User talk:YellowMonkey/Archive18

Monty, and the cricket project

Hi there! Thank you very much for your comments regarding the Panesar entry. It was getting a touch silly as an article, and i had noticed more and more conjecture and supposition creeping in. I'd be delighted to get involved in the wikiproject you speak of. How do i do that? I'm very much a newbie to wikipedia, but i believe in it as a concept and would be happy to be involved. I noted also that you have 111 members. It would be my pleasure to take the score past nelson...

) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robinwillott (talk • contribs)

I see that you have enlisted to the participants list. Great! WT:CRIC is the discussion area and WP:CRIC is the noticeboard. Blnguyen | rant-line 01:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Some cake for you!

Hi Blnguyen, thanks for the birthday greetings! Please have some of my real life brithday cake (which doesn't exist anymore *sob*) :P Cheers!! --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 11:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

snotty

snottygobble the admin has had a message (number 1 on his talk) from what i think is a s-poppet wondering if you could have a look if youre not too busy. thanks SatuSuro 14:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi SatuSuro. I noted that Bpazolli the puppetmaster posted the contents of his failed RfA on his userpage, with his own commentary, in which he labels User:Aksi great a terrorist. So I took the liberty of extending the block indefinitely, as I can't see anything remotely serious about his article contribs or his debating on AfDs. I also blocked the other gentleman you referred me to on Snottygobble's page. From his contribs he can only he a scok, a meatpuppet real-life friend from high school or a spoofer. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Clearly this guy is here for a bit of a lark - writing hoax articles, making tongue-in-cheek AfDs, running sockpuppets, attacking people. My patience was wearing a bit thin. I hadn't blocked indefinitely because of a few good faith edits. But I agree that on balance this guy was detrimental to the encyclopaedia, and support your block. Thanks, it's good to have some fresh eyes on the situation. Snottygobble 01:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

While you're doing me favours, I've had to walk away from the edit-warring at Psephos, having become too involved (and angry) to be constructive. Review and considered action by an uninvolved admin is desperately needed. Snottygobble 02:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Snottygobble 03:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, it is appreciated SatuSuro 07:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Suma Ching Hai

Stop attacking a real Buddha. You are anti-Buddha. Stop worshipping demons. Sumachinghaidisciple 04:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's another thing to be archived to User:Blnguyen#Accusations. I disagree with your characterisation, and I am here to enforce WP:NPOV. If these things didn't happen, then they wouldn't need to be documented. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thiruvananthapuram & Kerala related articles

Blnguyen, there is an edit war going on these articles .Though , I am not personally involved ; my edits too are getting reverted .Pls take a look at that. Bharatveer 04:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

You can simply fix that up now that AINiko has been blocked for four days for 5,4 and 5RR for Kerala, Kochi and TVM. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Alniko

Dear Blnguyen, I have seen your comment on Alniko. Please understand that he started vandalising all TVM pages, removing technopark pictures, removing data etc. Now he has started editing the largest city. This discussion already happened in Kerala Talk page, months ago. Please see those discussions.

-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 05:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I can see that he doesn't have consensus. Thanks for pointing it outBlnguyen | rant-line 05:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Bpazolli

This is me taking the first step towards resolving the dispute.

1) You deleted me without time for me to respond I was blocked and if I logged into my account my IP is blocked.

2) I was unaware that posting a failed RFA on my user page was not allowed.

3) Someone added an edit warning to my user page, I couldn't edit it I was blocked.

4) User Pages have an allowable level of humour, look at your user page. If you felt I went too far, I would of been happy to change it, but I didn't have the chance.

5) You say that I have made no serious wikipedia edits, but I have look at my contributions. I admit that I am still fairly new but I am making a good amount of edits or at least were.

6) Not a point about the reason you deleted by account, but claims that I started a hoax RFA don't make sense. I started it for me, I thought I had a reasonable chance. As well, the 3RR rule I was not aware of and I had a question about why it kept being taken off, see the RFA discussion page.

