User talk:WikiDon/Sockpuppet Case/Diamond Joe Quimby

Thomasalazar (talk · contribs) is removing tags without the tag task being completed. I asked him nicely to cite sources, and he just reverts the tags and blanks his user page to all comments by me and other users.

I tagged 2008 New Mexico Congressional Election, District 3 here.
He removed the tag here.
I re-tagged here.
I warned him here.
He deleted the warning here.
User IP4240207xx warned him here.
Thomasalazar deletes the warning here.
User:IP4240207xx tells him about tag here.
Salazar deletes warning here.
User HoundDog23 tells him about Wikiquette here.
Salazar deletes notice here here.
He removed the tag, from 2008 New Mexico Congressional Election, District 3, again today here without citing sources.

I feel that if I re-tag the article, he will just revert again. I know that he is young, maybe 18, but he is in his own world, and doesn't want to play by any rules. I am going to add the tags back, but wanted to complete this first.

~ WikiDon (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I left a note on his talk page, suggesting that he start the talk page and open a discussion. --Ludwigs2 (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I left a note on Talk:2008 New Mexico Congressional Election, District 3 about references and tags. ~ WikiDon (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

The user is free to delete warnings if they want (see WP:DRC), but the tags in question are indisputable. It's one thing if a user removes an "npov" tag, or if they remove an "unreferenced" tag from an article with only a couple of references -- but removing an "upcoming election" tag from an upcoming election, or removing an "unreferenced" tag from an article with zero references, I would consider that pure vandalism and would treat it as such. Revert, warn, and if it goes past final warning, report to WP:AIV. --Jaysweet (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I left a courtesy notice on his talk page that he was being discussed here. ~ WikiDon (talk) 22:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

See the edit summary to this edit: "Leave It alone you don't know a damn thing about elections here", as he removed the reference tags again. IP4240207xx (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I also accuse thomasalazar (talk · contribs) or resorting to sockpuppetry to remove tags:

75.88.237.163 (talk · contribs) here here here
76.113.50.208 (talk · contribs) See: History of talk page, BLOCKED: on 16:46, 23 May 2008 by Kinu (talk · contribs) (Block: 48 hours). He gets warned by multiple users and just removes, ignores, and goes on. ~
207.155.113.123 (talk · contribs) Used sockpuppet IP to vote on article for deletion here here and here. (along with IP 76.113.50.208)

WikiDon (talk) 06:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

Attack on Taostiger (talk · contribs) Here - 05:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

Patterns and Comparisions edit

All of the user names and IPs have the same exact pattern of adding images and content with out citation and then removing the tag notices from the articles and image pages, then from the user page, and then Blanking the user page. Most for similar articles about New Mexico high schools and New Mexico in general.

Article: Daphne Charles Burns edit

User Diamond Joe Quimby (DJQ) creates Daphne Charles Burns - 20:25, 21 April 2007

Zeibura (talk · contribs) adds citation needed tags - 20:46, 21 April 2007

DJQ as 207.155.121.142 (talk · contribs) - deletes tags

Proves that he is IP here

Ckatz (talk · contribs) re-adds citation needed tags - 03:38, 22 April 2007

DJQ promptly removes them here

Ckatz (talk · contribs) re-adds citation needed tags - 21:59, 22 April 2007

Scorpion0422 (talk · contribs) makes article a Re-Direct before the tags can be deleted - 21:22, 25 April 2007

User Compare: BradlyRM and Thomasalazar edit

If you look at the edit histories of both BradlyRM and Thomasalazar you will see 95% similarities in both pages edited and content of the edits. Both like to upload images of same high school sports and association logos. The both receive the same warnings about 1) images, 2) removing tags from articles, 3) warnings about reverting articles, and 4) etiquette.

Both handles start there pages in very similar fashion:

16:16, 22 March 2008 (hist) (diff) User:BradlyRM‎ (←Created page with 'Hello My Name is Bradly')
04:08, 2 April 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Thomasalazar‎ (←Created page with 'Hello I'am Thomas Salazar Nice to be on here at Wikipedia :])

Additionally, if you look at some of the edit time+date stamps you'll see a nice pattern:

25 & 26 April 2008

BradlyRM starts at 03:55 on the 25th and edits through until he gets warned by PMDrive1061 (talk · contribs) several times around 01:01 to 01:24, deletes warnings and retires at 01:45 of 26th

Thomasalazar starts at 18:13 on the 26th and stop at 19:26; and retires when he is warned by Discospinster‎ (talk · contribs)

28 April 2008

Thomasalazar starts at 00:33; removed a Wikiquette alert from discospinster (talk · contribs) and stops

BradlyRM starts at 02:03 and ends at 02:06

Thomasalazar starts at 02:16 and ends at 02:19

Neither accounts edits until - May 2

2 May 2008

BradlyRM starts at 00:30 and ends at 03:25

Thomasalazar starts at 03:36; Makes this interesting remark against discospinster (talk · contribs) and stops at 05:30

ETC, ETc, Etc, etc,.....

BradlyRM never edits again after this point on May 2.

User compare: Diamond Joe Quimby v. BradlyRM edit

User compare: Diamond Joe Quimby v. Martinez07 edit

User compare: Diamond Joe Quimby v. Thomasalazar edit

User compare: Diamond Joe Quimby v. EVHS (NNYDL) edit

Not a Wikiquette Alert issue anymore edit

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

At this point, I would recommend taking it to WP:SSP to report the suspected sockpuppetry if anyone wants to force the issue. As I say, the removal of tags in this case is basically simple vandalism, and should be treated as such (an "unreferenced" tag on an article with one or two references is controversial, but on an article with zero references there is no room for debate). And as far as the sockpuppetry, we don't have the tools or authority to deal with that here. Best of luck! --Jaysweet (talk) 13:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

I agree with Jaysweet that this needs to go to WP:SSP now. I agree with what WikiDon says about Thomasalazar's behavior regarding removal of tags without fixing problems. He has repeatedly done that at Espanola Valley High School. I was not aware of these possible sockpuppets though, and as Jaysweet says, this is not the right place for that. Aleta ^Sing 14:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply

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