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Guwahati

Unfortunately, I do not have any pictures of Guwahati. But I must commend you for the wonderful job on Guwahati. Very well done, indeed.

Chaipau 11:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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Guwahati proper names

I suggest that you use the standard spelling for the proper names and their phonetic spellings in brackets. For example you could use "Fancy Bazaar" and put "fasi bozaar" in brackets and then mention that the origin of the name is "gallows market", because of the gallows in its vicinity and that gallows in Assamese is "fasi".

Chaipau 13:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Assam

Thanks for a substantial increase in the Culture section of Assam. Could you provide a reference to this input, please. Also, the substantial section actually would be better written under its own page Culture of Assam, with a short summary left at the Assam article, and a link at the head of the section to Culture of Assam.

Chaipau 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Please look at User_talk:Chaipau#Etymology for a note on the recent Assam edits. At some point we may have to move the Etymology section to a separate page, since it is currently hotly debated and we need a fuller description. Chaipau 12:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I have started Assam silk. See if you have something to add. I have also started Etymology of Assam, and shall shortly shrink the section in Assam. I envisage this article should first enlist all the evidence. Then give some of the different theories that are going around, beginning with academic references. Let me know what you think. Chaipau 15:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

gud idea!...bt will be little slow fr next few days.Porikolpok Oxom 05:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the diverse cultures should also find a place in the second paragraph. I shall try to insert that and then shrink it further. I shall shrink the third paragraph too. Also, would you want to do a page on the Biodiversity of Assam, a list of plants and animals of Assam? Chaipau 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Culture of Assam

I think it would be better to call the article "Culture of Assam" and not "Assamese culture". First because it is in the style of many other pages that Wikipedia has: History of Assam, Music of Assam, People of Assam etc. Second, there are now cultural traits (for example, urban culture) that is not part of traditional Assamese culture, but which are complex and composite forms. And third, the page will give space to Assamese and other traditional sister cultures enough space for their descriptions along with more recent trends.

I take the liberty to move the page to "Culture of Assam".

Chaipau 13:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I made the changes in Culture of Assam. Also, I wish to develop the Culture of Assam with Culture of USA as a guide. Please have a look at that page. We should not put up the Culture of Assam in the way it has been done traditionally---which has divided traits into categories (Assamese, Bodo, etc), but rather as living practices by people in Assam.

Also, I think we should look at Kerela as a guide for Assam.

Chaipau 16:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the warning, now I saw that you just made a mistake, I fixed it. Cheers!~ Arjun 17:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

District of Assam image

The image [1] has a lot of white space around it. It will look better in the articles if it was cropped. Chaipau 12:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Categorising Stubs

I've noticed that you've created a number of articles with uncategorised stub tags recently - it would be helpful if where possible you could use a specific stub tag, such as {{india-culture-stub}} - a complete list of stub types can be found here. Jeodesic 15:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Districts of Assam

I think there is a slight error in the Bongaingaon-Kokrajhar boundary in the [2] that you have created. I would suggest you use the Census of India map that you can generate from here (take your cursor to the left, over "The next level"). I think you could base you map on this generated map, which also has sub-division boundaries, in addition to the district boundaries. I have made some progress on this, but I shall wait for you to update the map in your style.

Also, the map is 2001 based. The further division of Kamrup into Kamrup (Rural) and Kamrup (Urban) occured after 2001. Also, some districts in the best were redrawn and renamed after the formation of BTC. So it might be best to just stick to the 2001 boundaries for now and mention the Kamrup (Urban) and the renamed BTC districts in the text.

Chaipau 00:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject:Assam?

I can see that we have some editors now interested in Assam. Are you interested in a WikiProject on Assam? Maybe we can coordinate our edits. The other users I see are User:Dkonwar, User:Deepraj and User:Bikram98. Let me know if you think this is a good idea. Chaipau 22:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Please add your name at Wikipedia:WikiProject Assam. Chaipau 11:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Kaziranga geology help needed

Pls. help in getting links and references for the article as well as additional info of Kaziranga, mainly geology and geography part which is now in PR.Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 05:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Assamese wikipedia

Can you help Assamese wikipedia by editing over there as well? Thank you.--Eukesh 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Assam

Welcome back to active editing! Assam is growing fast.

