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Archive 27: February 2016
Draft: Theo Sowa
Dear Onel5969
You have rejected this article on Theo Sowa based on it "not fulfilling notability guidelines". A person, especially one is not of UK descent, who receives a CBE is definitely notable. In the entry in the London Gazette, Ms. Theodosia Sowa was given the award for: "For services to the Voluntary Sector in the UK and Overseas". Her other interventions, mentioned in the article, also meet the guidelines. Please could you be more specific as to what you need to be assured of her notability, so that we can resubmit the article that is an entry for the Wiki Loves Women, #15Challenge contest. Thank you for your thoughts on this. Isla Haddow (talk) 07:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. You've already resubmitted it, so we'll let another editor take a shot at it, okay? Onel5969 TT me 15:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Onel5969, I agree with Islahaddow's comment above. CBE is a clear pass of WP:ANYBIO#1. Although several claims in the article need to be sourced and the article is shambolic in its current state. We can simply decline the submission on that basis and not on the basis of notability. I will work on the article and move it to namespace, perhaps today. Let me know if you have any concern. Keep up the good work. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 05:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Onel5969 and Wikic¤l¤gy for your concern and input. Will see what can be done to improve it. Isla Haddow (talk) 08:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've improved the article and it's pretty better now. I will move it to the mainspace soon. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 08:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Wikicology - No, I have no issues with that. Thanks for helping Islahaddow out. Onel5969 TT me 12:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- I've improved the article and it's pretty better now. I will move it to the mainspace soon. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 08:44, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Onel5969 and Wikic¤l¤gy for your concern and input. Will see what can be done to improve it. Isla Haddow (talk) 08:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Onel5969, I agree with Islahaddow's comment above. CBE is a clear pass of WP:ANYBIO#1. Although several claims in the article need to be sourced and the article is shambolic in its current state. We can simply decline the submission on that basis and not on the basis of notability. I will work on the article and move it to namespace, perhaps today. Let me know if you have any concern. Keep up the good work. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 05:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
You guys are amazing!! Thanks Onel5969 and Wikic¤l¤gy !!Isla Haddow (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
10:31:40, 1 February 2016 review of submission by 120.149.122.208
Can my submission be reviewed please?
- Hi - It was reviewed and declined on 1/19. Still does not have enough valid references to show it meets notability criteria. Onel5969 TT me 15:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Questions about Declined Article
My username is DRCRichardson (real name Erin ... hi!) and I am sending this in regards to a draft I submitted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charles_Richardson) on behalf of Dr. Charles Richardson. Thank you so much for reviewing the article and I do appreciate your feedback as this is my first time writing an article for Wikipedia. I wanted to touch base with you for your thoughts as I plan to edit the draft and resubmit.
I agree that it reads more advertisement than encyclopedia. Are there specific sections you think I should fine tune? Right now I'm planning on cleaning up his companies as I think his inventions are the most interesting, but wanted to check with you as you have a different perspective.
I am working on updating sources and will include more news outlets and scientific studies of his inventions.
Any additional feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you! DRCRichardson (talk) 15:20, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Erin - Wikipedia uses categories for declines, and the advertising one was the closest. I think a more apt description would be that it reads like a CV, or a promotional brochure. I'll put up some links on the draft page which you can take a look at. On the whole, just state facts, not opinions, and use sources which are independent of the subject, and talk about the subject at depth. Right now, most of the sources are about the companies, not about him. Also, YouTube is not a reliable source, so you should lose those. The Charlotte Business cites are nice to verify the facts, but they don't help his notability, since they are more about the companies. If those articles were about him, they would be good. Also, he'll need at least one in-depth article from a non-local source (outside the Carolinas). Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
16:29:19, 1 February 2016 review of submission by Pbergstrom
- Pbergstrom (talk · contribs)
Thanks you for your review. I will find more references that Wikipedia considers reliable and add them before I resubmit. This may take me a few weeks since I may be starting a new job soon.
Is this the sort of reference that you are seeking, from the Chicago Tribune archives? It was the only article I found there about him. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1937/10/10/page/41/article/illinois-new-oil-field-shows-large-growth
Thanks Peter Pbergstrom (talk) 16:29, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Pbergstrom - That's a nice article to verify a fact in the article, and slightly helps his notability. To show notability you need at least 3 in-depth articles from independent sources. If that article was all about Wasson, rather than about what he's announcing, that would go to notability, but the brevity of it would make you need 4-5 like that. I hope that gives you enough direction. I'm into mining myself, so I found the article interesting, and will be more than willing to help you get it into shape. Let me know when you're ready to work on it. Onel5969 TT me 01:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 16:47:05, 1 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Metalhorn1
- Metalhorn1 (talk · contribs)
I plan to add additional references to the Sean Young (psychologist) entry before resubmitting, but please note: I have cited an opinion-editorial from the New York Times; Dr. Young is the executive director of two research centers at the most applied to university in the United States; and he won a "Research Catalyst" award for innovative work. I believe these more than qualify him as a "notable person." I will also add sources independent of UCLA, but again, this is the initial entry and it is comparable to people such as Mary Jane Rotheram-Borus or James H. Fowler as well as many other behavioral scientists with lesser credentials who are included in Wikipedia.
If you have advice on why this may be the wrong assumption, I welcome your advice. Many thanks.
Metalhorn1 (talk) 16:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Metalhorn1 - I'm a Bruin myself, so you're preaching to the choir there. But Wikipedia has their own guidelines as to what does or does not constitute notability. Check WP:GNG and WP:SCHOLAR. The NYT piece is by him, not about him, so it's considered a primary source and therefore not valid in terms of notability. And that's the issue with your article as it stands, the references don't meet the notability criteria. If you're trying to meet WP:GNG you'll need at least 3 in-depth articles about Young from independent, reliable sources. It'll be easier for you to show he passes WP:SCHOLAR. His citation counts on Google Scholar indicate he's nothing to sneeze at, although from Wiki standards, he's borderline. But once you work on the article, I'll ask a couple of other editors who really focus on scholar articles to assess it.
- The other problem you have, is that it reads like a CV, rather than an encyclopedia article. Read Wikipedia:Your first article which will help you. Hope this helps.Onel5969 TT me 01:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 17:03:04, 1 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Nena Valnz
- Nena Valnz (talk · contribs)
Good morning. You have just reviewed my article on Brian Lerner. It was denied publication again. I see two distinct reasons (I think). One is showing more notability. The other seems to state I need to cite better or more clearly. I added more regarding notability but have not changed the its references. Thus, I am a little unclear if the article now has sufficient facts showing notability, but is not properly using references or cites. Can you please give me some guidance as to whether I need to both show more notability and work on the references, or if I just have to work on the reference?
Thank you for your help.
Nena Valnz (talk) 17:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)Nena
Nena Valnz (talk) 17:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Nena Valnz - on Wikipedia, there's a difference between accomplished and notable. Lerner is certainly accomplished, but nothing in the article points to his notability. The closest thing is the Grava decision, but you'd need in-depth coverage of that decision showing that he was the single person responsible for the outcome. Your sourcing is okay to verify the facts of the article, but to show notability, you need in-depth articles from independent, reliable sources (usually major newspapers or magazines). Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Don Oriolo article
Hi there Onel5969!
I see that my article submission for Don Oriolo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Don_Oriolo) was declined...bummer.
I'd love to get this article up, but I'm unsure of exactly what I should fix. I know I used citations throughout most of the write-up, and other facts that I know to be true but can't find an immediate source I left as "citation needed." Should I remove the "citation needed" sections for now so that the article can go live, and then dig around for more sources?
Disclosure: I am a journalist and I wrote one of the articles used as a primary source for this page (the article appeared in the Milford Journal, which is Reference number 1).
Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks!
-Alex (aka TheFluffiestHead)
- Hi TheFluffiestHead - Well, the fact that you're the author of one of the primary sources means that you have a definite conflict of interest, so please read that link and take the appropriate steps. Second, to show notability, you'd need at least 3 in-depth articles from independent, reliable sources in order to show the subject's notability. Count your article as one (the fact you wrote it is a COI issue, not a notability one), now you need 2 others like it. In addition, you have a bunch of stuff in the article which needs independent sourcing. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, by the way, nice article. Onel5969 TT me 01:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
00:41:32, 2 February 2016 review of submission by 120.149.122.208
Hi, this is my submission... Michael_Nicholson
My best friend, Professor James Simpson, Chair, Harvard University English department [he is the Head of the english department at the top university in the world] says ....>
I truly can’t see why Steve’s entry for me on WP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James_Simpson) should have been accepted, and yours not, unless it’s to do with the nature of the links. Truth be told, I don’t think either of us really belong on WP, which is an encyclopaedia, designed to give people access to hard knowledge.
I have published over 6 books, had 'Rubbery Figures' the political puppets on Australian national tv for 8 years on the ABC and HSV 7 and l have recently produced to feature length documentaries on the Australian and New Zealand olympic rowers and scullers.
Can you please re-review my submission and get back to me.
