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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 5 January 2023 [1].

Marina Bay MRT station edit

Nominator(s): ZKang123 (talk) 10:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is actually an old GA of mine, promoted back in 2020. Now, with the opening of the Thomson East Coast line, I've greatly expanded the article particularly information on train services and the artworks in the station.

Cheers to the new triple-line interchange station on the Singapore MRT network! ZKang123 (talk) 10:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Steelkamp edit

  • Does Gammon refer to Gammon Construction? If so, I think it should be linked. Steelkamp (talk) 06:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The body should stand on its own. That means that:
    • "The station opened on 4 November 1989 and was the southern terminus of the North South line until the NSL extension to Marina South Pier station opened in 2014." should be changed to "The station opened on 4 November 1989 and was the southern terminus of the North South line (NSL) until the NSL extension to Marina South Pier station opened in 2014." Note that Marina South Pier MRT station is linked as well. Steelkamp (talk) 06:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • "An extension of the CCL to this station was first announced in April 2007." should be changed to "An extension of the Circle line (CCL) to this station was first announced in April 2007." Steelkamp (talk) 06:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • East Coast Parkway is only mentioned once, so the acronym should be removed. Steelkamp (talk) 06:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did all of the above as requested ZKang123 (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The station became an interchange station with the CCL upon the completion of the two-station branch extension to this station from Promenade station in January 2012." This can be changed to "The station became an interchange station with the CCL upon the completion of the two-station branch extension from Promenade station in January 2012." Steelkamp (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Thomson-East Coast Line section confuses me. Is the Thomson–East Coast line the same thing as the Thomson line? This sentence doesn't really make sense then: "On 15 August 2014, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) announced that Marina Bay station would be part of the proposed Thomson–East Coast line (TEL)." Steelkamp (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why is this sentence future tense: "The station will be constructed as part of Phase 3, consisting of 13 stations between the Stevens and Gardens by the Bay stations." Hasn't this already happened? Steelkamp (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed future tense. Changed to "was".
    Well, the TEL was actually planned as two different lines: Thomson Line and East Region Line. Before LTA merged these two projects. ZKang123 (talk) 10:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well in that case, this sentence should be reworded: "On 15 August 2014, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) announced that Marina Bay station would be part of the proposed Thomson–East Coast line (TEL)." I suggest explicitly mentioning the merge of these two projects. Never mind, you reworded that whilst I was writing this. Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hope you like this edit. Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "link way and mined tunnels" mean? Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does CD need to be in brackets when that abbreviation is not used again? Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should slab link to concrete slab? Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "earth-backed, air-backed and airtight walls and slabs" mean? Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "There are also provisions for a future underground pedestrian network, to be converted from a temporary maintenance facility near the station, as well as connections to future developments.[61][59] The tracks leading to the defunct facility were removed in June 2021." Could be reworded. Steelkamp (talk) 07:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rectified much of the above.
    "earth-backed, air-backed and airtight walls and slabs" - I thought it should be obvious enough, basically being reinforced materials. ZKang123 (talk) 13:32, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi ZKang123. Have you addressed all of the reviewers comments? If so, could you ping them to let them know? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Steelkamp any further comments? ZKang123 (talk) 00:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let me get this straight: the August 9 babies artwork was initially installed at the station for the 40th anniversary of the founding of Singapore and was updated for the 50th anniversary? Maybe the dates of the 40th and 50th anniversaries could be added. Also, the first paragraph could be reworded to mention the 40th anniversary first then the updated artwork for the 50th anniversary. Steelkamp (talk) 06:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, actually no. Like the work was created for the 40th anniversary. Then LTA decided to commission him to update the piece for Singapore's 50th. ZKang123 (talk) 06:29, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So the artwork wasn't installed at the station until the 50th? Steelkamp (talk) 06:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes smth like that ZKang123 (talk) 06:36, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added a small amount of additional context for ION Orchard, hope you think that was a good addition. Steelkamp (talk) 06:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article doesn't say where the Flowers in Blossom II artwork is located. Same with Walking Into The Interstitial. Steelkamp (talk) 06:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not specified in source. So I never stated where they were. ZKang123 (talk) 06:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well that's disappointing, but I suppose we have to live with that. Steelkamp (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The first confirmation that the station would be among the Phase I stations (from Ang Mo Kio to this station) came in November that year." Simplify this to "Confirmation that the station would be among the Phase I stations (from Ang Mo Kio to this station) came in November that year." Steelkamp (talk) 06:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done ZKang123 (talk) 07:04, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When was the station renamed from Marina South station? Was it only during planning that the station was called Marina South station? If so, you should change "The station, then named Marina South, ..." to "The station, known during planning as Marina South, ..." or something similar. Steelkamp (talk) 06:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Checking with source, the change was in November 1982 ZKang123 (talk) 07:04, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Shuttle services from Stadium station terminate at Marina Bay during off-peak periods. The shuttle service operates every 5–7 minutes from 6:00 am (6:24 am on Sundays and Public holidays) to 11:25 pm." Change this to "Services from Marina Bay terminate at Stadium station during off-peak periods and continue around the CCL to HarbourFront station during peak. Services operate every 5–7 minutes from 6:00 am (6:24 am on Sundays and Public holidays) to 11:25 pm." Steelkamp (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. ZKang123 (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am inclined to support once that is addressed. Steelkamp (talk) 14:54, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Support. Steelkamp (talk) 03:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments edit

