User talk:Stwalkerster/Archive March 2024

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 24

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

  Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2024-10

MediaWiki message delivery 19:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Trimming

Hello, I have noticed you “trimmed” some of my revisions on my user page. Can you explain what that means and what it does? Thank you. Antny08 (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Antny08, I removed some information from your user page as it reveals too much personally-identifying information about you. We have a policy of protecting editors' safety by hiding such information if they share it. I'm really sorry about having to suppress your edits, and I know it's annoying, but it's for the best. stwalkerster (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery 17:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Removing source

Hello, I saw you removed my source you CaseOh’s birth. This was an incorrect removal, as I had a discussion with other Wikipedia members about the very question of if I can use YouTube as a source, and they said yes. I will undo your revision, and we can discuss further. Antny08 (talk) 17:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Antny08:, where was this discussion held? I don't see it on the article talk page, so please could you give me a link to the discussion?
Uncontroversial information about a subject can be sourced to a self-published source, but the number of times that subjects lie about their date of birth makes a date of birth definitely fall outside that definition. stwalkerster (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Sure, the discussion is here: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Using a YouTube source Antny08 (talk) 17:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
In the context of the question you asked - namely whether collaboration between YouTubers has happened - I'd agree that citing a YouTube video is OK if and only if there aren't any other sources. However, you've taken that answer have applied it to other circumstances. It is not appropriate to cite a self-published source for more controversial information like dates of birth. stwalkerster (talk) 17:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Antny08 (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Notability

Hello, can you explain to me how high frequency publishing makes a source unreliable, that makes no sense, as that should make the source MORE reliable. I do not see anywhere where it says they cannot publish frequently. Please explain. Antny08 (talk) 14:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

High-frequency publishing doesn't make a source unreliable on it's own. However, when a single author is publishing 5, 6, 10 articles per day, what time are they spending on researching and fact-checking each claim in all of the articles, and who is spending the time giving editorial oversight to every article written? It's far from a definitive answer, but it does indicate a vague direction for the reliability of a source. I'd expect a competent journalist to be able to write about maybe 1-2 distinct topics per day, though they may publish several articles about the same topic with updates or more in-depth explainers in a shorter timeframe.
For the two relevant sources you're asking about, both authors appear to be writing each article about completely distinct topics in a very short amount of time. Sure, it's possible that it's all above-board, but it's not a great look. stwalkerster (talk) 14:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
But the articles are not very long, and some people have surprising fast typing speeds, up to above 100WPM. Some articles also may have been written before-hand, and only published on a specific day or time depending on what the situation is. Antny08 (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Typing speed is not my concern. If typing speed is the critical path to publishing speed, then it's a strong indicator that the author isn't checking their work. I'd expect research time and fact-checking to take at least 80% of the time in writing an article for a competent journalist. stwalkerster (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Fast typing speed doesn’t mean not checking their work. Let’s say he actually did make 10 articles in a day. If he spent a full 24 hours, he would still be spending over 2 hours on each article. But 10 articles in a day doesn’t seem right, can you prove this? Or were you just saying that as an example? Antny08 (talk) 15:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I was using it as an example, but just from clicking through the author's page, [25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33] - 9 all published on yesterday by the same person. I got to 7 when I counted earlier, so 10 didn't seem like too much of a stretch. I was only 1 off, and I can't be bothered to check their entire publishing history just to see if there's a higher rate. stwalkerster (talk) 15:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
All of the articles state they are only a 3 minute read. This means they are short articles, so that many in a day is understandable. Please reconsider calling the sources unreliable. Thanks. Antny08 (talk) 15:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I stand by my own opinion, but if you want a definitive community consensus about whether they're considered reliable I'd suggest bringing them up at WP:RSN. stwalkerster (talk) 15:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I suggested in the AfD that we should draftify the article. CaseOh is a popular figure, and his popularity is only growing. Because there will likely be more reliable sources about him in the future, it makes sense to draftify it until more sources emerge or are found, rather than delete it. Antny08 (talk) 15:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I have one question, according to WP:SNG and WP:Notability, it says the subject does not need to meet WP:GNG if it meets WP:SNG. For WP:ANYBIO, it says they are notable if they won a significant award, or were nominated for multiple significant awards. CaseOh was nominated for 3 different awards at the Streamer Awards and won one of them. This event had 645,000 concurrent viewers, and was broadcasting everywhere online during its airing. It is a very popular event with many famous people attending and watching. I believe this proves the notability. Please let me know what you think. Antny08 (talk) 16:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Part of the point of an AfD is to get community consensus about whether a specific article meets the notability criteria. It's certainly something that can/should be raised at AfD and considered. I feel that clause from NPEOPLE is probably intended for situations like Donna Strickland rather than this though. stwalkerster (talk) 16:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I understand it that is a more major award, but it does not specify that it has to be a noble peace prize. The fact that it says you don’t need WP:GNG if you have WP:SNG doesn’t only apply to awards, and less specifically biographies, it applies to many other subjects as well. The Streamer Award that he won is still a major award, and the fact that he has nominated for 2 others adds to that significance. Antny08 (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
This is an argument to raise at the AfD. stwalkerster (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

ClueBot Commons

There's stuill an edit summary that needs to go. DuncanHill (talk) 00:29, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Ta, gone. stwalkerster (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-13

MediaWiki message delivery 18:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

New CaseOh Source

Do you think this source meets WP:GNG?

[36]

It seems to look reliable, and the site is used in many Wikipedia articles as a source, but I want your opinion, so please let me know, thanks :) Antny08 (talk) 14:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

IMHO this probably falls into the same content-mill high-frequency bucket as VentureJolt from a brief look through the site. stwalkerster (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Are we sockpuppets?

[37][38] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Clearly! I saw the addition of the photo to CaseOh on my watchlist earlier from my phone, and like you couldn't find permission but resolved to check properly when I got to my desktop. I had a glance through the user's other uploads and saw some... questionable... sources. By the time I got to my computer, you'd already tagged the CaseOh one so I just went through some of the others they'd uploaded. stwalkerster (sock | talk) 10:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm a little curious on if there's a "CaseOh reacts to WP-afd" video. As a personal reflection, when I discovered the concept of reaction videos (WP doesn't let us down), I just sighed, but I've actually found some I enjoy, like [39]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The concept of a prominent YouTuber discovering their article is up for deletion is something that does concern me slightly, especially after the JackSucksAtLife situation where many of his followers attempted to recreate the article following the usual subscribers=notability fallacy and we ended up sinking a bunch of time into cleaning it all up. Hopefully that doesn't happen here, but we can deal with it if it does. stwalkerster (sock | talk) 10:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes. It's not just YouTubers, BNN Breaking has views on its WP-coverage, and has commented on that on WP and their own website. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
lol, I did not even think about that happening, if the article gets deleted and that does happen, I can help clean everything up if I am able to. Antny08 (talk) 14:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
If necessary, we can make an essay about it: Wikipedia:Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia?. I think I'll add the afd to WP:NYOUTUBE when it's done, it's an interesting example. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Sure, I’d be happy to help with that. Please let me know what you decide after the AfD ends. Antny08 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
I was joking about making an essay, I don't expect that to be necessary. But time will tell. People have tried to make a BFDI-article since 2010, apparently, but the essay was only made in 2023, so there's no rush. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Oh, okay. No worries Antny08 (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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