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Irish Republic, Ireland, UK of GB and I, and, Éire, what a mess he has made through inconsistancies in these articles. Murry1975 (talk) 13:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Indeed he has! I've started corrected them now, leaving 'Ireland' unlinked as the simplest solution. Any help is appreciated, as there are rather alot of these GAA people. Snappy (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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What snappy

You changed my edit on gealic football from its right name to wrong it's peile not peil and in Ireland we do not call it gealic football ,but football so it's peile ,just peile ,soccer is socuir something like that .you probably got mix up with that .but thanks trying to help the page ,you can not always be right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tupolevjet (talk • contribs) 08:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

As articulate as ever! I'm never claim to be always right but I'm right about this and I'm right about the counties! Snappy (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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I have replied at the relevant talk page. Tx, Snappy (talk) 23:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noting the policy and why it exists. Collect (talk) 23:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Reverts on Wiki Loves Parliaments project works

Hi Snappy, please have a closer look on what you are reverting. Short video statements have been produced by Wikimedians with the help of WMF project funds. These are neutral statements on who these persons are, additional to professional portraits, both taken during a project of Wikipedians inside the European Parliament in Strasbourg during February 3rd to 7th. They are especially helpful as most MEP their brief provided statements both in english and their mother-tongue. In the case of Jim Higgins it was in gaelic, where we don't even have any video in this language yet. These videos were made by Wikipedians and put under CC-BY-SA and are currently only available on Wikimedia Commons, not on any politicians website. The argument you gave with the revert doesn't apply here - they are neither campaigning nor advertising material from their website.

Thanks, --Manuel Schneider^(bla) (+/-) 16:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I see, I won't revert again, but I re-assert that this is a shamelessly self promoting video. I mean at the end he says "I hope to be re-elected"! Also he says he speaks in Irish in the EP yet does not say one word of it in the video. What waste of wikimedia funds! Snappy (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

This is the english version of the video. So it is obvious that he doesn't speak gaelic there. But there is the link to the gaelic version as well, how could you miss that? --Manuel Schneider^(bla) (+/-) 10:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Oops, somehow I did! Snappy (talk) 18:15, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

De Valera cats

Since Éamon de Valera was born in America to a Spanish-Cuban father, would you care to explain why he and his descendants are not of American, Spanish and Cuban descent? I can see why the American bit may be dubious, as he left when he was a child (although we do usually categorise descent based on the place of birth as well), but the Spanish and Cuban bits are indisputable. Any reason why these people should be an exception to the way we usually categorise people? And incidentally, would you also care to point me to the discussion about this issue you claim has been had on the talkpages. I can't find it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The Spanish-Cuban father is precisely the bit, it is disputed, highly so. No trace of Juan Vivion de Valera has ever been found, no certs, documentation of any kind. Nobody knows who De Valera's father was, there is only the name on his birth cert and his mother's claim. For example, no marriage cert was ever found, civil or religious, highly unusual even then. You could add the American category back in since he was born there, this is not in dispute. The nationality of his father is. See Catherine Coll for more info. Read this too. There are theories on both sides but also no definitive proof on either side. As such, I think its best to leave the categories out of the article, and explain the situation in the text. Snappy (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. However, I should point out that this is not made at all clear in De Valera's own article, where it says his father was "Juan Vivion de Valera, a Cuban settler and sculptor of Spanish descent". There's some wittering about his birth certificate and the spelling of the name, but nothing to dispute that this was who his father was. We shouldn't have to go to his mother's article to find this out. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it should be in his article. It probably was there before and removed by editors with a certain pov. Snappy (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Mary Coughlan

Thanks for updating me on the policy re: linking to Irish people for Oireachtas members. I had no idea there was an agreement to delete such links, but henceforth I shall delete them when I see them. I am surprised though that you reverted the caps I added to "Deputy prime minister". When the word "Minister" is seen with initial caps elsewhere in the article, not least in the same paragraph, it looks mightily strange not to have such caps for "prime minister" too. Harfarhs (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