7) I want to apologize about my terroist remark, I did not know anything about this user when I made it and it unfortunate that he comes from that part of the world. However, his comments about my beliefs and the queen were inflamentary and unhelpful, if he can't take a bad response when he posts bad comments, then he souldn't say anything. I'm afraid that all of you are taking a bit too seriously. However, I take comments about the Queens very personally.

Finally, please respond, and don't delete this account I will not make any posts unrelated to the reinstatement of my account. One more thing, deleting accounts, mainly Lord Protector and HRH MJW, as sockpuppets of me, just because we agree on a couple of matters isn't fair. HRH MJW was created before bpazolli and Lord Protector was created as a result of his deletion and he has made his own contributions and articles. Though I do enjoy, you thinking that I have such a large influence. -- Bp2000 13:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed some serious edits mixed amongst all the tomfoolery, so I am going to lift the indefinite block and replace it with a 14 day block (extended from the seven day blocks). If you don't evade it with sockpuppets, then the block won't be reset and you can start participating again in 14 days. User pages are allowed to be humourous but attacking other users is not permissible, which is why your commentary about Aksi_great is not acceptable. I am not worried about posting your RfA on the userpage. Your RfA was not a "hoax" but many people are wondering as to whether it was in good-faith/serious, or a joke. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jdas07.

I figured these users were sockpuppets. This would make the person in a much grosser violation of the 3RR on Pashtun people. Would you be able to do the blocking? —Khoikhoi 02:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks again for the help! —Khoikhoi 03:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. So is he leaving Wikipedia? —Khoikhoi 00:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Cricket admins

I don't believe that User:Jguk was ever an admin. I recall him being approached but he declined (wisely I suspect, as he was heavily involved in the BC/CE era wars at the time. He also had an unfavourable RfC ruling as a result of same). -- I@n 04:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Yeah I think so, but I've got a rotten cold at the moment and so I don't think I'll be online a lot over the next few days. I'll probably do it next week. I also need to get my guts up. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 06:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hitler Pic

you deleted the pic here but another version exists at Image:Image-Adolf_Hitler_Bigger.jpg. -- Agathoclea 08:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Best. Photo. Ever. alphaChimp ^laudare 11:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Gender

Are you male or female? I would like to know so I can make sure I'm using the correct pronoun when referring to you. BhaiSaab ^talk 21:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Male.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wangi/RFA

Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thankyou for your message! I feel very welcomed :)Teebs101 03:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Your're welcome.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yuvraj Singh, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks

Thanks for looking in to the issue of Alniko promptly and for the apt actions taken. Btw, i am looking for an editor, which make my wiki editions easier. Can you help me in that ?

Regards, -- Rajith Mohan :) ^{(Talk to me...)} 08:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello Rajitmohan. What is it precisely that you mean by "wiki editions". Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Apropos totally nothing

This is just something which occurred to me a moment ago, and since you've got a modicum of Vietnamese you might know the answer. The Long Tan article lists the place as being written just like that, without the diacritics that (to my totally untrained eye) appear to turn up almost every second letter to mark tones and such in Vietnamese. Is that actually how it's spelled, or are there diacritics that nobody's added? BigHaz 10:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll put it in there. There are some. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

Barnstar

Thanks so much for the barnstar! I have to say, I hadn't realized that I had done that much until I read your recent summary. Also, I couldn't be happier with how the RfA is going, thanks again for such a great nominating write-up! -- Deville (Talk) 18:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Terrorists of Pakistani origin AfD needs some moderation

Hi Blnguyen,

The discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrorists of Pakistani origin and its talk page could use the intervention of a cool-headed third party. Users from both sides have accused opponents of incivility, and of course I think only one of those sides is right ;). Do you have the time/inclination to step in? Thanks, Clayoquot ^Sound 06:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

If it isn't already closed...Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

A smile for you...

Michael has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Roots of Kochi-Thiruvananthapuram Edit war

Dear Blnguyen

First let me state to avoid any confusion, I and User:Alniko are fellow graduate students at the same institute.

