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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 00:28, 14 June 2009 [1].

Norton Internet Security

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Nominator(s): Tyw7
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I am nominating this for featured article because Norton Internet Security is a popular software made by the world's leading security companySymantec. I think this article have all it takes to be a feature article. It is long, informative, contains good grammar, and is a Good Article. Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 10:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Have you contacted significant contributors to the article? –Juliancolton | Talk 20:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Contacting TechOutsider. Can you list the other contributors below. --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 21:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - Other notable contributors include User:TechOutsider and User:Ched Davis. The edit count tool is extremely useful in determining the major contributors. TechOutsider (talk) 03:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not sure this is ready yet jimfbleak (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • refs are not formatted correctly, random capitalisation, bare urls etc
    • It is unclear to me why refs like Softpedia, Dave Taylor, or the Amazon review by David Jardine are reliable
  • Proposition I think we (the members of WikiProject Software) should make a body of formatting experts, who will go-through the proposed Featuring Article & then contact the major contributors to finalize. And after their confirmation the real nomination should take place (so, even if the article was not been selected, it will go through a thorough formatting, thus increasing the overall quality). Tell me guyz, what you all think about it (I know its a very bad place to discuss this - but not too bad to initiate discussion, later we will create a page for it).
  • Comment,
Well I have no problem with selecting Norton Internet Security for Featuring but jimfbleak does have points.
Tyw7 and all active contributors & leaders - feel free to vandalize my talk page (hey, no! seriously :P ) its getting summer hibernation & I'm going dumb. Poke me with your 'Ideas' - always welcome. I'm tired of mechanical editing :( . – Deb ‖ Poke • EditList ‖ 08:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest discussing this at the Wikiproject Software talkpage - you'll reach more people than by posting here. Wikiproject:Military History (MILHIST) has a similar peer review process, you might like to take hints from that. Note that messing around with things with the intention of getting it to FA and not involving the major editors isn't really an option. Ironholds (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In regards to "FBI cooperation", the only source I see is a response to a hypothetical question. None of the sources are an independent report on whether Symantec detects Magic Lantern or not. If that is the only information there is, it should be more clear. --HamburgerRadio (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replies from User:TechOutsider

  • jimfbleak, thank you for bringing the issues to attention. I will look into them. As for the Softpedia editorials, I believe they are reliable because the Firefox article also references Softpedia. It has been delisted (true), however not because of the references.
  • Ironholds, excellent suggestion. Should I withdraw this article? TechOutsider (talk) 14:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If that is what you and the other nominators want. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think, its getting either serious or humorous - somebody help me understand (no seriously guys, shake each others hand :P ). Ironholds, I mentioned to include Major Contributors - didn't I ? – Deb ‖ Poke • EditList ‖ 19:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • HamburgerRadio, I will be looking into that section. Are you questioning if Symantec really whitelisted ML or not? TechOutsider (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, and also 1) Any product developer that recognizes specific software must have to make several decisions a day about whether to detect possibly misusable tools. Is there a wider perspective that can be provided? Do they usually comply with developers who request that their software not be detected? 2) Is the article for a product, that did not exist at the time the original statement about Magic Lantern was made, the best place to discuss this? Edit: I misunderstood the article and thought the version list was complete. It appears NIS did exist at the time the statement was made. Although I still wonder if a wider perspective than just NIS is appropriate. Also, that means a more complete history of NIS is needed in the article. --HamburgerRadio (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply I will be looking to see if I can find information about earlier editions of Norton Internet Security prior to 2006. Yes, other vendors also whitelisted ML, and I will be adding a broader perspective. TechOutsider (talk) 04:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is a version of NIS earlier than 2006. NIS produced every year with the earliest version in 2000, so that's NIS 2000. --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 09:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a source to confirm that? Because right now a press release from Symantec seems to imply there were even earlier versions. See here; it says NIS00' continues to best competitors. TechOutsider (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At least that was the earliest NIS I could find. NIS 1999 or NIS 1998 brought up no result. --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 17:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the constructive advice. I will be looking into the issues. TechOutsider (talk) 11:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. While this has promise, it's clear it has not been properly prepared and a lot of work needs to be done to get it ready. FAC is not the place to pull the article up to par. Suggest withdrawing to fix up the referencing, eliminate the unacceptable sources, and so on. Please work with the primary editors before renominating. --Laser brain (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. I agree with User:Laser Brain. I only have a netbook currently, which makes correcting mistakes a pain. User:Tyw7 has not edited the article recently; see Revision history of Norton Internet Security. Another fail would be a demerit to the article. TechOutsider (talk) 08:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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