Mike.
- Hi Mike - Harvard? Meh. The man behind the curtain (read that "Ivy League schools") have been exposed of late as being highly over-rated. In fact, a state school out west actually outranked Harvard the past two years. You've made no changes to the article since I declined it. Still doesn't meet the notability criteria and referencing requirements. To show notability, you'd need at least 3 in-depth, lengthy articles about the subject from independent, reliable sources. Right now there are zero articles like that. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
03:43:13, 2 February 2016 review of submission by DrRajKumarChabbewal
I just wanted to create the biography page of Dr Rajkumar who is a well known politician of Congress Party.
- Hi DrRajKumarChabbewal - Well, first you either have a conflict of interest issue, see WP:Autobigraphy, or you violate our username policy. So you should probably address that. Second, the article has a huge POV issue, which will need to be corrected. Articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and in an encyclopedic, rather than essay fashion. Third, you'll need in-line citations. Forth, you have some formatting and structural issues with the article. I've put some links on the draft which you might find useful. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 17:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
20:27:42, 2 February 2016 review of submission by 162.245.166.5
Good day. This article has a corresponding very thorough article in the Danish Wikipedia. This Church is a major historic church in Slagelse Denmark, and is the home of the tomb of St. Anders. It is listed as a major Slagelse attraction in Frommers: http://www.frommers.com/destinations/slagelse/attractions/215905 and many more sources are given in the Danish Wikipedia version of the article.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalhorn1 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Metalhorn1 - Unfortunately, I don't speak Danish, so it's difficult for me to pull sources from that wiki. Do you have any others beside Fromer's? We need at least 3 from independent sources on English Wikipedia to show notability. If you can come up with the sources, I'm more than happy to put them in the article for you and move it to the mainspace, but right now, it doesn't meet our notability criteria. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 17:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- My apologies Metalhorn1 - as you can see, a wikibot said that the prior comment was from you, when in reality is was from Jellyjiggling Onel5969 TT me 17:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Revision of Sean Young (psychologist) Entry
Hi. I did some significant reworking of the Draft:Sean Young (psychologist) entry. I think/hope the tone and notability issues should have been resolved.
I included more than 10 references from sources such as CBS News, CNET, notable healthcare publishers/sites, etc. These sources cite, quote, or summarize Dr. Young's work in a wide range of contexts. I also included two external links to UC pages that list scores of news items about his work. I expect the entry's referencing would expand in coming years, given he is a "rising star" in the field of scholarly research about social media. Also, a minor quibble with your last reply: the article I cite in the New York Times was indeed by Dr. Young, but it is within the paper's Room for Debate section, which was solicited (and his piece is technically just one facet of a six-part article created by the Times' Editorial Board).
Finally, the entry still says "Review waiting" even though I did not resubmit. Hope that doesn't indicate a problem. Many thanks for all your work.
Metalhorn1 (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Metalhorn1 - Nice job, moved it to the mainspace. Congrats. Onel5969 TT me 18:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Fantastic. Many thanks! And sorry about my name getting slid under that other entry. Still learning my way around the interface. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:8401:5200:942C:DC84:D933:99DF (talk) 18:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Onel,
I refer to your request for 3 articles. I'm not an academic, or even attended a University. If you look at my website, www.mikenicholson.com you can click on 'Daughter to Bligh' and see the article written as a foreword by Professor James Simpson, Chair, English department, Harvard [the second top university in the world l now find out from you].
I have written over 4 books, l write all my own films and l'm an artist.
Why do l need to write 3 articles? [Not comparing myself to] Picasso is in Wiki and did he have to write 3 articles?
regards,
Mike
Request on 16:58:57, 3 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by MrSmooth31
- MrSmooth31 (talk · contribs)
In my opinion, notability has been established. Every citation at least mentions him, and several go into quite a bit of detail about him such as interviews, etc. He received a national award in the electrical industry and an additional one from an accredited university in Michigan post college based on his career and published work. One specific study is also published on the University of California, Davis's California Lighting Technology's website. When combined with the articles about him, or the articles he's internationally published on the subject of efficient lighting, I believe this puts him in the notability camp. One Mlive article titled “"Jackson area business leaders applaud proposal that eliminates 'disincentive to invest'" and he’s one of the “leaders” cited; while in a completely different article, written by a completely different reporter, it headlines him and the fact that he, and his work, is at least academically/author notable. WP:CITEKILL may seem like it applies, but it’s because he’s been in a lot of articles. Perhaps the BIO links should be deleted? The issue here, per your comment, is of MLive, tED Magazine, The Parking Professional, Parking Today, Electrical News, or Yahoo Finance as “fringe” publications. These are national, and notable, electrical industry (except Yahoo Finance, although national, it's not specifically electrical, although his work has appeared there, too) relevant publications. In my opinion that is enough to push him over the GNG threshold. He’s not going to be mentioned in a Vogue magazine, or a Discovery Channel piece for a study on an electrodeless lamp. Should the notability of the publications he has been published in be elaborated on? Or at least lessen the citation use of the same ones more than once?
Further, I would also like to mention that in order to have shown notability for GNG, I have provided 8 in-depth articles specifically about the subject from independent, reliable sources. They are:
"tED Magazine Winner to Be Honored By University". tED Magazine. "2013 30 Under 35 Profile: Kyle Leighton". tED Magazine. “Name Expands Corporate Level Team”. tED Magazine. “Electrical Industry Young Professional To Be Honored by Michigan Based University”. Electrical News.
“New York City Based NAME Energy Group Expands Corporate Level Team”. Park News.
“Kyle Leighton receives alumni award from Siena Heights University”. MLive. “U.S. Energy Group Appoints New Leadership for Lighting and Energy Management Product Lines”. Power Metrics International. “Alumni Stars Mark the Start of Homecoming”. Siena Heights University.
Please be more specific as to what you are looking for so that the article can be re-submitted. Thank you for all of your help Onel5969!
MrSmooth31 (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MrSmooth31 - First get rid of every citation which is by the subject. Second, if a reference only mentions him, delete it, unless it is to verify an underlying fact of the article (e.g. your cite #5). Third, get rid of all press releases. Fourth, Ted is an industry magazine, and is mostly a pr piece. Also, stuff like Siena are connected to the subject, therefore not independent. I hope this gives you enough direction to start out. Bottom line is that everywhere you have multiple cites, pick the best one, get rid of the rest. Onel5969 TT me 18:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Onel5969. I have removed all citations by the subject. I have also removed 21 references, including press releases, per your instructions. I have also added one new reference. Per my Google Alerts, an electrical industry organization copy and pasted one of the subject’s articles into their blog today. I will delete if it is a moot reference (#27). It is still my opinion that the independent, reliable sources that are listed in the article establish GNG of the subject. Regarding tED magazine, you are right. It is an industry magazine. However, it is also the publication of the National Association of Electrical Distributors (NAED), a notable trade association for the electrical distribution industry. I think the notability of that organization, and their interest and coverage of the subject (including his NAED national award), additionally satisfies GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Further, the third notable piece of the subject is the Siena Heights University award. Firstly, I do agree with you that the SHU articles are not independent of the subject as he graduated from that university. On the other hand, the subject possesses a communications degree from that university, and that university gave him a prestigious award based upon his communications career that was outside academia but in his academic capacity. That satisfies criterion #7 of WP:ACADEMIC evidenced by independent, reliable sources. I will re-submit and await your feedback. Thank you again.MrSmooth31 (talk) 21:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Onel5969. I have an additional comment from someone else on the page. By re-submitting, I did not intend for the article to go back into AFC, I was awaiting your instructions to improve the article as the subject meets GNG and WP:ANYBIO, and WP:ACADEMIC.MrSmooth31 (talk) 15:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- MrSmooth, I have made some comments reinforcing OneOnel5969's remarks on my user talk page here DGG ( talk ) 18:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- MrSmooth - I agree with DGG's comments on his talk page. No editor owns an article, and no reviewer owns the review process. Onel5969 TT me 21:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- MrSmooth, I have made some comments reinforcing OneOnel5969's remarks on my user talk page here DGG ( talk ) 18:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I have responded for you both again in DGG's same area.MrSmooth31 (talk) 00:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
18:10:44, 3 February 2016 review of submission by Rehansiddiqiproducer
hey what's going wrong? Approve my article and feel free to contribute and change it from the references etc. I don't much about wiki Thanks
- Rehansiddiqiproducer See WP:Your first article and WP:Tone, the article needs any further available in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 21:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
06:13:21, 4 February 2016 review of submission by Sbettwy
Would you please be more specific about what is needed? I have located several different newspapers and other reputable sources that confirm that she was an elected official, beginning in the 1930s when women's rights were just taking off, and that she was re-elected 5 times. Perhaps it is not a big deal today for a female to be elected to County Recorder, but it was notable in those days; plus the fact that she was Hispanic. I've added the notoriety of her husband because they were a political power couple in Arizona, and both are still talked and written about today.
