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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 00:01, 18 March 2008.

Final Fantasy V edit

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This article has seen a long gestation, and has improved to its present condition with the help of Hibana and others. It is comprehensive, covers the story well, and should be ready for Featured Status. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Co-nom/support—been a while since I helped this article, but it still looks pretty good. Could probably use some polishing, but Spring Break is coming up...— Deckiller 01:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? If you going to be on spring break, how can you co-nominate it, doesn't that mean your not going to be around, and isn't that the point of co-noming? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary; I'm going to be home a lot. — Deckiller 01:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, awesome!! :) Great to have you back! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support seems good enough. Another great FF article. igordebraga ≠ 22:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though I wish some of the paragraphs in the plot section are chopped up for better readibility. Manderiko (talk) 13:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Speaking of the plot section, I think it should be trimmed a little. One of the images could probably be cut too. I'd remove the last image depicting Exdeath's death, as it doesn't really seem to illustrate its purpose. The Prince (talk) 16:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm kind of at a loss for what to trim from the plot section. I am afraid if I cut any part of it, the whole thing wont make sense, since not much of it seems tangential or overly detailed. I'm sure Deck and others may find something, but if you could I'd love a suggestion or two of what needs to be cut. Thanks! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd leave that one actually, since it's the only one in the article that shows what the FMV's look like. I'd take out the Galuf death one or the fan translation one; neither one shows something that the other pictures don't (besides English letters, and I think we know what that looks like). --PresN (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I trimmed out the Galuf death picture, at least the last game image shows the FMV that was added. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Should the screenshots taken from the unofficial English SNES version be replaced with screenshots from the official (Japanese) version? Also this sentence should be clarified: "The main cast from the game, now regarded as great heroes, only make a cameo toward the end of the story." The anime takes place two centuries after the game, so how can the cast of the game appear? Are they immortal? FightingStreet (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I honestly have not idea if they can be used or not...any experts out there? Also, someone clarified that weirdly phrased sentence. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think there is any problem with it, as in this case the fan translation itself has some notability and is even referenced within the article. I have, however, trimmed down two images thus far to better comply with the requirement for only using crucial fair use images. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • The problem is that the notability of the fan translation isn't established clearly in the article. The website of the fan translation and another fansite are cited but that's not enough. They should be replaced with actual reliable sources. Seiken Densetsu 3 even cites a written book for its fan translation, so it shouldn't be too difficult. FightingStreet (talk) 18:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Planned work—It's been a while since I've read the page, but I'll try to give it a copy-edit, maybe work a bit with the story section, and add some refs. — Deckiller 18:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose:

  • "The Job System is a defining feature of Final Fantasy V" I haven't played this game, but this doesn't make sense to me. The job system is in every FF game, so how can it define FFV? If anything, it's defines the series. I haven;t played many FF games, so correct me if I'm wrong.
  • You probably already know this, but the article could do with more references.
  • Make a decision between BrE and AmE, as there's "dialogue", and then "localization" further down the article.
  • "Setting" is probably too long. Such things like "If anyone goes to the nearby Valley of Dragons, a ceremony consisting of three Kelb in a line running around in circles is performed in the hopes that the adventurers will return safely." seems like trivia to me.
  • Maybe I'm missing something, but the first paragraph in "Characters" consists mainly of one giant sentence. I'm no expert on grammar, but can't some of these semi-colons be replaced with full stops?
  • Story simply just needs to be cut down, especially as in-universe context is provided in the prior sections. It has this X-meets Y and then goes to location z sort of structure. I mean, this line for example: "Galuf, suddenly realizing that he needs to go there without knowing why, accompanies her." I really don't know where to start with that one.
  • Tell me if I've got this wrong, but shouldn't the full stop be after the quotation marks here? Translator Ted Woolsey explained in a 1994 interview, "it's just not accessible enough to the average gamer." Look over the other quotes if this is the case.
  • "was released on the internet". Shouldn't "Internet" be capitalised?
  • "It is often cited as the first RPG to be completely translated by fans.[32]" But you provide only one reference, so how does that confirm "often"?
  • "Uematsu had originally intended the game to include more than one hundred pieces of music, but reduced the total." Any indication of why this happened?
  • Reception section is short and basic. I mean it's structured into consecutive quotes by different reviewers.
  • In ref 1 use "language=Japanese" instead of what's used now.
  • On ref 9, an author isn't listed even though one is stated in the source. It also gives the date as a year, even though the full date is stated in the source
  • Same for RPGamers. Please check all refs

Needs a big copyedit. A decent article, but not deserving of FA yet. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Good feedback and points; however, no offense, but I had already said that I would be giving the article a much needed copy-edit. To clarify, I haven't done any work on the article yet. — Deckiller 18:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • None taken. Drop a note when you think they've been addressed and I'll have another look. Cheers. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Several sources used in the article are not reliable (fansites, blogs, etc.): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. FightingStreet (talk) 18:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Some of those sources seem reasonable; most are definitely poor sources, but others can probably be kept. I'll have to see what they are being cited for. — Deckiller 18:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes: some of the sources are missing data (like last accessdate and publisher) and you don't have to say in English on the sources: this is the English wiki. There are some problems with puncutation on image captions (see WP:MOS#Captions, the difference between sentence fragments and full sentences), and I saw some WP:PUNC issues with the punctuation on quotes. Concerned about the list of sources above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I and Deck will begin to work on it soon, I'm just finishing up on FFXI, both very busy FAC's :) Good think Sandy stopped my 3rd nomination! :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologize for not getting to this yet! It's been a busy week, what with the release of my first RPG Maker game and all. Still time during Spring Break! — Deckiller 16:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just hope they don't close this first :( Judgesurreal777 (talk) 05:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I haven't been able to conduct a thorough review, but I have found a few issues:

  • The review scores listed--it is important to specify which version of the game they are of, as they look like GBA scores, but there's no way for me or the reader to be completely sure.
  • I don't see a source for the Final Fantasy Extreme info; if it has one, inline cite it there.
  • The average reader (and by reader, I mean me) has no idea what a "memo-save" is; per the guidelines on gaming jargon here, it should be clarified.

--Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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