Could you please add the reference base of the article too. Try to add a reference or two to every assertion. I have realized it is much easier to do it while writing than waiting to complete the article before doing it.

Chaipau 13:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

yes chai, gt some time again..he he!..yes u r rite, i need to put the references..i will do tht. hw r u?

Porikolpok Oxom 07:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I am fine, thanks!

Could you look up the Nordic/Irano-Scythian/Alpine references please? I have not seen the early Indo-Aryans in Assam mentioned as such in recent writings. Chaipau 18:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Irano-Scythian reference is available in Barpujari ed Comp Hist of Assam, vol I... cant tell u the page no now as the book is in my ahmedabad home...do u hv it with u? Porikolpok Oxom 19:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I did get a chance to look at the volume. Unfortunately, the chapter was written on material based on very old research. The groups (Alpines/Irano-Scythians etc) mentioned are based on head measurements, a method that is no longer used. Most modern accounts don't seem to mention these groups. Chaipau 22:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

will take sometime to come back to it..i hv few DNA-study-based analysis, but these r nt comprehensive......will try fr more resources n come back.Porikolpok Oxom 18:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

For consistency, you could follow this recommendation Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Footnotes_come_after_punctuation. Chaipau 11:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thnx chai! i will surely streamline the ref/cits gradually as per the recommendations.Porikolpok Oxom 18:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Culture of Assam

Oh, well that's fine, then. To be honest, my knowledge on the subject is actually zero; I had restored the image because no explanation had been given for its removal. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Jeff Silvers 13:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

References

For citing a reference multiple times, use the following method: Wikipedia:Footnotes#Citing_a_footnote_more_than_once. Chaipau 13:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Porikolpok, I notice that you are updating a few references on Assam at this time. I would like to point out that the references are not being used properly. They are just being shown at the bottom without any connection to the statements that are being supported by the references you are citing. If you need any help let me know. -Deepraj | Talk 08:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding on my talk page. We need to have go about this in a structured manner. I know you are doing this with the best interest in mind but the references can be improved upon (actually some got worse, unfortunately). It is great that you are taking my comments in a positive manner. This is what wikipedia is about! I am not correcting right now because you are still busy with moving/formatting the reference(s). Please check the citation templates. Basically, there are a few key points. Reference should be placed next to the statement it is supporting. If it is done with the right wiki markup then it automatically shows up at the reflist (usually in the bottom). There are multiple ways of referencing books/websites/news items. Check the orchid reference for example.-Deepraj | Talk 09:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

My sincere apologies. The pointers I gave may have been a little ambiguous. I meant the orchid (ref id=15 the last I checked)reference within the Assam article. In any case carry on the good work of adding the references at least. Maybe we can later go through this together and clear up any misunderstanding? I am putting up a test page that should be useable a little later today so that we avoid cluttering Assam with our possible apples and oranges comparison. OK? ;-) -Deepraj | Talk 11:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a note. It would be good to dump all the text and references on Assam first. Then we will have to do an overhaul cleanup of the article. Currently, there are a few very bloated sections. The History section, for instance, which I had written a long time ago. Since then I had written the History of Assam, which also is bloated in the "Colonial period", which might need a new article page. The Economy of Assam can take material from Economy section in Assam. So let us just dump stuff and then cleanup later. Chaipau 13:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The Assam Barnstar I award this Assam Barnstar to Porikolpok Oxom for his untiring identification, addition and correction of references to Assam article while contributing to WikiProject Assam.

