Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jocko Thompson/archive1

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The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 12:30, 27 September 2010 [1].

Jocko Thompson edit

Featured article candidates/Jocko Thompson/archive1

Nominator(s): — KV5 • Talk • 18:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe that it meets the criteria. In the period of time since this passed its good article nomination, I have done additional research on this player and have not found any further information beyond what's currently in the article. Thus, I believe it to be complete, fully referenced, and of featured quality. This is my second go-round through the FA process (my first try was a dismal failure), and I'm hoping that this one turns out well; if passed, it would obviously be my first successful FAC. I'll try to address all comments as expediently as possible. Thanks in advance to all reviewers. — KV5 • Talk • 18:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. No problems with dablinks. ~~; the external link to http://gonu.com/baseball/archives/results.htm produces "We're sorry, the page you are looking for cannot be found."~~ PL290 (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done; they updated the format of their website so only the URL needed to be changed. — KV5 • Talk • 19:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - My Google search of Phil Nordyke's More Than Courage, a history of the 504th, shows that Thompson is mentioned about a dozen times. My copy is in storage, but I seem to remember he's mentioned in some detail. Have you looked at this source? If not, I don't think this is comprehensive as of yet. Skinny87 (talk) 19:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't; in multiple searches for sources, I didn't even turn up that such a source existed. I guess a trip to the library is in order. — KV5 • Talk • 19:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- And my county library system does not have this book. Without having the funds available to purchase it, I guess this is bound to fail unless someone with the source can help out. — KV5 • Talk • 19:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Let me see what I can do about this, although it could take up to a week to get a hold of Nordyke. Ironically, I was only lookig at it yesterday. For the moment, Amazon.co.uk allows you to look inside the book. You can use the index to find where he's mentioned and scroll through the book. Skinny87 (talk) 19:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Great, fantastic. I'll check that out sometime in the next day or two. — KV5 • Talk • 20:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'll also mlook at my other books, but I'd suggest finding some more books on the 504th and the US airborne in general; I don't think his military career is sufficiently covered as of yet. Skinny87 (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        I'll see what I can do. As this article is both WP:MLB and WP:MILHIST, it's a little bit complicated. Being primarily a baseball editor who just happens to have a passing interest in military history, I don't really have those resources readily available to me. But, like I said, I'll have a go at what I can find and see if I can expand it. I honestly thought I had found all of the information that there was to find. — KV5 • Talk • 11:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(od) Hey, no problem - I'd have had the exact same problem in reverse if I'd tried to get this to FA. I'll see what I can dig up in the next week or so, no worries. Skinny87 (talk) 13:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments -
What makes http://www.baseballinwartime.com/player_biographies/thompson_jocko.htm a reliable source?
- Baseball in Wartime was asked about at WP:RSN before using it as a source prior to the GA nom. It was determined to be reliable, and the author, Gary Bedingfield, is notable specifically for writing about this field (baseball during WWII). — KV5 • Talk • 14:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, but FA requires 'high quality' sources, does this meet that standard? Ealdgyth - Talk 14:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - I believe that it does, considering the field of expertise of the author. I'm not sure what assurance you're looking for that it's a high-quality source. — KV5 • Talk • 15:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This book looks to have some stuff of use.
And he's at least mentioned in this.

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: Military award images are verifiably in the public domain. The bridge photo is appropriately licensed. Jocko is dead and conceivably there can be no free replacement available unless someone releases their shot into the public domain. Possibilities include John Comier's photos and bubble gum cards[2][3] if Bowman Gum had failed to renew the copyright registrations. Regardless, the fair use (to identify a dead subject and who is unlikely to have a public domain photo) is likely appropriate. Jappalang (talk) 22:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- - Baseball cards are copyrighted by their company, especially those early bowman cards, so they can't be fair use. Secret ^account 23:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: File:Jocko Thompson.jpg doesn't have a license (!!!) (WP:IUP/NFCC#6/NFCC#B) Эlcobbola _talk 15:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs substantial work, and it's unclear to me that it meets GA criteria. MOS cleanup and a thorough survey of the relevant literature is needed. I will recuse and review this FAC if no one else gets to it, but suggest a peer review is a better next step, and the nomination should be withdrawn. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sorry to oppose but I agree with SandyGeorgia, too soon after GA nomination. Here's some comments why.
After attending Northeastern University, Thompson appeared as a situational pitcher and spot starter during the 1948, 1949, and 1950 seasons with the Phillies, and went 4–8 in his only season as a regular member of the team's starting rotation. Run-on, and link doesn't explain what a situational pitcher does, unclear to a non baseball reader.
"fast ball specialist" - it means he only pitches fastballs?
one of six Major League Baseball players to attend the school. Trivia
During his tenure (1938–1940), the Huskies won 31 games and lost 14, accumulating a .689 winning percentage. - Doesn't explain nothing about Thompson's contributions to the team, what was his factor.
Thompson entered the Army of the United States in 1941 Why? Was he drafted?
"showed no desire to fight ... [and] ran away". Does the book explains why?
Why he was giving a field commission?
Why didn't the Red Sox didn't restrain Thompson's rights.
The information about Konstanty is irrelavent, you have to explain why the Phillies took an interest in Thompson instead of Konstanty, especially that is record is poor.
Are his uniform number irrelavent, I don't see any other baseball FA that describes their baseball uniform number, though the Major League career section is rather good for a player with little playing time.
I'm surpriced theres no sourcing on the Sporting News anywhere in the article, they usually give a gold mine of information of players like Thompson.
- I don't see it as comprensive enough, you could turn a backup article into an FA (that's what I did with Ben Paschal, but the article seems lacking in places for me. That's why I have to oppose. Secret ^account 23:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All right, go ahead and withdraw the nomination. As always, my work doesn't seem to be FA caliber. — KV5 • Talk • 12:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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