I am writing on behalf of User:Alniko who has been unfairly blocked. He never got a chance to say what he wanted to. On the other hand the blocking gave a free hand to User:Rajithmohanand User:Sathyalal who concertedly edit Kochi, Thiruvananthapuram and Kerala pages to insert false data.

Habit of posting false data by User:Rajithmohan

User:Rajithmohan is a habitual manipulator of Wikipages. This has been pointed out many times by many others line User:Manu krishnan. A patent example of such manipulation is seen if you see the editing of Thiruvananthapuram by User:Rajithmohan dated

(cur) (last) 09:03, 6 July 2006 User:Rajithmohan(Talk | contribs) [1] A screenshot of the manipulated Thiruvanthapuram page is given below.

File:Screenshottvi4.png

The population is stated as 1.3 million. If you click on the link cited it shows the population as 1 million.

Screenshot of the weblink cited as reference for population data in the above Thiruvanthapuram page.

File:Screenshotrlf3.png

Several times User:Alniko had pointed out this, but he was confronted with false accusation of vandalism and threats of being reported as a vandal.

As User:Alniko pointed out to me users User:Rajithmohan supported by User:Sathyalal and at times User:Samaleks went onto revert to this FALSE version many times as you can verify by following the edits after 09:03, 6 July 2006 of the Thiruvananthapuram page.

However they forced to edit out the vandalism after this manipulation of Wikipedia reached websites.

The reason for this edit as User:Alniko told me is that there is lot of parochial political activity in Thiruvananthapuram against Kochi. User:Alniko is ready to send you news reports available at websites of established Indian newspapers. User:Rajithmohan and User:Sathyalal seem to be acting with this motivation. They have been trying to edit the Kochi, Kerala and Thiruvananthapuram pages to glorify Thiruvananthapuram by adding blatant lies like above stated ones and to show Kochi in poor light.

User:Alniko got to know about this distortion of Kochi, Kerala and Thiruvananthapuram pages from User:Manu krishnan and has been active in neutralizing the vandalism spread by User:Rajithmohan, User:Sathyalal and a couple of others.

Request to Administrators

User:Alniko requests you to keep a constant vigil on Kochi, Kerala and Thiruvananthapuram pages to prevent manipulations by political gangs.

User:Alniko would like to add more data on Kochi's population data which has been deliberately distorted by User:Rajithmohan and User:Sathyalal. User:Alniko requests you to remove the block on him and allow him to state his case with solid factual data.

Hello sir. I stand by my block. It was for name calling ("vandal") and revert-warring. The concept of largest city is being disputed, so nobody is exempt from 3RR as there is not clearcut vandalism. thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

Blnguyen, actually, the largest city stuff isnt disputed. Kochi is indeed the 2nd largest city in Kerala. It is just that the truth is different from popular opinion, which considers Kochi to be the largest [2]. Alniko just doesnt want it to be mentioned on the Kochi page that it is the 2nd largest city. Quoting him, he considers it a disgrace that I, dispite being from Kochi myself, support the political coolies who manipulate wikipedia. And he sends me this link, when I just thanked him for errasing those posts from his other blogs ([3] and [4]). I know, like Khoikhoi said, this stuff truely belongs at WP:LAME.-- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}07:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well it's disputed by a small minority of possibly only one which is what I meant when Alniko claimed exemption from 3RR due to the alleged vandalsim by others. Blnguyen | rant-line 01:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Alniko

Apparently he doesn't know when to quit. You blocked him for 96 hours. So. Now we have a user named KALM who claims he's a "fellow graduate student" who is friends with Alniko. Either that's the case and it's a meatpuppet situation or KALM is simply a sock of Alniko. Going to block KALM indefinitely and double Alniko's block. If you feel like we should go through CheckUser first, be my guest, but I think this is pretty clear cut. --Woohookitty^(meow) 10:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree woohookitty , RFCU isn't necessary as it doesn't differentiate socks and two meatpuppets using the same University computing suite. I'm fine with the extension.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Alniko

Hi Blnguyen, Thanks for the help exerted to stop the vandalism in the pages of Thiruvananthapuram, Kochi and Kerala. But now he has created a new id KALM and started the same job again, mocking all of us.