It was user:OhConfucius who started removing, I am following his lead. Yes, there are no caps as it is not a title but a translation. The office is called Tánaiste in both the Irish and English languages, same goes for Taoiseach. The other ministerial posts you refer to as cabinet positions are titles not translations so have caps. Snappy (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Yes, I see your point re: translations. I will consult that user on his rationale, to make sure that whatever happens we don't end up with anomalies in articles. Harfarhs (talk) 18:21, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Derry historical context

As far as I can make out, city=Derry regardless of it being 2012, 1902 or even 1802. Edward Maginn and John Bowden are examples. Murry1975 (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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People before Profit article

How is correct to use the word "favourably" when comparing People Before Profit Election expenses to average TD expenses when average TD expenses includes figures from TDs which are from all corners of they country?

Perhaps a better comparison might be PBP expenses vs all other Dublin TDs. I have not looked at the figures.

Either way, the use of the word "favourably" has no context unless you are comparing apples with apples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.26.70.5 (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the sentence in question. Snappy (talk) 18:46, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Political question

Snappy: I added an "Incumbents" section to 2011 in Ireland#Incumbents and sourced my "left office" and "took office" dates from the articles, Mary McAleese, Michael D. Higgins, Brian Cowen, and Enda Kenny. While retiring and arriving taoisigh are described in their relevant article as leaving and taking office on the same day, McAleese is described as leaving office on 10 November, with Higgins taking over on the 11th. I find it hard to believe that there is an official overnight interregnum until the new president is inaugurated, that there is no-one in office. Would I be right in thinking that McAleese remained president until the moment Higgins took the oath, do you know? You will notice in 2009 in the United States#Incumbents that Bush and Obama were president on the same day. Thanks. — O'Dea (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know but the President of Ireland#Absence of a President says that "Technically each president's term of office expires at midnight on the day before the new president's inauguration. Therefore, between midnight and the inauguration the following day the presidential duties and functions are carried out by the Presidential Commission." This is not sourced in the article. Article 12.7 of the Constitution states: "The first President shall enter upon his office as soon as may be after his election, and every subsequent President shall enter upon his office on the day following the expiration of the term of office of his predecessor or as soon as may be thereafter or, in the event of his predecessor's removal from office, death, resignation, or permanent incapacity established as provided by section 3 hereof, as soon as may be after the election." This would suggest that the office is technically vacant from midnight to the morning of the inauguration. That said that office is not actually vacant as the Presidential commission would take over. I don't suppose there is anything that important the Irish President has to do that couldn't withstand a vacancy of half a day! No nuclear button, for example. Snappy (talk) 16:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I added a footnote to President of Ireland#Absence of a President citing Article 12.3.1 and Article 12.7 of the Constitution as there was no evidence offered for the claim there. The matter does appear to be unambiguous: There is no president for half a day every seven years. I actually did consider the no-nuclear button issue before I consulted you but, even so, I am trivially put out by the incumbency gap. My view is that the old president should remain in office until the new one finishes delivering his oath, but maybe I just need to relax. — O'Dea (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

No harm that the question was raised. I learned something new anyway. RashersTierney (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

As have I! Snappy (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

2014 Irish Elections

I'm updating the council elections page to reflect the elections. It's slow work, and it'd be a help if I could get an ideal standardized format and layout for each page. Do you have any suggestions? CivisHibernius (talk) 20:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is slow work! The existing format seems fine to me. The main problem is that many of the electoral areas have changed so the names and seat numbers are different. Also, I am not minded to keep the 2009 info only the current results, as having both seems too much info to me. We only need the current council, the 2009 could be split off to a historic result article, e.g. Cork City Council election, 2009 but that's another days work. :-) Snappy (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

NUTS 3 regions

What will be the status of North Tipp / ST / Limerick / Waterford as NUTS 3 regions after June? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Snappy (talk) 11:45, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

County Council Irish language name changes

Hi Snappy,

I have left a message at Talk:Meath County Council‎ regarding the name of the county council in the Irish language and was wondering if I could get your input.

