"Populations north of the Burdekin Gap become larger as they move further north, and exhibit no size difference between sexes." – This sentence might be taken to mean that a particular group of fish grows larger as it migrates north. Maybe "The size of Pacific blue-eyes found north of the Burdekin Gap varies directly with increasing distance from the gap and is the same for both sexes."

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

¶1 "However, south of the Burdekin Gap, the species exhibits marked size difference between sexes, which becomes more pronounced as one moves further south." – The Manual of Style frowns upon using the pronoun "one". Maybe "However, south of the Burdekin Gap, the species exhibits marked size difference between sexes, which becomes more pronounced as the distance from the gap increases."

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:49, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

¶1 ~~Link dorsal fin and pectoral fin?~~

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution and habitat

¶2 ~~"of slower-moving water (less than 20 cm (8 in) per second)" – I'd suggest a pair of em dashes instead of the outer parentheses in order to eliminate double nesting of parentheses.~~

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's all. Finetooth (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Switching to support on prose, as noted above. I have another nitpicky suggestion. The article has two one-sentence orphan paragraphs. My suggestion is to attach the one in the Taxonomy section to the end of the first paragraph of this section and to attach the one in the Description section to the section's other paragraph. My support stands whatever you decide. Finetooth (talk) 15:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, done. I hate one-sentence paras too...but was unsure where to put them... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:53, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nothing worth quibbling about in a great article, although perhaps you should either remove "noxious" or explain why you so describe the mosquito fish Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thx. I added "highly invasive" - "noxious" adds the meaning that it is desctructive to native species and ecosystems Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:03, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) edit

~~Please expand abbreviations in the references - i.e. NSW~~

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I randomly googled three sentences and nothing showed up except mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no copyright violations.

Otherwise everything looks good. (Note I reviewed this article for GA status, so I inspected refs closely then) Ealdgyth - Talk 15:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 12:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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