Also what he has reported is not correct. Even if you look at the edit history the issue was not relating to 1 million or 1.3 in the talk he has mentioned. I was seeing the same as 1 million for many days before this real issue has started. I do not think I have ever edited this part. What Alniko was trying to do was to remove many other positive facts about Trivandrum, including the technopark pictures, information on RGCB etc. Also he has started this largest city editing racently. We have already discussed this in Kerala Talk page months before(still the information is there). We have added the largest city and largest UA based on those discussions and also based on the populations from official data. Most of the data is given there with citations. Also please go through the edit history for past two weeks, observe what he was editing. Many times he was trying to warn the users saying that if he was not allowed to edit what he wants 'things will go back to where it started', some kind of threat.

See Kerala Talk Page to learn more on this issue..

Also Alniko is running several blogs with hate against the city. Please look at the blog sites mentioned by the users in his(Alniko) talk page. Those blogs will show his hate against the city. In those hate sites also he has mentioned this wiki issue.

And also many of the users warning him are not from either of those cities/or some are from Kochi itself.

I do not think that the majority of users are trying to put one city up or down. I think what Alniko should understand is that this is a fact box and not promotion box. Also he is accussing others for non existing matters, at the same time he is doing what he is accussing against the others.

Also whatever data he claims to have can be put in wiki for discussion so that all users can comment on those or expose the truths.

-- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 11:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

After the above mentioned reference on the blogs, Alniko has removed the reference of wiki from the blog

Now he started spoiling data from the ip 203.199.213.66 :Looks like he is teasing all of us

-- Sathyalal

Hi Sathya. Yes, looks like he removed the blog, but now that he has shown such strong feelings (which I didn't read), people will scrutinise him a lot more and he has probably made it more difficult to get the changes to the three articles that he wants. Looks like Woohookitty has taken care of the sock. He looks hopelessly outnumbered anyway so why worry? Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

TfD

I know you're often quite busy, so I hat to have to bother you. I was closing TfD nominations, when I came across Template:Libdempic. I know nothing of image copyright, and normally avoid it like the plague. The consensus of the nomination is to delete the template. However, it is transcluded in many image pages. I don;t know which copyright license should be used. If you could please let me know which license should be used in the images where this template is transcluded, I could go and change them all before I delete the template. Thank you for your time, ЯyanGerbil10(The people rejoice!) 02:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ryan. I'd say it was {{promotional}}. I was using the same one for the United States Olympic Committee protraits of athletes like Image:Ryan Lochte.jpg. The texts within the tags seem almost identical. I am pretty shaky in general about pics though, but I'm sure of this one. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

While "promotional" does cover these images, the summary needs to give the source of the images. Template:Libdempic made it clear the image was from the UK Liberal Democrat party. If you are replacing the template with the generic promotional image one, surely you need to also add a note that the image is from the Lib Dems? JRawle (Talk) 16:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course, you need to include the website - eg I used http://www.usocpressbox.org Blnguyen | rant-line 01:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shanthakumaran Sreesanth, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Nice expansion Blnguyen. Always fun to read your articles. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 06:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

wikibreak

Taking some time off the 'pedia.Bakaman _Bakatalk 14:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I hope it is less stressful.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Are you online right now? —Khoikhoi 02:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol, nice. Could you semi-protect the Karamanlides article? The banned user User:Iasson keeps trolling the article under the numerous socks, the latest of which, Csilofagos, has not been blocked yet.