  • "The main challenges of the construction include" => "The main challenges of the construction included"
  • " one of the four stations that participated in Exercise Northstar V" - appreciate there's a link, but it wouldn't hurt to clarify what this was eg " one of the four stations that participated in Exercise Northstar V, a large-scale emergency preparedness exercise"
  • "Contract 886 for the construction of cut and cover tunnels at Marina Bay Area" - previously you wrote "cut-and-cover" with hyphens
  • "This is due to the layers of weak and strong old alluvium" - is there a wikilink for alluvium?
  • "the piles supporting the NSL tunnels have to be" => "the piles supporting the NSL tunnels had to be"
  • "As announced during a visit by Transport Minister S. Iswaran" - don't think you need to give his job title twice in two consecutive sentences. Just using his surname the second time will suffice
  • "6:25 am on Sundays and Public holidays" - no reason for capital P (in two places)
  • That's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rectified above problems. ZKang123 (talk) 10:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to ChrisTheDude. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: Apologies, forgot all about this one. Will take a look this evening....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment edit

More than four weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next two or three days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Steelkamp, Epicgenius, and Mitchazenia: Pinging you as you have all commented on this page. Unless there is some rapid movement towards a consensus to promote, this nomination is going to be archived, so if you have comments or supports, now would be a good time to communicate them. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Epicgenius edit

I will leave some comments here later. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead:
  • "becoming another triple-line interchange on the MRT network." - I would either clarify that Dhoby Ghaut MRT station was the first triple-line interchange or simplify this to "becoming a triple-line interchange".
  • "The station features many forms of artwork as part of the MRT network's Art-in-Transit programme" - Instead of "many forms of artwork", I wonder if "numerous works of art" could be used. Though this might be just a WP:ENGVAR issue.
  • I would also split the sentence "An overhanging flower sculpture Flowers in Blossom II is displayed over the CCL mezzanine, the CCL platforms feature a series of photographs Train Rides on Rainy Days by Nah Yong En and the TEL station features a series of murals Walking Into The Interstitial by Tang Ling Nah." into at least two sentences. Currently, the lead doesn't clearly state how many works of art the station has.
History:
  • "The first confirmation that the station would be among the Phase I stations (from Ang Mo Kio to this station)" - This is a little awkward, as Raffles Place MRT station and City Hall MRT station seem to indicate that Phase I ran from Novena to Outram Park stations.
  • "Due to the soft marine clay, open excavation was not possible." - Does "open excavation" in this context mean cut-and-cover?
  • "A concrete base for the tunnels was then laid with the water pumped out for the tunnels and the station to be built on." - For a minute, this was difficult for me to understand, but I get what this is trying to say. Perhaps something like "A concrete base for the tunnels was then laid. with the water pumped out, upon which the tunnels and the station were to be built."
  • "During the construction, a World War II-era bomb was found at the work site. The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) Bomb Disposal Unit was called and the bomb was safely detonated elsewhere." - Since this is a relatively minor detail, I recommend condensing this into one sentence.
  • "until the NSL extension to Marina South Pier station opened in 2014." - Given that you are describing the CCL extension in detail in the next subsection, I recommend adding a few more details about the NSL extension (e.g. when was it announced, and how much did it cost?).
  • "During the construction, the entrance (Exit A) to the station" - This is somewhat awkward as well. I recommend "During the construction, Exit A"
  • "Marina Bay station was first announced to interchange with the 22-station Thomson line (TSL) on 29 August 2012" - This should be rephrased, e.g. "On 29 August 2012, it was announced that Marina Bay station would interchange with the 22-station Thomson line (TSL)"
  • "at S$425 million" - Should this be "for S$425 million"?
  • "especially as the piles supporting the NSL tunnels have to be cut off for the underground walkways and mined train tunnels" - I'd change "have" to "had" since the project is already complete.
Details:
  • "The station is also within walking distance" - The MRT map specifies this distance (4 minutes), so I'd recommend adding that, but it's not necessary.
  • "11.30 pm" - For consistency with other times that are mentioned in this article, this should be "11:30 pm" with a colon.
  • "A temporary maintenance facility near the station is to be converted" - Any time frame for this? Also, I'd specify in this sentence (rather than in the next sentence) that the facility is closed.
  • "The translucent entrance canopy" - For the CCL, I presume.
  • "but it has been upgraded to include lifts, ramps and dedicated toilets for the disabled" - Do you know which year this happened?
Artworks:
  • "the sculpture was disassembled after ION Orchard was constructed over Orchard station" - What is ION Orchard - is that a development of some kind?
That is all I have for now. I reviewed the "Details" and "Artworks" sections previously, but overall, the article looks to be in good shape. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rectified most of the above.
"The first confirmation that the station would be among the Phase I stations (from Ang Mo Kio to this station)" - This is a little awkward, as Raffles Place MRT station and City Hall MRT station seem to indicate that Phase I ran from Novena to Outram Park stations.
Well, Phase I when first announced actually consist of AMK to this station and two other stations. See source. For the case of City Hall and Raffles Place, it is then specified which segment of Phase I the stations are part of... the full history is a little complicated. But basically: Phase I consists of AMK to Marina Bay (plus Tanjong Pagar and Outram Park), but then it is later decided to open a specific segment of the line from Novena to Outram Park, and Marina Bay is opened later.
No timeframe has been given for the conversion. As for now the facility is defunct.
I'm also not sure exactly when the station is upgraded to include these facilities. ZKang123 (talk) 07:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see now. All of these are minor issues, though, so I'll support on prose. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quick image review by Mitchazenia edit