-Deepraj | Talk 14:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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Oxom Xahityo Xobha

Hi! I noticed that you have updated a few references in Assam where "Asom Sahitya Sabha" is now "Asam Sahitya Sabha" [3]. Is that official? If that is the case then Oxom Xahityo Xobha article might need to be updated for consistency other wise "Asam" may be neither here nor there ;-).-Deepraj | Talk 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Deepor Beel vs Dipor Bil

I noticed that you had moved the contents from Deepor Beel to Dipor Bil. What is actually the correct name? While researching the topic I saw that even the Ramsar Convention of wetlands lists this area as Deepor Beel. -Deepraj | Talk 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Please look at my reply. Thanks. Chaipau 16:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Assam

I see that you are back! Welcome.

I shall make changes to the Etymology and the History sections. I shall cut the sizes drastically, and leave the details for the wikilinked articles.

Chaipau (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

New User- please help

Hi i'm ishan. I recently joined wiki. I want to contribute to the Assam project. Please help me to get started.

What help do you want?Porikolpok Oxom (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:East-Hem_700ad.jpg

Hi Porikolpok Oxom. I got those borders from a map of Asia in 800 AD that showed Tibet's borders, as well as from the History of Tibet article, which described Tibet ruling those lands in 700 AD. If you could show me some better sources, and could send me a map with the correct borders, I'd be happy to correct them. Respectfully, Thomas Lessman (talk) 23:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Porikolpok Oxom. I appreciate that you created and uploaded a map of Kamarupa to Wikipedia Commons. However, I couldn't find it. Could you please send me the link (or post it on the talk page of the Image:East-Hem_700ad.jpg). Thomas Lessman (talk) 16:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, could you please provide the links for the Kamarupa map links? Thanks. Also, look at Kamarupa kingdom. I am working on it. Chaipau (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Chai, I just quickly made two maps with corrected boundaries on those original Tibetan Empire Maps so that Talessman can revise his easily. But to use it in the article Kamarupa, probably i will have to reivise these with better versions. However, i have posted these two maps in Talessman's talk page. Plz check there.Porikolpok Oxom (talk) 22:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Kamarupa and East-Hem in 700 - 800 AD

I appreciate your help with the East-Hem 700 and 800 AD maps. It really helps that you sent me maps showing the corrected borders! (I can't stress how helpful that is!)

About Manipur: I had to make a guestimate of Manipur's location because I didn't see it in any historical maps. But your map makes sense. I believe I'll need to correct that on at least 20 maps...

Please feel free to look over my other maps and let me know if they need corrected. Southeast Asia is especially lacking in information. I'll be happy to add your corrections in the list of sources, as I did on the East-Hem_800ad.jpg page Source information.

I will upload the corrected versions of these maps as soon as they are ready. Thomas Lessman (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Tibet and India, late 8th century AD

I found some sources describing (briefly) Tibet's expansion into Bengal and India in the late 8th century AD.

1. Google Book's "History of Tibet" makes several mentions of Nepal as a Tibetan vassal, and also mentions that India's Pala Empire under Dharmapala accepted Tibetan suzereignty. (Page 54)

2. The wiki-article, History of Tibet also mentions Tibetan military influence covering Bengal.

3. The afore-mentioned [Huhai.net map of Asia in 750 AD] also shows Tibet ruling Kamarupa, Bengal, and Pala.

You are right that there is a scarcity of sources covering possible Tibetan activities in Medieval India. There are also few sources for Bengal and Assam in that time period. Since Tibet did briefly subjucate Nan Zhao, it's possible that they also briefly subjucated part of northern India, though exactly when and for how long I don't currently know. It may not have been an actual conquest, it could have been some plundering raids or marriage alliances. I need to find out more information before I can correct the maps. Thomas Lessman (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I suggest that this discussion be moved to Talk:Kamarupa (History). According to local sources (Sanskrit epigraphs or folk/legend/myth), there is no mention of a Tibetan political invasion or influence. In the period after 750 AD, Kamarupa was ruled by a non-Aryan group (possibly Tibeto-Burman speaking), but the epigraphs left by this dynasty are in Sanskrit, and the kings drew thir lineage to a legendary king called Naraka. So even though the dynasty was Tibeto-Burman, it had possibly migrated to the Kamarupa region earlier and was sufficiently influenced by the Sanskrit culture. Chaipau (talk) 13:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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