- Hi Sbettwy - first, because of your username, I'm guessing that you might have a bit of a conflict of interest. If so, please read that link and take the steps suggested there. Now, about your article. First, lose the section about "legacy". Family history is not legacy. The Mexican heritage section is virtually unsourced and needs to go as well. The political life section has a high degree of informality and POV issues. It needs to be re-written from an uninvolved and neutral perspective. Hope this helps. Btw, I think she might be notable enough to pass wikipedia standards, but for none of the reasons you state above. The fact that her appointment of a Republican as her assistant seemed to garner beyond local news. Which reminds me, please take a look at WP:CIT on how to format citations. Onel5969 TT me 21:31, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt, helpful suggestions! I understand them, I agree with them, and I will follow them. SWB Sbettwy (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
James Mc Nulty
re: James McNulty:[[1]]
General question: Besides the 3 citations needed what more would you need to see?
Thanks, Pat u/n: pajokie
- Pajokie The article is interesting but still needs any further available in-depth sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 22:19, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks: Ocean Speedway
Hi Onel5969! Thank you very much for approving my page, Ocean Speedway. This subject means a lot to me, so I appreciate being able to show off the work I put in on it. My question is how can I improve it further? It's classified in the "Start" category now and I would like to show off this page to the best of its abilities. I've tried my hardest to get enough reliable and third-party references, so I hope that isn't an issue with it. Also, obviously many, if not most, readers will not care to read about it in the first place, but I would like to improve it so it can't be put up for deletion on a basis of not being notable enough or something like that. I truly appreciate your input and thank you for reviewing my page.
Cheers, Sean Sstan19 (talk) 17:45, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Sstan19 - On the talk page of the article is the classification. There's also a link there which will take you to the scale, and how articles are put into the different classes. As you add more cited material to the article, it will flesh out more and then you can have it upgraded. There are two main types of sources: those which can be used to show the notability of the subject, which you've already met, and those which can show the verifiability of any assertions in the article. In that second class there are two main types: primary and secondary. Primary sources can be used to verify facts, but not claims. For example, you can use the speedway's own website to verify dates, events, etc., but you can't use it to verify a claim that it's "the oldest dirt track in ...". That second assertion, since it's a claim, would have to come from a seondary, independent, reliable source. Reliability of sources is another issue, take a look at WP:RS, which explains about how to judge whether or not a source is reliable.
- I wouldn't worry about it being nominated for deletion, I think the article clearly passes that bar, but it never hurts to keep improving an article. Just remember to use sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 19:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Onel5969, Thank you for the help and clarification! Sstan19 (talk) 01:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
23:17:03, 4 February 2016 review of submission by 120.149.122.208
For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice"[1] or "note"[2] – that is, "remarkable"[2] or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded"[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike9328 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Mike,, this has to be shown by sources providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. The article currently has only his own web page, and a mention. You'll need better than that, or it will be deleted when it is moved into mainspace. DGG ( talk ) 02:19, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi One1, just to follow up with you, if you look at my website, www.mikenicholson.com you'll see everything is there. Why isn't that enough? Please reply! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike9328 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
- Mike9328 It still needs any further available in-depth third-party sources overall for WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister talk 02:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
I need the draft which i have not edited since last ix months. it has been delete by you. kindly uplad it again i will edit it as earlier as possible. than you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samraj93 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Do you have thoughts on this?
User_talk:MBisanz#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion.2FOpiate_for_the_Masses. Thanks! MBisanz talk 12:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MBisanz - The AfD I took part in was about the band, OftM, which, imho, was clearly not notable enough for an article. I didn't take a look at the Ron Underwood article. The sources the editor left on your talk page are generic tour announcements, so wouldn't go to notability (although they could be used to verify those tour dates). Doing a quick search on News, Underwood is one of those borderline notability cases. My advice to the editor would be to get some good sources, and create an article using the AfC process, that way, some editors can take a look at it and decide on its notability prior to moving it to the mainspace. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 19:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! MBisanz talk 23:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Editing Questions
Hi Onel5969,
I'm new at submitting articles for Wikipedia, so I would greatly appreciate your insight.
I submitted the article -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merrill_Corporation -- which was declined based on my initial submission.
One of the reviewers said I should not include sources/citations from LinkedIn. Are there other sources, besides LinkedIn, that are discouraged? In writing the article I tried to avoid the company's website and other company sources and focus on third-party sources.
For the article, I used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntraLinks and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VITAC as models for building the article about Merrill Corporation.
My article was deemed as "reads too much like an advertisement". Could you share some thoughts about how I should edit the article so it's not deemed advertising. What I mean by this, is: Should I eliminate the entire section about Products, or is it more about eliminating adjectives such as "leading," which may lack a third-party source to back up that claim?
I also wanted to ask if it's helpful to link to other Wikipedia pages? For example, Merrill offers virtual data rooms as part of their business and I see that there is a Wikipedia page on Virtual Data Room (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_data_room)?
I would appreciate any encouragement that you can offer.
Thanks,
StephenDupont55403 — Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenDupont55403 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi StephenDupont55403 - all excellent questions. Let's see if I can help. First question, regarding sourcing. In a nutshell, yes, take a look at WP:RS to see how reliable sources are determined. Basically, if a site doesn't have editorial oversight, it's unreliable. That would include any social networking site, like LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Blogs should also be avoided, especially if you're just starting to edit. There are some at very reliable sources like the Washington Post, which are reliable, but it can be tricky to figure out which, so it's best to avoid them at the beginning. Also, press releases are totally unreliable, so avoid them. About the only thing they are good for is to verify something like, "On February 1, 2016, Company A announced it had purchased all the outstanding shares of Company X...".
- It's not a bad impulse to look at other articles to give you insight on how to edit a new article, however, if an article has a tag at the top, which both of your examples do, it's not a good idea to use them as an example, since editors feel there are issues with both of those. I'm going to put some links on your draft, which will be helpful for you to read. Particularly the Simplified Manual of Style, [[How to create your first article, and On how to properly format your citations. Those should help you decide on what to include and not include, as well as how to improve the format/structure of your article, and how to properly format citations. Regarding promotion: yes, listing products can be problematical, especially when done in a way which highlights those products, which your article does. Also, be wary of phrases like "the company refocused its business to become a leader in ...", "Under CEO Rusty Wiley’s leadership...", "leverages technology and expertise to help its clients ". Those are all marketing statements, designed to sell the company to a prospective client. Articles tell us about the subject, ads sell us the product.
- Yes, it is very helpful to link to other wikipedia articles you do that by placing [[ brackets around the article name ]] , like Saint Paul, Minnesota.
- Finally, don't be afraid to ask questions. The more specific they are, the better, so an editor can address it. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 19:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Walter Couvreur
Hi Onel,
Walter Couvreur was my great uncle and he already has his Dutch wikipedia page. My uncle asked me to translate the article in English, which I did.. Why was it accepted in Dutch and refused in English?
There is a very reliable source I mentined: de volksunie website. Also, his name is in history books of Belgium.. but I do not have the names..
Thanks for yout consideration,
Gregory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.68.217.39 (talk) 00:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Gregory. Different Wikis have different criteria for notability. English Wikipedia probably has the highest standards. On English wiki, the guiding principles can be read at WP:GNG (general notability guidelines). Since he was an academic, he might also qualify under WP:ACADEMIC. What we need are sources, your draft currently has zero. The three references are to other wikis, which do not count. I hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 00:41, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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Monkey Shiva
Re: article for submission - The Nomadic Oracle - 27th Sept 2015
I have a problem. One that won't go away no matter how I approach it. It's out of my hands, so to speak.
We live in changing times and the rate of change is super-fast. How is it possible that new voices (such as mine), with new ideas (such as The Nomadic Oracle) can overcome a cultural closed shop? It doesn't matter whether I'm speaking of Wikipedia (which I love and hugely respect) or Google's pagerank system, or your federal government (no matter where you live).
If the work I'm peddling had been written by a notable monster (say George Bush, why not?), there'd be no problem with notability. If the work had been published by a notable publisher (which it couldn't have been, I wouldn't have been able to release editorial control) there'd have been no problem.
In this new era, we MUST respect independent and interdependent, individual creativity without question. ONLY by raising consciousness will any of our grand-children love us. We must protect the future. But in the ever-present game of celebrity status and commercial interests, those in control will never concur.
I believe the present Wikipedia notability policy is over-restrictive. It's not democratic, which is a shame since Wikipedia is, in many respects, a great pro-democracy tool through the free distribution of knowledge. Aims totally supported by the book in question.
Not all of us work to the beats of personal engrandisement or even profit. There are other motivations far more pressing. The work in question is one of love and concern for the state of this world. It sees its subject in a totally new way. It has brought healing and is greatly loved by those very few individuals who have touched base with it. But in this hard, rational positivist world, such thoughts are meaningless. It has taken the best part of a decade to complete.