Just having taken a look at the article, the image templates in the history section are really bulky and make it tough to read. There are no requirements that every platform have a picture in the article. Gallery sections are considered no-nos as well, so my personal suggestion is that we need to break up the templates, pick 1 image for each set and move them to prose. Mitch32(sail away with me to another world.) 01:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did as requested. Added a construction photo for the TEL section ZKang123 (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Still think you should move the photo in the bottom section up to help not have stacked imagery. Mitch32(won't you be my neighbor?) 03:03, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Removed photo instead ZKang123 (talk) 05:24, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I still think the boxy setup is still bulky, but it's much better in its current form. All photos are copyright-legal, 4 self-created by the nominator, 2 by others.Mitch32(won't you be my neighbor?) 02:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I think the image box is fine. Steelkamp (talk) 05:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ultimately this is just my opinion, but I support the article in its current form. If we use those boxes, I personally like them embedded in prose and right-aligned myself. Mitch32(won't you be my neighbor?) 02:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Epicgenius edit

I will do a source review soon. This should mostly consist of formatting and spot checks. I notice that the NewspaperSG website will be unavailable for more than a day starting tomorrow, so I will take that into account.

– Epicgenius (talk) 16:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked and all the newspaper citations to |via=NewspaperSG have this paramter. The other two with the domain are to the Web Archive Singapore... should I put |via=Web Archive Singapore for these cases then? ZKang123 (talk) 01:04, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123, sorry for the delayed response. Yes, you should put |via=Web Archive Singapore in these cases. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:46, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright added. ZKang123 (talk) 14:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Formatting:
  • Ref 29 ("LTA | News Room | News Releases | LTA Awards First Three Civil Contracts for Circle Line 6". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 5 March 2020. Retrieved 21 April 2020.) - The title should probably be just "LTA Awards First Three Civil Contracts for Circle Line 6". Similar issues with these refs:
    • Ref 39 (""LTA | Upcoming Projects | Rail Expansion | Thomson–East Coast Line". Land Transport Authority. 13 February 2020. Archived from the original on 13 February 2020. Retrieved 13 February 2020.)
    • Ref 41 ("LTA | News Room | News Releases | Factsheet: Constructing Thomson–East Coast Line Marina Bay Station: Ground-Freezing Technology". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 21 April 2020. Retrieved 21 April 2020.)
    • Ref 62 ("LTA | Getting Around | Public Transport | Rail Network | Circle Line". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 1 November 2019. Retrieved 22 April 2020.)
  • Ref 49 ( "Marina Bay – Map". SMRT Journeys. SMRT Corporation. Archived from the original on 23 April 2022. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) and ref 50 ("Marina Bay – Exits". SMRT Journeys. Archived from the original on 13 November 2022. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) are from the same website, but one of these has a publisher parameter, and the other doesn't. Can you check throughout the article to see whether citations to the SMRT Journey website consistently have (or don't have) the publisher field?
– Epicgenius (talk) 21:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed all of the above. ZKang123 (talk) 08:53, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. For consistency, can you add an access-date to ref 57 ("List of public CD shelters" (PDF). Singapore Civil Defence Force.")? You have access-dates for all the other {{Cite web}} refs. My internet is acting up right now, so I won't be able to get to the spot checks until tomorrow, my time. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:07, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added access date. ZKang123 (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More formatting issues:
  • Add publication dates to these references:
    • Ref 16 (Dhaliwal, Rav. "East-enders get ticket to ride as MRT opens line". The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings. p. 23. Retrieved 21 April 2020 – via NewspaperSG.)