Kind regards,

^Mac Tíre _Cowag 16:19, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

TD succession boxes

Can you point me in the direction of the discussion you referred to, particularly since there is a different view emerging at Talk:Nick Griffin. PatGallacher (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

I will, but I have to find it first, please wait. Btw, that discussion was you and one other person, he said A and you agreed, and he agreed back, some discussion! Snappy (talk) 18:22, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Succession boxes. Slightly off topic but this is about s-par, now this was a discussion, very enjoyable read! Snappy (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

2011 election statistics handbook

Someone like you probably wants this document on his bookshelf. It is published by the Oireachtas and is very detailed and comprehensive. This link is a gateway to material for other years. — O'Dea (talk) 07:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for those. Snappy (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

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Reverts to Counties of Ireland

Hi. I was wondering what you saw as "POV" in regard to my changes in this article.

Taking them one at a time, I'll start with the idea that "twenty-six counties" is a Republican rather than a Nationalist moniker. Searching for the term on the Internet yielded only results for Republican sources - the exceptions being when the phrase is used to contrast with the six counties, factual commentary, or descriptions of the usage of the phrase itself.

To wit:

An Irish Republican News website speaks of, "An extraordinary election result is unfolding in the 26 Counties," and, "councillors across the 26 Counties." It refers to "both parts of Ireland" in the article. (url: http://republican-news.org/current/news/2014/05/sinn_fein_support_surges_in_du.html#.U5X76yi8B8E )

In 1984, John Hume (a Nationalist former MP), said, "a wider agreement between the governments of the UK and Republic of Ireland," in dialogue with fellow MP Jim Prior. He also said, "any progress for the foreseeable future could only be progress within Northern Ireland. There was no prospect of new institutions which involved the sharing of sovereignty with the government of the Republic." (url: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sdlp-leader-resisted-british-government-pressure-to-abandon-all-ireland-solution-1.1639914 )

Note that "26 counties" and "6 counties" are both terms used by Republicans. Republicans, particularly hard-line ones, are consistent in this usage. Hume, by contrast, has no apparent problem using the names "Northern Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland".

The 32-County Sovereignty Movement, a Republican organisation, headlines, "STATE PERSECUTION OF REPUBLICANS CONTINUES IN THE 26 COUNTIES". (url: http://www.32csm.net/2014/05/state-persecution-of-republicans.html )

The maproom website recognises that Republicans use the term, when it states, "Since the establishment of the Irish Republic, there have been six counties in the north and 26 in the Republic. Indeed they are often referred to as "the six counties" and "the 26 counties". These designations sound neutral, but generally indicate Republican sympathies." (url: http://www.maproom.org/t/brcounties/42323212.php )

Wiktionary describes the phrase "26 + 6 = 1" - a Republican mantra - and suggests, "This phrase is associated with Irish republicanism and is used to show support for a united Ireland spanning the whole island of Ireland." (url: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/26+6=1 )

Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, a Republican, in parliamentary debates in the Republic in April 2000, stated the following: "The provisions touch on the fraught area of the name of the State and the name of the island. In the republican political tradition, to which I belong, the State is often referred to as the 26 County State. This is a conscious response to the partitionist view prevalent for so long and still sadly widespread that Ireland stops at the Border. The Constitution says that the name of the State is Ireland, and Éire in the Irish language. Quite against the intentions of the framers of the Constitution, this has led to an identification of Ireland with only 26 of our 32 counties in the minds of many people. We see references to this in all walks of life – in the media, in organisations, in commercial life and even in education." He goes on to refer to the 26- and 6-counties throughout.

In the same debate, TD Austin Currie described himself, "When I was growing up as a Nationalist in Northern Ireland", and consistently refers to Northern Ireland throughout. (url: http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0518/D.0518.200004130005.html ) Note that the debate distinguishes between Irish Nationalists and Irish Republicans.

