User talk:The Four Deuces/Archives/2010/January

WP:AE foolishness

What is your honest opinion of this AE thread? I've never seen anyone being slapped with a 1RR after making only 2 reverts in 24h. I did those reverts because my interpretation of the WP:CFD policy was that User:Sander Säde was not allowed to remove the cat from all articles while it was discussed at the CFD. I guess my interpretation was wrong, but still, the sanction seems very harsh, almost ridiculous in fact. I have reverted very little since July 2009, so I have no idea what my 1RR is supposed to prevent. To be frank, I regard the whole thread as another attempt by WP:EEML to get rid of a "content opponent." User:Sander Säde made exactly as many reverts as I, yet he wasn't sanctioned or even warned. What would you do in my situation? Offliner (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I see that Offliner has asked you to comment before you did - good, it saves me from starting a new section.

In your comment, you miss the fact that I posted to CfD discussion prior removing the categories - and that happened three days after I had asked to provide sources for Offliner's claims (he has now admitted that no such sources exist). I also pointed out BLP concerns in the CfD; as Offliner replied to the post he obviously saw it. And it would be rather silly to claim that Offliner did not realize the three articles were BLP's and hence covered by WP:BLP, a policy that is well known to him.

You also claim the articles say "two of the subjects were unsuccessfully prosecuted for actions at a demonstration while the third was denied entry to Estonia.". That is not true, they were not prosecuted for actions at a demonstration - as stated in the articles, they were arrested on charges of organizing mass riots, something that is illegal everywhere in the world. In case of Bäckman, it seems that both you and Offliner assume that it is acceptable to incite violence against a democratically elected government. Try to imagine if you would openly and repeatedly call to kill Obama - would you be surprised if you are not allowed to enter USA? And if you would try to do so without travel documents (like Bäckman did), would you be only detained for a couple of hours, then released and not allowed to enter the country for two weeks like Bäckman was?

In short, I ask you to fix the errors in your comment.

--Sander Säde 09:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - although I obviously disagree with the matter you present the facts, but at least they are closer to what actually happened. A bit of advice, though - in my experience, quoting posts in full tends to result as "tl;dr" syndrome, ie. the whole post is often disregarded, as there are very few users willing to read and analyze the whole thing (Sandstein is an exception to this - one of the reasons along with his impartiality I consider him to be one of the best administrators in Wikipedia). --Sander Säde 11:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Communist genocide

Hi, and thanks for your advice regarding my 1RR sanction. I will think this over and then decide whether to appeal and what to write.

By the way, I made an interesting observation regarding the AfD of Mass killings under communist regimes.

• the EEMLers had canvassed the vote twice, see 20090804-0758 by Digwuren and two days later by Martintg 20090806-0526
• the EEMLers voted for only the same position
• unusually many of the the EEMLers voted
• the EEMLers sabotaged a 2/3 majority

• support: triplestop, shawn, drmies, mintrick, offliner, russavia, abductive, lokiit, rankiri, ezhiki, ironholds, muzemike, passwordusername, the four deuces, good ol'factory, jeff g., irbisgreif, igny, nick-de, calton, rd232, multixfer, soap, dimawik, the red hat of pat ferrick, voluntary slave, soman, lk, csloat

• oppose: piotrus, dgg, martintg, jacurek, hillock65, mandsford, poeticbent, vecrumba, termer, olenglish, sander säde, vision thing, shadowjams, radek, amateureditor, olaf stephanos, fOo, shyamsunder, pectore, smallbones, biophys, merovingian

• support: 29 (of which: 0 EEMLer)
• oppose: 22 (of which: 8 EEMLer)
• percentage of support: 56.86 %

• support (excluding EEMLer): 29
• oppose (excluding EEMLer): 14
• percentage of support: 67.44 %

• 2/3 majority required for pass = 66.6 %

I think this should be pointed out to the arbs and the admins considering the AE threads. Offliner (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

RS/N & Transaction Publishers

If you can find it stated that Transaction Publishers are as bad as I feel them to be, in appropriate reliable sources, then it would be great if you could note the sources criticising Transaction for being a conservative / conspiracy theorist / white reactionist press whose standards of fact checking and faithfulness are those of your average CIA/Ford Foundation establishment that would be great. If it doesn't exist, then their texts will have to be case-by-case with the usual appropriate presumptions. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)