I don't expect there to be any change of policy.Monkey shiva (talk) 14:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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Azad Najafov
Hi OneI,
How do I add WP:ACADEMIC tag? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Azad_Najafov
There are several molecular biology articles and psychology-related articles in the references. Some of those journals do not have websites because they were hard copy journals in the 90s and have since closed. But the articles published in other online places by other people are citing articles by Azad Najafov (e.g. 3rd reference)
Also, there is a book published on nakconsulting.com
Also, Azad Najafov was not associated with http://shkolazhizni.ru or http://webinary.com.ua or http://edric.ru. He just published his articles there.
Why is this not enough to show that this person was a notable academic in two fields (molecular biology and psychology)?
Best, Ayaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.61.54 (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. The issue is I look Azad up on Google Scholar, and there is not a single thing about him. No hits, no citations, nothing. Onel5969 TT me 21:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Samuel J. Briskin
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Samuel J. Briskin you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. 
This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wikicology -- Wikicology (talk) 09:41, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Draft Rachel Takserman-Krozer
Hi Onel5969, many thanks for your reply to my draft. In that draft I have provided at least one open reliable source. I do not understand exactly why the reason for rejection was lack of reliable sources.
Also it is mentioned that the style is not adequate. Does it mean I should shorten and make the text more consize to what: her work, her contribution, her life?
Many thanks in advance for your reply Vkguf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkguf (talk • contribs) 13:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Vkguf - To show notability, there have to be several in-depth articles about the subject, which are from independent sources. Currently, your article's sources are either connected to the subject in some way, or are simply listings of the subject. If you can provided 3 in-depth sources about her, then you should be okay. I also checked on Google Scholar, and she has a very low citation count, so I'm not sure about her notability. But if you have those sources, please add them to the article, and then you can resubmit it. Also, it would be nice if you formatted your citations properly, as per WP:CIT. Hope this helps, and good luck. Onel5969 TT me 17:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Article Submission
I received your ambiguous note regarding the following article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kimberly_McDonald&redirect=no
Other than a generic explanation about the piece being "like an advertisement" there is no specific reason given for the rejection.
The article consists of declaratory, FACTUAL statements, all of which are sourced (many to other Wikipedia pages) to neutral, credible news sources - The Los Angeles Times, ABC News, The Chicago Tribune, The Robb Report, and People Magazine, among others.
Perhaps it is Wikipedia's practice to reject a first draft. In any event, I am resubmitting it with one minor change (the deletion of the subject's website as a source). Beyond that, I can see no valid reason not to approve this article submission. As for the suggestion that I consult "experienced editors" at Wikipedia, I have been writing and editing for both consumer and trade news publications for over two decades. I have an M.A in English and Writing from Fordham University and, like you, I am a native New Yorker.
Please take care in reviewing the copy again, and if there are indeed any issues, let me know specifically what they may be. Beyond that, the article I submitted bears no more resemblance to an advertisement than similar Wikipedia pages of American jewelers which you can peruse for yourself - i.e., Lorraine Schwartz, Harry Winston, et al., - and consequently there is no legitimate cause to reject it.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Christopher Kennedy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordhamlit (talk • contribs) 17:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Fordhamlit - It's only Wikipedia's policy to reject articles which either don't meet Wikipedia's standards, or don't fulfill Wikipedia's guidelines, such as your draft. But really don't feel like arguing. If you had asked for assistance, that would have been one thing, but seeing that you know so much, good luck with your draft. I certainly won't look at it again. And please, don't contact me again, I have no wish to deal with unpleasant people. Any further communication with you will be automatically deleted without reading. Take care. Onel5969 TT me 17:58, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Georgios Papahatzi - submission declined on 7 February 2016 by Onel5969
Any chance you can move it to Georgios Papachatzis. It seems more things come up about him when using "ch" instead "h" although I believe it is not the right way to write a greek name with latin characters (widely used though).
Initially I included this and some other alternatives like Giorgos or George etc. Unfortunately Greek databases in www are quite a mess since they do not follow a certain naming convention.
Thanks --DataDispenser (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi DataDispenser - Done. Onel5969 TT me 20:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Request
Hi Onel5969,
How are you today? I trust you're fine. Will you like to participate in Wiki Loves Nigeria Writing Contest, an on-going contest I organized to improve the coverage of Nigeria-related articles on Wikipedia. Your contributions will be appreciated by the community. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 08:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Wikicology - I'll try to help. Wrote my first (although stub) article. Onel5969 TT me 04:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for creating Yewa River, Onel5969. We do appreciate your help. Please add {{WikiProject Nigeria|class=start|contest=yes}} to the talk page of your next article. I added this to the talk page of Yewa River already. Warm regards. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 13:50, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Biography of Living Persons: Avetik Chalabyan
Hi Onel5969,
Thank you for the review and feedback. I made the necessary edits and also added as few more supporting sources. I've resubmitted the article and would be grateful if you could take another look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Avetik_Chalabyan
Thanks in advance, Alice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice Ananian (talk • contribs) 11:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Alice Ananian - I see you resubmitted, and it's been declined again. The issue is that the individual doesn't seem to meet notability guidelines. Onel5969 TT me 04:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
18:31:36, 8 February 2016 review of submission by ROS21662
Thank you very much for your feedback, Onel5969. To be honest, after reviewing several other entries very similar to this one--and they have no in-line citations--I really do not understand exactly which sentences in this entry you believe require in-line citations. The seven citations under "External Links" are the sources for the entry. I would be most grateful if you would pin-point exactly where in-line citations are needed for the entry to be approved. Grate for you help.
- Hi ROS21662 - This is a blp (bio of a living person), therefore almost every assertion in it needs a citation. Take a look at WP:BLP. Don't worry about other articles. Wikipedia has been around for a while, and many articles were written when standards weren't as high, and with over 5,000,000 articles, a lot of crappy articles still exist. I didn't look at the external links, but you need to format your citations properly, as per WP:CIT, and take a look at WP:ILC about how to use inline citations. A few of those links appear to be press releases, so I'd lose those, as they are not reliable sources (PRN Newswire, Businesswire, etc). Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 04:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
18:58:33, 8 February 2016 review of submission by 192.195.83.138
Thank you for your consideration of the Draft at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jim_Heising.
Would the fact that the article was written about someone who was a primary (and verifiable) contributor to a number of other approved Wikipedia articles make the person notable?
For example, his name is referenced as a co-founder of Click Commerce, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_Commerce. He is also the joint copyright owner of freeboard and dweet.io as mentioned in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_Labs (source: see the bottom of the page at https://github.com/Freeboard/freeboard and https://github.com/buglabs/dweetio-client.
- 192.195.83.138 Still not enough in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 06:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi OneI,
I understand your concern, but Google Scholar does not cover journals that have closed (do not exist anymore) and never been online or digitized. However, luckily there is an article that cites Azad's articles (PDFs in the "References" section).
Also, there are articles that Azad published online on various websites (See "External links" and "References" sections). These websites are independent psychology-related portals and articles get reviews. They are not affiliated with Azad. His only website is nakconsulting.com and there he published some of his articles and also his book.
Best, Ayaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayaz.najafov (talk • contribs) 23:24, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- Ayaz.najafov Still not enough in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 06:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Abradable Powder Coatings
Hola! I (Fauxtoez) was working on an entry for abradable powder coatings and you requested a few changes. Pretty sure this version is quite sourced and ready to be approved; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abradable_Powder_Coatings . Please take a look when you have a moment :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fauxtoez (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Fauxtoez I would be willing to accept it but still add any further available information and sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 06:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
05:08:30, 9 February 2016 review of submission by Marcjc
Hello, I am trying to figure out why my article continues to be declined. I am viewing other wiki pages for television writer/producers that have only imdb pages as references. I am providing five references to notable publications (not including imdb), and my submission continues to be rejected. Please advise.
- Marcjc Still not enough in-depth third-party sources overall for WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister talk 06:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Si Ri Panya School Koh Phangan
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Si_Ri_Panya_School&redirect=no
Hi Onel,
You reviewed the page Si Ri Panya School Koh Phangan (it is a primary and secondary key stage 1 to 3) yesterday and found that it is not notable.
Thank you for your feedback and I have since made a few changes to the references.
reference 3 and 4 are sourced from real estate businesses, they are both unrelated to the school and independent and they are not merely repeating information provided by the school's administration. They are discussing the changes taking place on the island and the growing population and mention the school as evidence of this -saying...
reference 2 = "More and more western foreigners (farangs) - including young couples and families - are moving to Koh Phangan for a few years. The trend is clearly illustrated by the number of foreign students that increases every year at Si Ri Panya School"
reference 3 = Whereas once there were only a small number of children being schooled in Koh Phangan, there is a growing community of international families resident on the island. Si Panya school is an international school for children from ages 5-13. The school is soon moving to a purpose built school which is on bigger premises to accommodate the quickly expanding student numbers. For the first year ever, Si Panya will be offering a year 7 class (the equivalent of secondary school in the UK).