Wikipedia describes this same difference in the article on the Republic of Ireland: "Many Irish republicans, and other opponents of partition, avoid calling the state Ireland. They see it as reinforcing partition and fuelling the perception that 'Ireland' and 'Irishness' are restricted to the Republic (see partitionism). Instead, they often refer to the state as the 26 Counties (with Northern Ireland as the Six Counties or 6 Counties) and sometimes as the Free State (a reference to the pre-1937 state)." (Ironically, unionists often used to refer to "the Free State" as well, and some still do).

In a January edition of An Phoblacht online, a Republican newspaper, their article on censorship refers consistently to "the Six Counties" and "the 26 Counties". (url: http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/23667 )

Other Irish Republican News stories refer almost consistently to "six counties" and to "26 counties", barring one by Danny Morrison in which he uses the name of Northern Ireland, one other in which Northern Ireland is used in a quotation, and a couple of others which refer to "the North of Ireland". (url: http://republican-news.org/current/news/2004/02/)

Interestingly, in this search, I discovered that Winston Churchill referred to "the 26 counties" quite a lot in 1921-22!

Given this information - and this is information which I am thoroughly versed with personally - I put it to you that there is nothing POV about that particular part of my edit - it is merely a statement of fact. The phrase itself is, obviously, POV. However, the article in question is only referring to its usage.

In short, refusing recognition of either the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland is a position that is almost exclusive to Republicans. Nationalists recognise both states, and use their names to distinguish them.

--Dalriata111 (talk) 19:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

"Succession" in multi-seat constituencies

I think this revert was done with a very limited consensus.

Just to fill you in, the discussion was to do with whether there is any reliable/definitive notion of preceded by/succeeded by in multi-seat constituencies. The upshot being that if it is not definitive then it discussion ought to be left the article and info boxes, etc. just state bare indisputable facts.

I think there is a wider discussion to be had before a consensus can be said to exist. What are your thoughts? --Tóraí (talk) 07:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Oops. I see above you were already chatting with PatGallacher. --Tóraí (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

There needs to be a wider debate on this issue. I am putting in all the predecessors / successors, this is factually accurate and better than before. Snappy (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

If that is your view, please contribute to achieving a consensus at Talk:Nick Griffin or suggest where we might continue the discussion. PatGallacher (talk) 12:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree, there needs to be a wider debate on this issue. The discussion at Talk:Nick Griffin is insufficient. I'm not so sure where the best place for a proper discussion would be. Any suggestions? --Tóraí (talk) 19:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Term of MEPs starts in July

Regarding this[1], the term of the MEPs begins in July, not on the date of election. The infobox reads "Assumed office" on date x, not "Elected" on date x. In a similar vein, Barack Obama was elected president in November 2008, but he didn't become president until January 2009. --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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It wasn't a personal attack, it was a vaguely humorous exhortation to stop being lazy and do some real work. Snappy (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Not to give the impression that Wikipedia has no tolerance for humor, but "vaguely humorous exhortations" do not read across a text-based medium. Name-calling is a de facto personal attack. As a friendly suggestion, I recommend refraining from attempting it again, or you could wind up at WP:ANI. LazyBastardGuy 04:45, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, humour often does not come across. There is very little humour here, perhaps for the best. I will indeed refrain from even attempting it in future. Snappy (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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Richard Pine categories

Hi Snappy. I'm confused about the 'postcolonial' category for Richard Pine. Are you saying this category is only for writings not people, or were you referring to another category I'd added - or undone after you had removed it. Looking at the postcolonialism list there are quite a lot of individuals as well as themes under that heading. I'm encountering more differences between editors than when working on earlier articles several years ago, I was told by one editor that the Pine article 'needed' more categories. So thanks for correcting them but I think 'postcolonialism' should stay. or are you working through this category where it used 'incorrectly'in other articles? Regards Simon Baddeley (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Simon, I removed the Category:Works about colonialism because this is a category for writings, tv or films etc. If I'm wrong about this then do re-add it. I also removed the Category:Postcolonialism and add a sub-cat Category:Postcolonial literature, as I think this is a better fit. Once again, if you disagree, feel free to revert me. Snappy (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

