Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gregory House/archive3

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 01:17, 30 September 2008 [1].

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Gregory House

Nominator(s): Music2611 (talk)

previous FAC (23:17, 22 December 2007)

This good article is about the main character on the television show House. It wasn't promoted when it was nominated earlier due to User:Nergaal having two open FA candidates.--Music26/11 11:27, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Per the WP:FAC instructions, did you consult Saranghae honey (talk · contribs) before nominating this article? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

No, why? --Music26/11 14:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Per the edit count tool, Saranghae honey has the highest number of edits to the article and is therefore apparently the main contributor. Sandy is asking if you (with only five edits) contacted them first, which the FAC instructions say you should do. María (habla conmigo) 16:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Does the image Image:HouseGregoryHouse.png contain significantly greater information than is contained in the free image Image:Hugh Laurie Actors Guild.jpg ? Fasach Nua (talk) 12:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, most importantly, the cane, if you can find me a free image of Hugh Laurie with a walking cane, than I think that image will be appropriate.--Music26/11 14:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - while it's an excellent start, there's some grammar issues ("...to give him ketamine treatment...", et al), and the article has no information about the reception of the character. Furthermore the 'characterization' section goes into minutiae which is irrelevant to a reader trying to understand the character. Other comments: Image:HouseRightDamagedLeg.JPG needs a Fair Use Rationale to comply with NFCC, but I don't think it significantly aids our understanding of the topic--the prose says his leg was scarred from surgery, I'm not really sure we need a nonfree image to reinforce that. That said, in reply to Fasach Nua above, it's important to have a actual shot of the character as he appears in the fictional medium, not just the actor; I'll set about improving the rationale. -Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 13:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: Em dashes should not be spaced, although spaced en dashes can be used for parenthesis.--Grahame (talk) 14:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Current ref 2 needs a source for the information.
• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • http://www.languagemonitor.com/
  • http://blogcritics.org/
• Current ref 7 (House and Holmes...) is lacking a last access date and publisher at the very least. (The publisher shouldn't be given in the link)
• Current ref 26 needs a publisher and last access date at the very least.
• Current ref 40 (Wittler...) is lacking a publisher.

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. How could this article be stable with the show still ongoing and the character still developing?--ragesoss (talk) 03:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that could be a big problem. His character has already pretty much developed and its not like we learn something new in every episode. The only time it would need updating is after some really big milestones occur, and these are very rare and only happen towards the end of some seasons.

But nonetheless: Very weak oppose - Sorry, but if I had to make the decision myself, there is no way this could be FA just yet. As much as I love Greg House, and the series itself, the article (though good) lacks some additional shine and features in my opinion. First and foremost, the lead is a little short. You should definitely expand the description of his character in the lead, rather than just putting it into brief wording. Expanding on it would give a higher understanding of the character, which is really needed in the lead. Remember, House's character is what he is always sanctioned for; you should really try to portray this as much as you can in the lead. And I wouldn't mind seeing the whole cane and vicodin issue in the lead either as it is something which has also really sanctioned the character, along with his clear medical genius feature. Additionally, the biography and characterization section lacks information just like the lead. It seems that you have made the article very brief and basic. The content is not really the problem; it is all relevant and inclusive, but you need to expand on it. For a quick example, you really need to go into more detail about how Greg takes the Vicodin continuously without reason sometimes due to a clear addiction which he refuses to admit in some cases. You could also expand his on his many near death situations etc, and how his only friend is Wilson, as he really neglects to call anyone else his friend and vice-versa. Basically, it kind of fails the content criteria as it neglects some information. Hope this helps. Domiy (talk) 03:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Comment on your comments

I've tried to improve the article, a reception section has been started (although it still requiers a bit more expansion), most of your requests have been answered. Take a look.--Music26/11 16:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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