Reference 5 and 9 are from our local "newspapers" both are independent and reliable there editors value fact-checking and accuracy and are not in any way related to the school
reference 5 is from 'Koh Phangan Island News' is an independent local news site that again speak about the big difference having an international school will make to life on the island and the current state of education here.
reference 9 = from "Koh Phangan Information" again an independent local news site that is actually rather negative about the school, it is a lengthy comprehensive article that talks about education and literacy rates in Thailand as a whole and the education choices on the island, and how up until now many wealthy Thais have chosen to send their children off the island to be educated, and how the availability of the international school has made a notable difference to the islanders way of life.
There are now 10 references, some more notable than others ;) but I am hoping this article may now be allowed. 10 independent sources may not sound like a lot but for a small island of 125km/sq in the middle of nowhere with a total population of just 13,200 people it is significant media coverage, in fact we have been written about by every local news source on the island and being written abut by "Bangkok Post" for example is not at all likely.
on the wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28high_schools%29 it mentions how hard it can be for schools in Asia to find reliable internet sources - we are a small island within Asia and this seems to be exactly the problme I am encountering, we are very notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia but it is all local coverage.
"In major developed countries, many independent, reliable sources about schools can be found on the Internet, beyond the scope of the trivial. However, outside those countries, and particularly for countries in Asia and Africa, Internet coverage is poor. Where this is the case then, to avoid systemic bias, local sources should be sought."
Could I ask for your advice how to proceed so we can get the article included in wikipedia and part of the encyclopedia.
Sarah white 1 (talk) 05:33, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sarah white 1 This is unlikely to satisfy schools notability guidelines. SwisterTwister talk 06:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Sarah white 1 - I'm afraid SwisterTwister is correct. Regarding your sources, a couple are from blogs, so they don't count, same with the Youtube source. The issue with sources like real estate sites, city sites, etc. are they are constructed to advertise for that particular community, and so therefore they are not the most reliable sources, since they tend to simply write about almost anything to do with the location. It is very rare that an elementary school qualifies for the notability criteria. I wish I had better news. Onel5969 TT me 15:56, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
12:05:04, 9 February 2016 review of submission by Klidenengro
- Klidenengro (talk · contribs)
Dear Onel5969,
Thank you for reviewing the proposed Wikipedia page on Violet M Digby and for your constructive comments.
The issue of notability is an interesting one. You invite me to make a case for Violet, but the task is one which is hampered by distance in time, by fashion and by the indifference to the role of women which prevailed in her lifetime. Violet was a notable woman of her generation. At the time of Partition in 1947 there were fewer than 700 British members of the Indian Civil Service, and few of them were accompanied by their wives. Violet, as the wife of a senior British High Court Judge, Kenelm George Digby, was one of very few such women in India, and, as such, was extremely well known to her peers, however insignificant the role of such ‘First Ladies’ may seem today. Even though the notability of her husband is sufficient for him to qualify for a page in Wikipedia, in my first draft, I sought to avoid the association with her official position as the wife of this very senior Indian Civil Servant out of a sensitivity to the feminist norms of our own generation. In the latest draft I have tried to suggest her status a little more strongly.
The history of the British in India has been similarly out of fashion since the end of Empire, but as the distance in time increases, so has an interest in a more nuanced approach to the complex relationship between the governors and the governed. Violet M Digby is a part of that complex mosaic, as is her role as a ‘traditionalist’ in the history of the St Ives colony of artists, in which interest continues to grow (in the form of at least one television programme [The Art of Cornwall, BBC 2010, presented by Dr James Fox] and a number of newspaper articles, e.g., http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/may/09/tate-st-ives-modern-artists-localism .
Violet’s notability as a member of the St Ives Society of Artists (STISA) is also clouded by the politics of the colony, but for reasons other than that of her gender. It is curious and unfortunate fact that none of the historians of STISA have compiled a page for Wikipedia, choosing instead to write about the fractiousness of the society in other media. An online search will suggest the range of material. The reason why Violet M Digby does not immediately appear in the online search is partly explained by the old maxim that ‘history is written by the victors’. Violet was on the losing side of the factional dispute between the ‘traditionalists’ and the ‘modernists’. David Tovey (www.stivesart.info), who had access to Violet’s diaries, wrote an article about Violet M Digby reproduced on page 35 of ‘Violet M Digby, A St Ives Painter in Kashmir’. The following extract will give some flavour of why the traditionalists, like Violet, lost out.
The artistic community in St Ives during the 1950s was divided into cliques and was riven with ill feeling. After the split of 1949, which left permanent scars, there were further bust ups within the Penwith Society, as Nicholson and Hepworth sought to convert it into a society for abstract artists only. Leonard Fuller, Marion Hocken and other more traditionally minded artists, who had been founder members of the Penwith Society, were soon made to feel unwelcome and drifted back to STISA. Then, in 1955, there was a further coup within STISA, when Bernard Ninnes was ousted as Chairman, for holding too modernist an outlook, and a more reactionary committee was put in place, which featured leading marine painters, Claude Muncaster, as President, and Charles Pears and STISA founder, George Bradshaw, as Vice-Presidents. For instance, Muncaster, whom Violet records as socialising with in her diary and who shortly afterwards became president of RSMA, launched into an astonishing tirade in his first AGM, calling extremist forms of modern art “dangerous, decadent and destructive” and “a sort of Teddy-boy business” influenced by the Russians! Whilst this narrow-minded attitude now seems laughable, traditionalists in the late 1950s became increasingly indignant at the attitude that the media were taking towards representational art, for it became the target of brutal disparaging remarks, whilst funding bodies would not even contemplate giving it any support. Many traditional artists, who had enjoyed successful careers, were now facing financial ruin, and were exceedingly bitter.
In the Wikipedia guidelines about notability to which you directed me, is another contentious matter, which is that of sources. Clearly, and for good reason in the majority of cases, Wikipedia favours secondary sources, over less accessible primary source material. In the case of Violet Digby there is a considerable body of work and a large archive of material about her, which has only recently been made available to those who wish to examine it. Most academics would surely prefer primary to secondary sources, and the primary sources are now available and have been examined by historians and enthusiasts. This primary source material has resulted in a book about Violet, and has attracted the interest of historians of Cornish Art like David Tovey (http://www.stivesart.info). In the Violet Digby archive is a letter from David Brown, then Assistant Keeper of the Modern Collection of the Tate Gallery in London, seeking more information about Violet for the gallery records, saying that he was given the address by Howard Hodgkin, who also qualifies for a Wikipedia page.
The trustees of the Violet Digby collection intend to donate the archive to either the Tate Modern in St Ives, or to the Courtauld Institute in London, so that access is easier for those who do not live in Jersey CI, where the archive is now stored, and can be accessed only by appointment.
Another reason for the thinness of Violet’s presence in the record is that she did not need to, and therefore did not part with many paintings in her lifetime. Her son, Simon Digby (an oriental scholar who also appears in the pages of Wikipedia), held on to the paintings for his own pleasure. The result is that very few of Violet’s paintings have appeared in the commercial record for more than 60 years. The charity set up in Simon Digby’s name on his death in 2010 now holds the paintings, and it has been offered an exhibition of Violet’s work at the Nehru Centre in London in April of this year. After the exhibition, the trustees will arrange for the paintings to be auctioned. Thus Violet will re-appear in the commercial record and the number of Internet searches for Violet M Digby will inevitably increase. I hope that that the suggestion that Wikipedia does not have hard and fast rules, will allow some flexibility on this issue of ‘notability’. I am confident that the Wikipedia page will be a useful resource for historians of the British in India, for historians of the colony of artists in St Ives and for those that admire the work of this talented and rather curious artist.
With many thanks for your consideration.
- Hi Klidenengro - I'll let another editor take a swing at the notability issue, but before they do, you really need to edit the article to a more neutral, more encyclopedic tone. Only use the artist's last name throughout, after its first mention, never by her first name. Get rid of all commentary, especially if it is unsourced, such as "...the class of British colonial civil servants and engineers which by the time of her death in 1960 was fast disappearing;" "Kidd and Mrs Carnell became firm friends and decided to remain together in Europe with their daughters, Violet and Enid, rather than return to the East to manage their husbands' households;" or "Violet had spent quite a lot of money on her expeditions to Kashmir and was feeling the pinch." Just reduce it to facts. Notability aside, it'll get declined for the tone. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 16:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
13:27:31, 9 February 2016 review of submission by David V. Edgeworth
Structure and formatting will be worked on. I'm quite new to Wikipedia. Neutrality is puzzling, as this entry is based quite heavily on two University of Riga documents, one by Rosne and the other by Gringerga, the latter was a successful thesis examined by the professors at the Riga Academy of Art.
The artist has a small following here in the UK, as well as other English speaking countries, and so a Wiki page was deemed useful to those who have an interest in this artist.
If you can be more specific regarding neutrality, I'd be grateful. Thank you.