That makes all the sense in the world, Snappy. Many thanks. Your courtesy is especially appreciated, even though that's just your normal behaviour. In connection with this particular article I was feeling a little battered, having been told by one editor to 'take your ball and go home' with the suggestion that 'you are way out of your depth', [[2]]. I'd raised an issue on this individual's talk page about the grey areas between primary, secondary and tertiary sources. He had already twice rejected the article on grounds of insufficient 'notability'. When another editor accepted the article, this editor I complained that I might have faked the evidence of a letter to Pine from Seamus Heaney. That's sorted now. Other editors gave me support. On the matter of courtesy on-line, I like the words of Jimmy Wales and Andrea Werkeler regarding keeping a civil cybertongue: 'Too frequently, we hear the argument that being online includes the right to be nasty - and that those who chose to participate on the Web should develop thicker skin. This gives transgressors an out for immoral behaviour." Simon Baddeley (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Michael Yeats

Hi again. I see what you mean about the way "served two terms" certainly sounds better than "had two spells"- but when I made my edits to the article I had considered and specifically rejected your wording, on the ground that (as I understand it) the period between two sequential elections is correctly described as one 'term'. 'Spell' seemed to me to avoid the problem of suggesting that the Seanad sat for 19 years at one stage. Harfarhs (talk) 14:31, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I've changed it to periods, which is more accurate than terms and is better the spells which is too casual sounding. Snappy (talk) 22:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Frank McCourt

McCourt was not born in Ireland, he was born in the USA. Shouldn't his nationality be Irish American because he is descended from Irish parents? both his parents were from Ireland (Limerick and Antrim). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackmt (talk • contribs) 15:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You're right, he was born in the states to Irish parents, but unlike most Irish-Americans he came back to Ireland at a young age and spent his formative years in Ireland. This makes him a bit different from the 'classic' Irish-Americans. Snappy (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability of Realex Payments

By all means, please add more sources to that article to show that it has been covered by prominent media; Irish are totally fine. Then feel free to remove the notability template and ping me for a re-review. I hope we can save this article, but it needs few more reliable sources. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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Enda Kenny

Enda Kenny did not attend NUIG. In Text it refers to the fact that he was offered a place there. He is not an NUIG graduate. I'm Reverting your edit and will also alter the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathar66 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

A reliable source, the RTE one, says he was educated at UCG. If this is wrong, then its up to you to prove it. I reverted back and have added another reference. Refs for UCG are [3], [4], [5] and [6]. Seems pretty conclusive to me Snappy (talk) 17:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi sorry about that. Reality is he worked for four years as a primary teacher after attending St Pats for two years.[7] He gave up his job in 1975 following his election at age 24. If he attended UCG /NUIG it must have been as a night student. Unlike Bertie he does not claim to be a graduate. Part time attendance hardly qualifies as an Alma mater or alumni. In his speech at the opening of the extension he does not refer to his time there which any genuine alumnus would.[8] I see young FG (nuig) claim him as a founding member 1973.[9] Cathar66 (talk) 14:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC) Hi again just looked up alumnus on Wikipedia and see that it does include someone who attends but does not graduate. I also looked at your ref to where he says he attended UCG after St. Pats obviously before starting work as a teacher - max 1 year then and couldn't have been there in 1973 silly young FG. Apologies Cathar66 (talk) 15:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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This guy, User: Ericl, is going to be a problem. He's posted the usual dreck about Ireland being anti-semitic on the History of the Jews in Ireland page. I've had to revert those edits twice. Probably another Jeff Rudd type. CivisHibernius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Southern Ireland (1921–22)

Hi Snappy. I don't object to this page move, but I had changed the links on about 50 articles when I did a page move, and Rob984 had changed the links on about 100 more when he moved the article again very soon afterwards. You will need to change all of these again. Regards, Scolaire (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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Phil Hogan and Brian Hayes