    • Ref 22 ("Award Of Contract For CCL Marina Bay Station". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 31 December 2013 – via Web Archive Singapore.)
    • Ref 25 ( "The extension on Circle Line opens with two events held concurrently at Bayfront Station and Esplanade Xchange". SMRT Corporation. Archived from the original on 22 April 2020. Retrieved 22 April 2020.) - The reference doesn't say the date separately, but the text of the reference says "today, Saturday, 14 January 2012"
    • Ref 29 ("LTA Awards First Three Civil Contracts for Circle Line 6". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 5 March 2020. Retrieved 21 April 2020.)
    • Ref 30 ("First Circle Line 6 contracts worth S$1.75b awarded by LTA". Channel NewsAsia. Mediacorp. Archived from the original on 5 March 2020. Retrieved 21 April 2020.)
    • Ref 36 (Goy, Priscilla. "Thomson-East Coast Line to run through estates in the east including Marine Parade". The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings. Retrieved 25 November 2022.)
    • Ref 43 ("Written Reply by Minister for Transport Ong Ye Kung to Parliamentary Question on Updates on Thomson East Coast Line, Jurong Region Line and Cross Island Line". Ministry of Transport. Archived from the original on 17 May 2021. Retrieved 17 May 2021.)
    • Ref 46 ("Factsheet: Thomson – East Coast Line Stage 3 to Open for Passenger Service from 13 November 2022". Land Transport Authority. Retrieved 7 October 2022.)
  • Ref 43 should be marked as a dead link.
  • Ref 75 ("August 9 Babies". eastpix.com. 19 May 2021. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) - Who is the publisher of eastpix.com? Is it the personal website of one of the artists?
Spot checks:
  • Ref 2 ("Marina Bay MRT Station (CE2)". OneMap. Singapore Land Authority. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) - No issues.
  • Ref 11 (Soon Neo, Lim (8 April 1986). "Joint venture wins last big MRT deal". The Business Times. Singapore Press Holdings. p. 3. Retrieved 21 April 2020 – via NewspaperSG.) - No issues, but you should clarify that the 900 metres of tunnels are separate from the station.
  • Ref 16 (Dhaliwal, Rav. "East-enders get ticket to ride as MRT opens line". The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings. p. 23. Retrieved 21 April 2020 – via NewspaperSG.) - No issues.
  • Ref 22 ("Award Of Contract For CCL Marina Bay Station". Land Transport Authority. Archived from the original on 31 December 2013 – via Web Archive Singapore.) - No issues.
  • Ref 28 ("Speech by Mr Lui Tuck Yew at visit to DTL1 Chinatown Station on 17 January 2013". Ministry of Transport. 17 January 2013. Archived from the original on 28 August 2021. Retrieved 16 April 2022.) - No issues.
  • Ref 33 ("Thomson Line to open from 2019 with 22 stations". Channel NewsAsia. Mediacorp. 30 August 2012. Archived from the original on 30 August 2012. Retrieved 30 June 2021.) - No issues.
  • Ref 36 (Goy, Priscilla. "Thomson-East Coast Line to run through estates in the east including Marine Parade". The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings. Retrieved 25 November 2022.) - No verification issues, but see my comment about dates above.
  • Ref 52 ("MRT System Map" (PDF). Land Transport Authority. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) - No issues.
  • Ref 66 ("World Architecture Festival 2012 awards shortlist announced". Dezeen. 18 July 2012. Archived from the original on 6 May 2019. Retrieved 22 April 2020.) - This reference only cites the fact that the station was shortlisted for the award (it was one of several finalists, but it did not win the award). Ref 61 ("Marina Bay Station, Singapore, Republic of". World Buildings Directory. Archived from the original on 20 October 2012. Retrieved 6 July 2013.) also says the station was shortlisted.
  • Ref 70 ("More MRT stops ready for disabled". The Straits Times. Singapore Press Holdings. 24 December 2002. p. 1. Retrieved 15 November 2022.) - I think this can be used to cite "Wider fare gates allow wheelchair users to access the station more easily" (the second use of this reference), but it does not cite "The NSL station was built without accessible facilities, but it has been upgraded to include lifts, ramps and dedicated toilets for the disabled" (the first use of this reference).
– Epicgenius (talk) 14:42, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rectified above problems. Not sure about eastpix, but it's likely by the publisher. ZKang123 (talk) 07:13, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Eastpix is likely Tay Kay Chin's website, but that is a relatively minor issue. I haven't seen any other issues regarding citations, so I am passing the source review. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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