(David V. Edgeworth (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC))
- Hi David V. Edgeworth - It's not a heavy neutrality issue, more of an informal tone, really, and quite frankly, that's the terminology I should have used to begin with, my apologies. Phrases like "...to devote the rest of his life to his art," "Their marriage however reached a critical point during the war years," and "It was in this period of his life that Arnolds Mazitis developed a strong artistic friendship," are pretty informal, as is the constant use of his full name throughout the article, after the first time, simply refer to him by his last name. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 16:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: BuckleyGrayYeoman (January 23)
Hi, you kindly reviewed my draft on BuckleygrayYeoman. Since then I reworked it many times. Would you be able to let me know if it s ok now regarding the Wikipedia editing policy? Thanks a lot for your help https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:BuckleyGrayYeoman&oldid=702121954
- Hi ArchitectureZMJ - I'll let another editor review it. To me, it still doesn't pass the notability standards. They are a successful firm, but not notable. Perhaps another editor will see it differently. Onel5969 TT me 02:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Onel5969, thanks for your message. Could you explain what do you mean by not notable? All the other UK architectural firms that are ranked the same as BuckleyGrayYeoman (same size, same kind of project) have wikipedia pages such as :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Williams
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assael_Architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Parry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jestico_%2B_Whiles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapman_Taylor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopkins_Architects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_Architects
And many others... Would you be able to tell me what is the difference so I could understand? For example the two latest one in the list below have even long list of projects and awards which have been told it s not correct. I feel a bit confused then as it seems to be the judgment of one person here with no clear wikipedia guidelines.
Please see this link: https://aj100awards.architectsjournal.co.uk/aj120-2015. They are in the top 50 architectural practice in the UK.
Thanks for your help
New article spreadsheetweb
Hello Onel5969,
I'm Ethan, thank you for reviewing my draft! - it's this article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SpreadsheetWEB Even though i've been here for years, this is my first article on Wikipedia. I checked several other pages and did my best with this one. I tried making some changes in the language and modified the references. Is there anything else I can improve? Thank you for your time.
Best
Ethan
- Hi Ethanjkagan - Well, the sources still don't show the notability, all but 1 are either connected to the company, or are press releases, none of which are valid to show notability (and press releases are pretty worthless, period). The article itself is still basically a promo for the software. An article tells us about the software: how it was developed, what made the development of the software significant (without just simply praising the software), who developed it, when it was released, etc. Your article is like a guidebook to the software. Hope that makes sense. Onel5969 TT me 02:34, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
17:17:40, 9 February 2016 review of submission by 75.99.148.6
- 75.99.148.6 (talk · contribs)
Why was this submission declined? Valid, third-part sources have been used to cite the subject adequately. Although tone of writing should be more objective, less advertisement.
Request on 11:42:33, 10 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by David V. Edgeworth
Hi, your elaboration is very helpful indeed. I began to wonder: to what level of neutrality I needed to go (having read the neutrality guidelines). I'm busy on other projects right now, but I'll read and re-read your other links and work on the structure and formatting in next few days-ish. I should by then have some decent quality photographs of his landscapes, still life paintings and portraits (with permissions!) and also a mugshot (well, hopefully, better than just a mugshot) of the artist to throw into a summary box feature.
On a general point, I first looked up some of his contemporaries and their Wiki entries, and the tone differed quite considerably. His mentor, Professor Valdemars Tone, has a French language Wiki page and his chess partner and friend Anslavs Eglitis has a Latvian Wiki page (even though he lived most of his adult life in California). The approach of the contributors who created those pages differ from each other in so many ways. It was hard to gauge what was acceptable. (David V. Edgeworth (talk) 11:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)) David V. Edgeworth (talk) 11:42, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi David V. Edgeworth - Not only the editors, but each individual Wiki has its own style and notability guidelines. English Wiki, being the largest and oldest, has the most developed guidelines. You'll find articles on other Wikis which we might have accepted 10 years ago, but won't anymore. Onel5969 TT me
Rejected draft
Hey, Thank you for reviewing my draft for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:John_Garcia_Gensel I made some edits to neutralize the tone after reading through the instructions attached to the "submission declination". There was a comment about using reliable independent references- all 14 references noted are of such sort. I have now added hypelinks to the original articles, rather that the annotation. I would like to improve this article so it can be submitted, and was hoping you could provide me with more specific "pointers" following the applied changes.
Thank you for the effort, Billie בילי (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by בילי (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
17:35:51, 10 February 2016 review of submission by Zackholden
- Zackholden (talk · contribs)
I'm curious as to how it read as an advertisement when there are several credible sources cited throughout it and it reads quite neutrally, there's no promotional angle to it whatsoever.
- Hi Zackholden - because it reads like a promotional piece (or a fan's blog) for the company, rather than an article about the company. Onel5969 TT me 21:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Notability and submission for Ryder Cooley
Dear Onel5969:
Ms. Cooley has been an "artist in resident" in a multitude of colleges, museums and galleries nationally and internationally. She has, as well, received coveted awards. There is a large amount of this material, and I was hesitant about citing so much, that I guess I'm guilty of understating. She has numerous recordings to her name as well. So, I will fill the article out with the awards, honors and residencies. Thank you for your constructive advice.
Slachutm (talk) 04:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Slachutm - Definitely be aware of WP:OVERCITE, but currently the article has not a single reference. As you add facts, they should be cited from independent sources (unless it's an uncontroversial thing, like parents, or date of birth, etc. - those can come from sites affiliated with the artist). To show notability for this artist, you'll need to cite at least 3 in-depth articles about her from independent, reliable sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 21:17, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Question regarding the submission referencing : Ghatam Suresh
Dear Onel5969,
This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
I received this reason for declining my wikipedia submission on Ghatam Suresh owing to lack of adequate references in regards to the subject's notability. I just wanted to better understand the specific portion of my submission that you felt was inadequately referenced?
Appreciate if you could throw more light onto the specifics in your response so that it will help me to resubmit my draft submission. While I've provided with four references along with external links all mentioning about the subject, it would be helpful to point out which part of my submission lacks referencing. Appreciate it!
Thanks, Ragovaid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rago vaid (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Rago vaid - I see you've resubmitted, so someone else must have answered your questions. Take care. Onel5969 TT me 12:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Onel5969,
Actually no one answered the question - I was looking forward to your reply. I had resubmitted a version trying to add citation superscripts on the description to the existing references only. I would appreciate if you could review it. Thanks, Ragovaid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rago vaid (talk • contribs) 20:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Question regarding the deletion of Steve Bresky from Choate
Dear Onel5969,
I believe Steve Bresky to be quite a relevant figure as the President & CEO of a Fortune 500 and an American billionaire. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-03-15/hidden-billionaires-in-plain-sight-emerge-as-stocks-rise. Can you explain your decision here?
Thanks, Cubs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubswin002 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Absolutely, Cubswin002 - The criteria for inclusion on the page reads (among other things): "Only people who already have a Wikipedia article may appear here. This establishes notability." That's a pretty standard inclusion criteria for Wikipedia "notability" pages, else it would be too time consuming for editors to prevent lots of non-notable folks from pages like this, and the list getting clogged with a bunch of peoples' friends and relatives. Having a wikipage also helps establish the connection between the person and the list they are being added to. For example, the article you posted above mentions nothing of his having attended Choate. Onel5969 TT me 21:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Question regarding the deletion of HYDOURITE FESTIVAL feature
HI, My article "Hydourite Festival" was rejected and has been apparently deleted. Can you please let me know how can we get it golive. It will be a great help as we are now starting our new season and it is public festival of music and dance. Please find a link here under. Let me know if you need any further information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Hydourite_Festival&action=edit&redlink=1
Thanks & regards Ramakrishna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydourite (talk • contribs) 12:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Hydourite - I see the draft's been restored. It was deleted because there was no activity on it for over 6 months. But you misconstrue the purpose of Wikipedia: it's not for advertising your event. It's an encyclopedia, and we document notable events (and people, etc.) For your article to go live, you have to document it's notability and you have to write it in a neutral, non-promotional tone. Hope this helps. Formatting the cites correctly as per WP:CIT wouldn't hurt either. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, LazyLilac here regarding this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anthony_Charles_Robinson - I understand why it was rejected, it would be good to know if some of the article would be accepted so that the whole thing doesn't have to be rewritten. Were there sections which were ok? Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by LazyLilac (talk • contribs) 15:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- LazyLilac Hmm, the article is amply sourced but still needs to focus with any further available in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 18:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- SwisterTwister Ok thanks for the advice, I am getting the article edited and will try to find more third party sources. User:LazyLilac
- LazyLilac Hmm, the article is amply sourced but still needs to focus with any further available in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 18:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anne_Elizabeth_(Author)
The article has been changed based on your recommendations and through the helpful edits of other Wikipedia editors. I am currently tracking down citations and references for one item. If a suitable reference cannot be found then the item will be deleted. U.S. Navy SEALs and their families are usually very tight lipped about their social work and efforts so it may be difficult to obtain a reference that is needed.
Thank you for your speedy initial review. Is there a link beyond the above referenced article itself that is available for tracking its progress?