Hi Snappy, I added the information to the pages on Phil Hogan and Brian Hayes. I am very new at editing Wikipedia. I understand that the information about Phil Hogan is from his private life and may not in the national interest, but I think his response to journalists was worth reporting. What do you think? Also, I was thinking of adding VoteWatch pages to all Irish MEPs as it is a neutral website on their voting records and may be of interest to voters. I only had time to add it to Brian Hayes page yesterday. Can I ask why you removed it? I'm interested in Irish politics and would like to add more stuff and I'm interested in your thoughts. Also, I don't work for the EU Institutions if that was your concern :) 195.130.157.99 (talk) 14:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The Phil Hogan issue is WP:NOTNEWS, you can add in the votewatch as an external link in the MEP articles. Snappy (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Edit-warring caution

Your and Gob Lofa's edits to Unionism in Ireland constitute edit-warring. You are both experienced editors and should be respecting WP:BRD and taking the issue to the talk page not reverting back and forward. Mabuska ^(talk) 19:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Ulster

Does your definition of Ulster diverge from Wikipedia's? Many biographical articles describe their subjects as Ulster Protestants, but the only time this seems to get your goat is when it's used to describe someone from the Three Counties. What gives? Gob Lofa (talk) 13:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

You push that particular pov. Snappy (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

You surpass your usual opacity, O Oracle. Please tell me what your definition of Ulster is, why you don't mind NI Protestants being referred to as Ulster Protestants, and what point of view you're referring to. It could conceivably save us both a lot of time in the long run. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Will you give it a shot? Gob Lofa (talk) 20:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

We had this discussion already, it went on for nearly a year and achieved nothing. I see no point in rehashing it. Snappy (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

You refusing to answer clear and simple questions is hardly a discussion. Will you tell me why you have no objection to Armagh or Tyrone Protestants being described as Ulster Protestants but you draw the line at Monaghan Protestants being described similarly, despite all three counties being in Ulster? Because it really confuses me. Is it because Monaghan is in the Republic? Do you believe Protestants in the Republic must be Irish Protestants only and not any other kind? What do you believe? If you don't believe any of this, why do you revert edits describing Monaghan Protestants as Ulster Protestants but not for Protestants to the north and east? Gob Lofa (talk) 15:17, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I repeat, I see no point in rehashing it. Please post any further statements to Talk:Ulster Protestants, not here. Please stop harassing me. Snappy (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Please stop insulting me. Talk:Ulster Protestants is one long list of questions you refuse to answer. It surely can't be that hard for you to explain yourself. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've replied to your message on my talk page. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've replied once more. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:09, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm unhappy that the only place you seem to be willing to make even a token defence of your edits is in edit summaries. There's a nasty sectarian undertone to some of what you write that I've noticed the more we come across each other. You need to watch that. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Will you put Protestants of Ulster back to Ulster Protestants? Unless you have further proposals. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:43, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Citations

Hi there,

In my edit to the Wikipedia entry for Willie Penrose, you pointed out two locations where there are citations needed. A lot of the new material I have added comes from an item in The Westmeath Examiner. The issue is available through the Irish News Archive - but since one requires a log-in for that, most people will be unable to access that article if they use the link that I have given (which you will see as references 3 and 7), so for the two "citations needed" gaps you marked, I gave the newspaper date, page number etc.

Since I actually accessed the Westmeath Examiner article online, I'm not sure exactly how to reference it because of that Irish News Archive paywall issue. What's your recommendation?

