Philip Stained Glass
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you are saying it is not relevant , the views of backers - but GHouta says it does matter. they are shadowy figures , exept odeh muhaweh and his daughter in law he is setting up - the bloke appears to be a serios Shia 12 er or summat with virulent anti Syrian rebel views- if you say how is that relevant to the ghouta story being promoted by mintpress news you are obviously being disingenuous. there is now just one sentence on the PJ media story - hardly undue. please show a little tolerance and not allow a desire to destroy all comment on the mintpressnews. that is not the purpose of articles I don't think. goodbye spa. Sayerslle (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- of course the views of backers are relevant - will you stop censoring the article. arguing they didn't write the article is irrelevant - they are the distributors and exhibitors aren't they etc .Sayerslle (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- There's no indication that they played any part in the actual content besides choosing to publish it. Look, the Ghouta story lacks credibility because it's based on hearsay from interviews. I'm not challenging that. Al Jazeera, The Guardian and others have published countless stories on Syria based on similar hearsay, and people have questioned it, but no one has called them "Sunni advocacy sites." Suggesting this entire news organization that published it is "advocating" for "Shia" is absurd, irrational and not supported by anything referenced in this entry, including the PJ Media article. Just because that article has a sensational, poorly worded and/or deliberately misleading headline does not make it worthy for inclusion in a Wikipedia entry. Philip Stained Glass (talk) 22:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- 'besides choosing to publish it' - Sayerslle (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- If you went and charged every single news organization with religion-motivated, credibility-usurping bias just because editors choose to publish whatever third-party allegations, you wouldn't have a media. It doesn't stick when people call the New York Times "Zionist," and no one would ever go so far as to call them "Jewish advocacy." Nor do people call the Christian Science Monitor "Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist -advocacy journalism." Philip Stained Glass (talk) 22:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- Agree with you Philip Stained Glass. Blade-of-the-South (talk) 06:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Glad to hear it. Please indicate as much in Talk:Mint Press News. Philip Stained Glass (talk) 13:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- insisting you know it was no sectarian spirit that led mintpressnews publishing that story is just your pov - misinformation played a role in influencing uninformed public opinion - as it was meant to - about this event and if writers have questioned the odeh muhawesh/mintpress sectarian motivation they have. you are obviously determined to destroy any observations about a sectarian spirit in a disingenuous way that implies it is a sectarian spirit that motivates the other writers. ah well. you are angry at the title of the PJ media piece. fine. but don't censor.Sayerslle (talk) 07:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- By "sectarian spirit" you literally only mean that the editor-in-chief suggested that Shia are underrepresented in U.S. media. That is a valid POV. Editors-in-chief of publications are allowed to be Shia. And their fathers-in-law, whose connection to the company have never been established, are allowed to have attended Qom seminary. Third-parties not editing the publication are also allowed to use the word "takfiri" on their Facebook pages, which is not an inherently sectarian word (it doesn't mean "Wahhabi terrorist," it means "Muslim who accuses others of apostasy"), nor is decrying the heart-eating incident inherently sectarian (why would it be, just because it again HAPPENS not to support 100% of Syrian opposition 100% of the time?) "Sectarian" would have require some actual mention of someone's Shia faith motivating their support for the Syrian regime. No evidence has been cited that suggests either Muhawesh or her only-tenuously-connected-to-Mint Press father-in-law either explicitly supports Assad, much less is motivated for doing so based on their faith. Decrying takfiri and not-supporting-100%-of-Syrian-rebels could both just as easily be neutral POVs held by secular observers. Your argument is pure conjecture and speculation, and moreover relies on a nonexistent Facebook page post cited in some blog entry. That is not how Wikipedia works. Philip Stained Glass (talk) 13:09, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- Agree with you Philip Stained Glass. Blade-of-the-South (talk) 06:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
- If you went and charged every single news organization with religion-motivated, credibility-usurping bias just because editors choose to publish whatever third-party allegations, you wouldn't have a media. It doesn't stick when people call the New York Times "Zionist," and no one would ever go so far as to call them "Jewish advocacy." Nor do people call the Christian Science Monitor "Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist -advocacy journalism." Philip Stained Glass (talk) 22:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- 'besides choosing to publish it' - Sayerslle (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
- There's no indication that they played any part in the actual content besides choosing to publish it. Look, the Ghouta story lacks credibility because it's based on hearsay from interviews. I'm not challenging that. Al Jazeera, The Guardian and others have published countless stories on Syria based on similar hearsay, and people have questioned it, but no one has called them "Sunni advocacy sites." Suggesting this entire news organization that published it is "advocating" for "Shia" is absurd, irrational and not supported by anything referenced in this entry, including the PJ Media article. Just because that article has a sensational, poorly worded and/or deliberately misleading headline does not make it worthy for inclusion in a Wikipedia entry. Philip Stained Glass (talk) 22:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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