BTW, I noticed that you've been getting involved in the little Kerala dispute. I have to say that this is one of the dumbest edit wars I've ever seen! This whole "my city is bigger than yours!" belongs at WP:LAME. I'm sure that the averge reader probably cares more about the city itself than it's size compared to other ones. Anyways, that's the reason why I've had those pages off my watchlist for a long, long time. —Khoikhoi 02:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Khoikhoi. I'm in a lot of Indian disputes, only as a regulator for NPA, civil and edit-warring. I haven't expressed any editorial opinion on them at all. Probably a good thing.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, a very good thing. :) —Khoikhoi 03:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Khoikhoi 02:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Arrrghhh, now he's stalking me. —Khoikhoi 02:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

naaah...you are an impotent wikipedian. So you are dismissed. Blnguyen is the one I am stalking now. Admins are more tasty when you eat them slowly. They are busy chasing trolls and protecting pages, so they dont even understand it when I am reverting all their edits! Csilofagos 02:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hey there, things are actually doing a lot better now that I no longer have the sysop responsibility and all that comes with it. Nice to get back to the encyclopedia. And yeah, it was a technical desysopping, I made my request on meta about a week ago. How are you doing? Cheers -- Banes 08:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Samantha Riley

Hi Blnguyen, can you look at the talk page please -- I@n 05:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Clearly I don't hang out in supermarket aisles often enough ;-) -- I@n 05:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you please tell me how many edits we need to apply for RFA?

I am not sure about ir, so can you please tell me? Necrowarrio0

Well, I'm conservative, I had about 150 non-trivial articles, 10800 edits when I ran. You can get away with 4000 and 5 months, as long as the edits aren't semi-automated or other cheap edits. I will have a look at your record and comment. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Parables v SGGS on Meat

Hi Blnguyen,

Congrats on your elevated status as an administrator. I don't know if you saw the treatment that the article SGGS on Meat has got. Please have a look:

• Point 1: This article is being pushed for deletion while the Parables articles are being kept. Now, as far as I can make out the group of two articles are similar – So why the different treatment – Is it bias?

• Point 2: Some of the comments on the SGGS on Meat article say that - quotations are POV? Well if they are then why are they OK on Bertrand Russell article?

• Point 3: Where is the fairness and unbiased attitude in this? And then we have an Administrator threatening to block me for a simple Afd on an article? Is that how Admin should behave.

If you can help, please do, Thanks --Hari Singh 04:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Replying

• (1) People in Wikipedia often vote along religious lines. This is unfortunate. If you put the article in an encyclopedic manner it should and will be safe, although if you have the numbers then often you can keep stuff which does not deserve to be there. I feel that this has a good potential to stay if it is fixed up
• (2) Quotations aren't POV, I don't think anybody said that. I have given my suggestions on how to improve this so that it is kept.
• (3) Actually, if you do an AfD on a very famous person which has no chance of succeeding, you will be blocked for being disruptive. I recall some guy doing and AfD on Tony Blair and he got blocked and another guy who didn't like the Italian soccer team did Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fabio Grosso and got blocked as well. It is an inappropriate thing for you to nominate such a renowned philospher in such a way although some admins do have a more confrontational style of expressing their concerns. Blnguyen | rant-line 08:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

He should be blocked if he lists another inappropriate article for AfD. I don't care what he says on the other pages, but his WP:POINT contributions will get him blocked if he persists. User:Zoe|(talk) 05:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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I got your message just in time. I will wait for your reply: This is what I was about to send:

I wish to register a complaint about the administrator User:Zoe. He has shown extreme bias, was particularly snappy and immediately threatening to me earlier today.

Background Many articles in response to my article SGGS on Meat are being deleted in view of the quotations contained within them – see Parables. Several Users have made the comment that using quotation was POV and against the policies of Wikipedia. In June 2005, I created a template called Quotation which is widely used – So this created a dilemma for me as according to me, quotations are a tool to discuss the various POVs and support this differing views.

Bias or Not

Of the two groups of articles for deletion, a bias is present if you look at SGGS on Meat and Parables. The underlying articles are basically quotes from holy scripts. However, a distinct bias against the Sikhism article can be seen.

So as several comments regarding the unacceptability of quotation have been made, I felt that as the Bertrand Russell had nearly 20 quotes, this may be a good candidate to continue this deletion policy.