Odubhain (talk) 17:23, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Odubhain It still needs any further available in-depth third-party sources overall to satisfy WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister talk 18:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Samuel J. Briskin
The article Samuel J. Briskin you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Samuel J. Briskin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wikicology -- Wikicology (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Congratulations!. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 18:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
- Wikicology - Thanks!!! Really appreciate you taking the time. Onel5969 TT me 02:43, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 22:26:59, 13 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Odubhain
Odubhain (talk) 22:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Need your help, guidance and advice
Hello there,
Greetings for the day.
Kindly note I am trying to create article related to Balrajeshware Mandir (Temple), a religious place in Mulund, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India. This temple is 100 years old, and there is a road name on Temple (Balrajeshwar Road) and this temple is situated on Balrajeshwar Road itself only.
I have submitted/resubmitted this article three times and it's been rejected for lack of Reliable Source of reference. I have tried to find many many sources of references, only mange to find Google Map link, Google plus link, two news papers link and two official government links, and one website (wwww.balrajeshwarmahadev.info). These all references have provided in this last edit, mentioned in second table.
Kindly help me to understand would these links reasonable enough to create this article?
Please give your comments and guidance creating this article.
Note: Enclosing / last submitted current article and link details for your ready reference.
Thanx and rgds,
Dhuffiwala (talk) 07:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
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| Balrajeshwar Mahadev Mandir (Temple) [1] is dedicated to the Hindu god Shiva, situated in Mulund (West) on the junction of Balrajeshwar Road [2] and Lal Bahadur Shastri Marg [3] next to Keva Fragrances [4]also very near to R-Mall. The Balrajeshwar Mahadev Mandir [5] was established by Late Shri Godhardas Khattau approximately a 100 years ago (this event was celebrated from 22nd September to 24th September 2001).
Every year the festival of Maha Shivratri [6] (the day lord Shiva was married to goddess Parvati) is celebrated on very big scale. Thousands of devotees visit on Maha Shivratri. From 2013 every year 21 ft high ice Shiva Lingam is created for Darśana [7] around Maha Shivratri festival. |
- Hi Dhuffiwala - Will respond on the draft page, since you've resubmitted. Onel5969 TT me 12:10, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Teaneck High School extracurricular activities
Good morning:
I am questioning your opinion regarding "Peacocky/trivia" and then removing the revision. The first sentence and narrative are the truth: "Teaneck High School has a rich chess legacy , having among its alumni state and national champions." In other parts of the article on Teaneck High School, student names are given, yet when the truth about the winning chess team being "led by Kimberly McClelland", this is deleted. She was the captain of this chess team and supported by the cited article. What appears to be the problem? Coach Henry Hali WAS the coach of the winning chess team in 1997 (other coaches are mentioned in other areas of the article, why delete Coach Hali?) His son is presently a linebacker and an alumnus of Teaneck High School. Why was that deleted? These are facts, yet for some reason, unilaterally they were perceived as trivia. If that were the case, most articles in Wikipedia would be "peacock/trivia". I would appreciate a review with another editor (second opinion) to adjudicate these true statements. Thank you.14:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Yvonne Thornton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonne S. Thornton (talk • contribs)
- Hi Yvonne S. Thornton - and thanks for asking the question. First, statements like "has a rich chess legacy" are commentary. I know they pop up all the time on Wikipedia, but that's simply since there are only like 2000 active editors to watch over 5 million pages. It's nice prose, but it doesn't belong in Encyclopedia article (a magazine article would be a different outcome, where it would be entirely appropriate). Second, just because something is a fact, doesn't make it non-trivial. For example, it's a fact that David Patent came in 2435 in the 2015 Boston Marathon. I can even cite it (although you do have to put in the 2300-2400 parameter in the search it brings up), but it's still trivia. While inclusion of names in articles do not have to reach the same level of notability as they would to get an article, to simply include names of non-notable folks is pretty much the definition of trivia. It dilutes the article. Now, if Joel Benjamin had been the coach of the team, or its captain, that would be one thing. See the difference. But feel free to bring a discussion up on the talk page of the article if you still disagree. That's the nice thing about Wikipedia. Consensus. I could be wrong. Don't think I am, but if you do, you are free to bring up a discussion. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 15:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification. It makes a lot of sense. I can't get over learning that there is only 2000 active editors for 5 million pages. Good luck to you! Have a nice day! 22:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)Yvonne S. Thornton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yvonne S. Thornton (talk • contribs)
14:40:36, 15 February 2016 review of submission by Meddy007
Hello Onel5969,
I would like to have your feedback on the article about Diamond Trust Bank (Tanzania) Limited. I would like know what made the article appear as an advertisement, and how I can better it to become a valid article on Wikipedia.
- Hi Meddy007 - The biggest issue is the lengthy list of branches. Only of interest to potential customers. The rest is relatively ok, except for the sentence "transforming itself from a community based finance house into a growing non-bank financial institution (NBFI), extending its services to the general public of Tanzania," which while informative, is also promotional. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 19:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
15:03:39, 15 February 2016 review of submission by Rago vaid
Dear Onel5969,
This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
I received this reason for declining my wikipedia submission on Ghatam Suresh owing to lack of adequate references in regards to the subject's notability. I just wanted to better understand the specific portion of my submission that you felt was inadequately referenced?
Appreciate if you could throw more light onto the specifics in your response so that it will help me to resubmit my draft submission. While I've provided with four references along with external links all mentioning about the subject, it would be helpful to point out which part of my submission lacks referencing. Appreciate it!
Thanks, Ragovaid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rago vaid (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Rago vaid - I see you've resubmitted, so someone else must have answered your questions. Take care. Onel5969 TT me 12:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Onel5969, Actually no one answered the question - I was looking forward to your reply. I had resubmitted a version trying to add citation superscripts on the description to the existing references only. I would appreciate if you could review it and suggest any modification as deemed necessary. Thanks, Ragovaid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rago vaid (talk • contribs) 20:50, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Rago vaid - I make it a rule not to respond once an editor has resubmitted. I'll wait now to see what another editor says in the next review. Onel5969 TT me 19:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Rejected article
Hello Onel5969, I am writing to you as you are the last reviewer of my draft 'Karlovac Piano Festival'. During last several months I tried to improve my article based on all the previously suggested comments. At this point, I am not sure I can do anything more to make it better. My impression is however that your rejection is narrow minded, and as such it doesn't acknowledge the real value of this subject in its pertinent nature. I am a long-time Wikipedia user and at the moment very puzzled about Wikipedia values. Wikipedia covers all kind of 'trash - yellow journalism' topics, and it doesn't want to acknowledge such INTERNATIONALLY recognized festival. A knowledgable reviewer should know that fine-arts events are difficult cultivate and promote. In that respect, Wikipedia should potentially be more flexible when evaluating referential background of those types of subjects. Of course, I am doubtful that this message will change any outcome, but I just want to express my disappointment. Stay well, WorldFood — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldFood (talk • contribs) 15:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi WorldFood - part of the issue regarding "Wikipedia values" which you mention above is a factor of the way Wikipedia is run, by volunteers. These folks tend to use the most convenient form for research: the internet. The internet, in turn, is dominated by what interests the vast majority of users: in other words, mostly crap about popular topics, so I agree with your assessment. So I agree, it is more difficult to document the notability of less popular items like this festival. This article, as it stands, is close to showing it's notability. It could use another in-depth article from an independent, reliable source, and then it would have no issue regarding reliability. Keep looking for one. Also, please take a look at WP:CIT on how to properly format citations. When you do format them, put the parameter language= in the citation, so that readers will know the citation is in a foreign language. Also, even though the underlying references are in a foreign language, the citation should be in English. Regardless, I'm going to move it to the mainspace. I'd appreciate it if you could format those citations, and please try to add another citation, as it might not pass an AfD challenge with its current references. Onel5969 TT me 19:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hello Oneal5969 - I was positively surprised by your encouraging comments as well as your reconsideration of my article. Many thanks! I will immediately work on the issues you mentioned. Warm regards WorldFood — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldFood (talk • contribs) 15:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Re-review Article - Arnon Mantver
Hi Oneal5969 I would like to know the reason for rejecting Arnon's article. You have mentioned that the reason is not adequately supported by reliable sources. I saw that by mistake I attached only Hebrew links. I will change it to English sites links. Is it will be OK? Thanks, EyalEyal123456 (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Eyal123456 - There's no rule against non-English sources, although since this is English Wikipedia, those articles do tend to take longer to evaluate. But your article has no references. When you do, they need to be inline. See WP:CIT and WP:ILC. Onel5969 TT me 21:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Oneal5969 - You are absolutely right. My mistake. I will add references inline, and also links to some relevant English source articles. Thanks, eyal 149.88.110.87 (talk) 05:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Oneal5969 - I updated the article as requested. Hope it's ok now. EyalEyal123456 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Oneal, when do you think the article will be re-review? EyalEyal123456 (talk) 15:37, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Oneal5969 - I updated the article as requested and added lots of in line referrences . Hope it's ok now. Please approve this article. EyalEyal123456 (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
New page about George Parbury
Hi I just wanted to say thanks for having looked at my submission so quickly and for your comments on it. My wife had said "it's too discursive" before I submitted it. She was right... --Jgdc47B (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC) George_Parbury
Request on 18:15:37, 15 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Knayeri
Frankly, I am baffled by the reason given for rejecting my submission "Yadullah Khosroshahi" because is not shown to be notable! How can a central leader of the key industry in Iran, the oil industry, and of the Iranian labor movement, in four generations NOT BE NOTABLE! Iran has been ruled by U.S.-backed dictatorship from 1953-1979 and since 1979 by a clerical dictatorship. Both regimes crushed Iranian workers when they tried to organize a union or demand improvement in their lives. Khosroshahi and his colleague defied these regimes and organized oil workers in unions, strike committees and workers councils. If the historical significance of these actions is lost tot he reader is probably because he/she does not know the Iranian history, that the general strike by the oil workers in October-November 1978 broke the back of the Marshall Law and the Shah's ;leadership. Khosroshai was directly a key leader of that effort.