Kind regards, Lizheen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizheen (talk • contribs) 22:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I have updated the reference in the article for the Westmeath Edxaminer. Perhaps you could add the full date, e.g. 23 April 1993. I removed two urls as they provided no information on the subject - http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/#panel=search&search=3 and https://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/tag/local-elections/. Snappy (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Non-breaking spaces in date ranges

I see by this that you, like me, are perplexed by the habit of putting an "nbsp" before the dash in a date range (especially in birth-and-death ranges at the start of biographies). Well, I raised the question at WT:MOSDATE, and one participant there is telling me that of course there should be an "nbsp" before the dash, even though it's not actually spelled out in the MOS and there's no explanation offered. Perhaps you can make more sense of the conversation than I can? Scolaire (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Well done for trying to figure the reason for this. It's a bit clearer now but not very rational. They don't seem open to rational argument at WT:MOSDATE. Snappy (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

No, it's a lost cause I'm afraid. Scolaire (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Alfie Byrne

Hey snappy, yes Alfie was a keen admirer of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. He supported the Franco regime until he died. In the picture, Alfie is the guy with the mayoral chain around his neck. He's very clearly giving the Nazi salute. The picture is of the Blueshirts (their leader Eoin O'Duffy is in the center). The Blueshirts modelled themselves directly on Hitler's Brownshirts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.164.102 (talk) 09:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Snappy, a picture of a lord mayor on his knees kissing the Papal Enjoy is not common for this time. Can you cite other example from this period that shows an Irish mayor doing this? Just one?

"Papal Enjoy"?". Not up to me to prove anything, it's your claim, so you prove it with a reference not a picture. Snappy (talk) 18:23, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Snappy, You stated that people on bended knee was not uncommon for that time. That was your assertion. I asked you to prove that assertion, you can't, because it's historically incorrect. It seems to me that for some reason you're embarrassed by the picture of Alfie Byrne on bended knees kissing the Papal Envoy's hand. It's one of the most famous photographs of Alfie Byrne, and there is no harm in having a link to it, it proves the point that Alfie Byrne was ultra-Catholic. Also, why remove the reference to the Irish Christian Front 1936 pamphlet? It's a historical document and evidence of Aflie Bryne's ultra-Catholicism. He was a founding member of the Irish Christian Front.

Why on earth would I be embarrassed by the picture of Alfie Byrne on bended knees? It doesn't prove he was an "ultra-catholic" but a devout one. It can't be that hard to find a written reference. Snappy (talk) 19:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Future Elections

Greetings, I hope you don't mind but I removed the CSD tag you left on Category:Future Elections and instead made it a category redirect to Category:Future elections. That will fix the problem and ensure that it won't get created again in duplication of the other category. RingofSauron (talk) 19:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

No problemo. Snappy (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Constituency names, punctuation formatting

Looking over constituency names, the punctuation is wrongly using N-dashes throughout, where there should be hyphens in some cases. For example, it should be Dublin South-East rather than Dublin South–East. This is because it refers to a distinct location on the compass, the south-east of Dublin City, rather than a combination of the South and the East of the City. Whereas Carlow–Kilkenny is correctly formatted, as the constituency combines both Carlow and Kilkenny. I know it would be a big deal to change these, but I think we should. Do let me know if you have thoughts, and indeed, where the best place to have this discussion is. --William Quill (talk) 08:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Province

Hi Snappy, Gob Lofa highlighted this edit of yours [10]. That is a common misconception. NI is a province, but of the UK, not of Ireland so it has nothing to do with Ulster. Mabuska ^(talk) 16:23, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

There is no agreed term for NI. Province has no official or legal status in the UK, and the term would not be used by Nationalists. See refs 8,9 and 10 of the NI article. Snappy (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

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SF MPs

Snappy, you're in breach of 1:RR at [Category:Sinn Féin MPs]. This is not the first time I've warned you about breaching this rule for Troubles-related articles. Please self-revert (otherwise you risk being blocked again) and rejoin the talk page discussion. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not Troubles related, and according to you, Michael Collins should be in it. So explain to me, Collins' role in the Troubles. Snappy (talk) 18:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

At least half of the people listed in the category were in the Provisional IRA. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Was Michael Collins was provo too? How is he connected to the Troubles? Snappy (talk) 19:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll happily have that discussion with you after we've sorted this 1:RR breach of yours, which, intentionally or not, you haven't addressed in your response, and is the subject of this section. I take it you accept the Provisional IRA is a subject that is related to the Troubles. Right? Gob Lofa (talk) 19:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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I wouldn't call him a Provo. Mind you, he did love killing cops. Gob Lofa (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Supreme Court title