As soon as I had marked this article for AFd, I had the following reaction from the above administrator on my user page:

1). Your tagging of Bertrand Russell for AfD was clearly improper. I suggest you not try something like that again. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

2). Followed by the entry below on the SGGS on Meat article:

• Speedy delete, not an encyclopedia article in the current form. If you want to write an article about the text, then do so, but extensive quotes from the text are not encyclopedic. Neither are your interpretations. That would be Original Research. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The user has failed completely to read the various comments made and has just reacted to my innocent Afd process.

3). To which I asked:

• • Comment I see you have selected this article and chosen to leave out the parables? Why is that, I wonder? --Hari Singh 04:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I have not received a reply to this question. The Administrator has clearly shown bias and prejudice and if was based in the UK would be liable to prosecution. You cannot show a bias on a racial, ethnic or religious basic.

4). Very soon the administrator put this message on my User page:

It was clearly inappropriate and retaliatory. Try it again and I'll block you. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

So apart from showing aggressive mannerism and reactions, he has shown clear blatant bias and aggressiveness. Where is the civility that you recommend to your users? Where is the rationality and courtesy?

I await your response to my initial complaint. --Hari Singh 05:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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Reply

• (1) Is appropriate on Zoe's behalf. You don't go around sending philosophers like Bertrand Russell to AfD - that would be like sending a Nobel prize winner to AfD. If we keep articles on professors then we don't try and delete world famous ones from 100yrs ago, so if you do this it will be viewed as wilfully disruptive, which is blockable.
• (2) Speedy deletion isn't a valid criteria, so don't worry about invalid "votes" - see [5] and [[6] and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felix Eldridge where Zoe did some illegitimate speedy deletion - in the first case it was undeleted twice and when I started a proper debate, he recommended speedy delete again and got into a big argument with another admin User:Rebecca. Don't worry about this speedy delete. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion - some people vote keep on POV-soapbox articles because they agree with it. Basically only when there is a copyright is there a rock-solid policy.
• (3) Nothing much can be done about this stuff. I see left-wing editors voting to delete non-notable Conservative politicians, but when the exact Labor version comes along they vote keep. and vice versa.
• (4) Administrators who using aggressive phrasing are an unfortunate fact of life, as admins generally as a rule do not block each other unless something horrible happens, or there is a clearcut numerical criteria for doing so like WP:3RR. It's pointless complaining about admin civility unless they use racist/bigoted language or swear and use personal attacks. Try and maintain high personal standards for yourself.

Don't try and analyse other people's bias on deletion debates, simply improve the article or argue its merit. If you can effective debunk another argument, then the administrator who closes the debate will usually ignore the wrong argument as it is not strictly a vote. Questioning motives leads to horrible fights. Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:AMbroodEY/Fundy_Watch. I've made my comments on how to improve the article. I think that is what you should focus on as this is the outsome you want. Don't bother trying to report this, being abrasive isn't really punishable (not for admins anyway).Blnguyen | rant-line 08:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TER for University of Adelaide

If you don't mind me asking, what did you get? Daniel.Bryant 09:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Correction Sir,

Dear Sir,

For your information "Blnguyen" the information posted about Michael Phelps is completely relavent, and is not vandalism. If personally obtained quotes and rare information are not important to this encyclopedia then I question what is important. In the future please quit changing my edits and sending me nasty messages, as you obviously know nothing about Michael Phelps.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.104.141 (talk • contribs) .

I think not. You also left an anti-Phelps attack on the talk page of his picture.Blnguyen | rant-line 07:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks. If your information was verifiable then the information would speak for itself. Ansell 03:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Please also read WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:V, as well as maybe WP:CITE. Daniel.Bryant 06:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

What did I miss?

(Reply on my talk page plz) Two days and Subhash-bose gets blocked, and Geek1975, Wikindian, Citecop, Haphar launch an all out attack. Anything else? I'm afraid they are coming after me next.Bakaman _Bakatalk 03:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Geek (I feel) is little more than Anwar II. Just to give you the heads up.Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:unblock

Appears to be good. Cheers! :) michael ^talk 03:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)