You reversed my change of name for the Supreme Court previously. I hadn't thought every change of name needed a discussion, but I've added a section there now. Let's let it sit for a while and her comments. William Quill (talk) 09:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

RE: GOVERNMENT MINISTERS + TAOISEACH TITLE

Could you please stop getting rid of the the Taoiseach title under the ministers........I know I am correct......if you don't believe me go to any British ministers page and you will see that the Prime Ministers name is underneath, as for American politics.....It is always the case that the leader who appointed them is put underneath the job.

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This just adds clutter to the infobox. There was a discussion and it was decided not to add these to Irish infoboxes. I will continue to remove them. Snappy (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Good on you....it's people like you who bring down the standard of the pages.......but of course the British are always a step ahead of us..Great to see you spend your days changing pages.....and your not even getting paid! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.59.49 (talk) 15:35, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! We've moved on since copying the English. Yes, I volunteer my free time on Wikipedia. Are you missing the point of this whole project? Snappy (talk) 17:14, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Sinn Féin TDs post 1923

Isn't the proper process for a name change to apply at CFD or speedy? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:19, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Why didn't you following the proper naming convention in the first place? You should know by now, you spend enough time on categories. Snappy (talk) 14:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Snappy, please be civil. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

That was civil! Snappy (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

On the face of it, it would appear that the creation of a re-direct is just a device to avoid (subvert?) the CFD process. Please assure me that that was not the intent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

No, that was not the intent. Its not a controversial move, why would I want to subvert the CFD process over brackets and a hyphen? Yes, it should have been speedied, I'll do this in future. Snappy (talk) 14:26, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Since we are on the topic, how about renaming Category:Early Sinn Féin TDs as Category:Sinn Féin TDs (pre-1923)? Snappy (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Since you yourself "spend enough time on categories", it stretches credulity that you would have been unaware of the proper process to follow. Tell us again why you preferred the re-direct method instead of the speedy method. Regarding your diverting / distracting proposal, yes, I'd favour the above rename. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:35, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll propose the rename in the proper manner. This ends my participation in this discussion! Snappy (talk) 14:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Proverbs 16:18 Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Only an idiot would disagree. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

reliable source

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Another of your 1RR violations

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Not covered by 1RR, you are really becoming more disruptive, any edit you have disagreed with you shout 1RR breach at. Follow guidelines and policies and stop adding your POV on things. Murry1975 (talk) 10:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I was told that, when in doubt, assume it's covered. If I feel the need to shout online, I'll use caps and exclamation marks. What POV are you referring to? Gob Lofa (talk) 18:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok boys, kindly take your argument elsewhere. Snappy (talk) 18:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Senators of unknown affiliation

Going backwards compiling the tables by panel of the Senators (after the universities, I went with the nominated ones partly because its interesting to see which Independent senators various Taoisigh appointed), we're coming to those marked on other pages as Unknown party affiliation. I see you've marked Pádraig Ó Siochfhradha as Fianna Fáil, though he's Unknown on Members of the 10th Seanad. Going back further, we have John Douglas as Unknown in the Members of the 8th Seanad, though his father is listed as Independent on the same page. Are there any of these we want to make a call on either way? I think we should be consistent in their label between tables on the panel pages and tables for each Seanad. --William Quill (talk) 23:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

It's hard to know in some cases. The affilations are not clear, but maybe with some determined work their affiliation could be found. Where did I mark Pádraig Ó Siochfhradha as Fianna Fáil? Snappy (talk) 22:33, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

On this one: Nominated members of Seanad Éireann. I noticed it because from his profile, he seems more like an Independent. William Quill (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I've changed him to Independent. I'd suggest that we label all unknowns as independents until their real affiliation is known. Snappy (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Grand so, that makes sense. I'll do that with any others. Independent is most likely what they were, and distorts things less if not. William Quill (talk) 23:24, 24 December 2015 (UTC)