But what are the sources for a biography of Khosroshahi? There are literally dozens of interviews, articles that he generated in his life time. For a biography I drew on two of his autographical interviews. There are also a number of tributes paid to his life as a labor leader. I cited a number of them all published in Arash, a dissident journal published in Paris, in exile. There are generally no venues to publish about labor leaders who ere jailed and tortured by the Islamic Republic inside Iran. So, what other sources do you expect to find about Khosroshahi? Those who support labor rights praised him. Those who oppose labor rights jailed and tortured him and kept silent about his significance to the Iranian history.
As for my own credentials: I am a retired academic with 30 years of service at the State University of New York and University of California at Berkeley. During this period, I have written hundreds of articles for peer-reviewed journals and served as an editor on a number of editorial board of academic journals. So I need not take an introductory course in Wikipedia on how to write and edit an article. Khosroshahi belonged to the labor movement who members are not academic and therefore do not write about their lives and struggles. Because I was fortunate to know Khosroshahi and collaborated with him as co-editor for Labor Links I felt an obligation to introduce him to the world through an entry in Wikipedia.
So, I appreciate your constructive help to get his biography completed and published on Wikipedia. As all entries are, this one will improve over time. I hope to collect and add a list of his work at the end of this essay later.
Thank you for your assistance.
Kamran Nayeri, Ph.D.
Knayeri (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry you're baffled, Knayeri, but your article currently has nothing outside of non-independent sources and a single publication who has printed a couple of articles/interviews about him, and it's not a notable magazine. On top of the lack of referencing, the article suffers from a rather large POV issue. The current draft is more suited for a leisure magazine, rather than an encyclopedia. Finally, most of the article is devoid of citations, therefore it appears like it is original research, which isn't really allowed on Wikipedia. Please read WP:GNG on what constitutes notability on Wikipedia, and then WP:RS on what constitutes reliable sources. Happy editing. Onel5969 TT me 21:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 19:16:46, 15 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Demes Monica
- Demes Monica (talk · contribs)
Dear Onel5969,this is my firts wikipedia article and I thought I had written in an objective way, all the information I have noted is true, so I would be very appreciated that things have to change in order to raise the article. Thank you.
Demes Monica (talk) 19:16, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
monica demes
Dear Onel5969 I thought I had written in an objective way, all the information I have noted is true, so I would be very appreciated that things have to change in order to raise the article. Thank you.demes monica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Demes Monica (talk • contribs) 19:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Demes Monica - First, because of your username it appears you might have a conflict of interest with the article's subject. Take a look at WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Second, little phrases like "featured in over 150 film festivals", "Demes continued to evolve as sensitive and creative film maker ..", and the entire paragraph beginning with "Inspired by her study ...", are all tending to be promotional. Just state facts, not commentary. Next, the large section about the different productions, with the oversize pictures (they should be thumbnails), comes off as a promotional brochure. But the two largest issues are the referencing. First, currently, there are no in-depth articles from independent sources. And second, there are no in-line citations, which would be required, see WP:ILC. Finally, it would be nice if the sources were formatted properly as per WP:CIT.
- If you are the subject, you should find an objective editor to write the article for you, and hopefully you do the research on the references. Does that make sense? Onel5969 TT me 22:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Karlovac Piano Festival has been accepted
Thanks. I have edited some more to make it more connected to other contributions. I appreciate your efforts. Michael I. Miller. Mim.cis (talk) 20:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
21:44:19, 15 February 2016 review of submission by 11lionsd
Please kindly review this submission. I have followed all indications and advices from fellow editors. I would like to know how it is possible that a below middle management project manager Roberto Ripa can have a wikipage already now since 2 years but the CEO since the last 14 years does not have his own page. There are well documented resources from reliable editors and publications. The article is written in a matter of fact tone not indifferent to other articles written about same level professional colleagues. Please indicate specifically how this article may be published.
- Hi 11lionsd - since you've already resubmitted, let's let another editor take a swing at the article. And I have no idea who Roberto Ripa is... doesn't seem to be an article on Wikipedia about any person by that name. Onel5969 TT me 22:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you one15969 for your suggestion. My desire is exactly that to have an editor review the article. This is my first attempt to submit an article and I am becoming very intrigued by the Wikipedia project. After I have learned more from more experienced editors like yourself I would like to explore and expand on other people's articles. Thank you again. And just to follow up on your question [1]. Onel5969 TT me 12:30, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
References
21:52:28, 15 February 2016 review of submission by LINDOZ 1
Draft:EMDEX - My final submission
When leading global research institutions are looking for drug data from Nigeria and West Africa, they look up EMDEX.
When a pharmaceutical manufacturer in Asia is researching on pharma market in Africa, they turn to EMDEX.
When an NGO in North America or elsewhere is looking for clinical drug reference for use in Africa, EMDEX provides most of the answers.
How else do you validate the notability of a publication?
EMDEX (full meaning Essential Medicines InDEX) has been supporting clinical best practice in Nigeria and the sub region for 25 years. 2016 is the 25th anniversary of EMDEX.
EMDEX is a drug formulary used by Nigeria’s healthcare professionals. An authoritative reference on all drug products approved for use in Nigeria.
As a reference source of drug and therapeutic information, EMDEX is used in every healthcare community in Nigeria. Globally, pharmaceutical companies and research organizations use EMDEX when studying Nigeria’s pharmaceutical market.
EMDEX is a pharmacy publication and some background knowledge in health science is required to be able to understand and edit the subject effectively.
Let’s examine Wikipedia notability requirements vis-a-vis the EMDEX draft submission.
“Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed”
EMDEX is essentially the subject of this research work (reference below) by postgraduate pharmacy students at University of Benin, Nigeria. The study validates the widespread use of EMDEX in Nigeria.
"Udezi, W.A.; Oparah, A.C.; Enyi, K.U. (July 2007). "An Investigation of Drug Information Needs of Nigerian Pharmacists". SAGE journals 41 (vol. 41, no. 4): 471–479. doi:10.1177/009286150704100405. Retrieved 16 January 2016"
The other references cited are all secondary sources and have no affiliation to EMDEX organization. The studies are published in internationally acclaimed journals.
Thanks
LINDOZ 1 (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I wish to appeal your decision. First, your position is that an entry for Wikipedia MUST BE based on mainstream publications. In this view, Lech Walesa would not have had an e try had the Polish Communist dictatorship could have destroyed Solidarity early on.
Second, you belittle sources that Iranians value highly. Arash Magazine that is not longer publishing was the premier opposition magazine for the Iranian intellectuals in exile. The March 2010 issue devoted an entire section to tributes to Yadullah Khosroshahi because of the notable role this man played in the Iranian labor movement and in the struggle against the Shah's regime and the Islamic Republic (the link is to the web edition but it was printed as a magazine and sold across the world). You do not notice another valued magazine--Though and Society published in Iran until his editor had to flee repression and took asylum in Sweden.
Third, Wikipedia has published other entries on the Iranian labor and socialist issues and people with far fewer citations. For example, see the entry for the Labour Party of Iran which has only one reference.
Fourth, if in principle Wikipedia editors accept that Khosroshahi is entitled to an entry then I would be happy to work with them to edit the text to match whatever style they find appropriate. But to deny that this man is indeed a historical figure is to deny Iranian history at least for the big majority of Iranian.
Please let me know how to proceed.
Thank you.
Kamran Nayeri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knayeri (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Simply resubmit. I won't comment or evaluate the article. Let another editor take a look. Onel5969 TT me 22:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Improved Draft about Mircea Itu
Dear User:onel5969, I've worked further on Mircea Itu's page. Please kindly take a look at the Draft and let me know your feedback and where it needs further improvement so that to be accepted. Thank you kindly. Clairec78 (talk) 22:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Clairec78 - The sourcing still needs work. Most of the sourcing is from non-independent sources, or at most is a brief mention of the subject. There are also style and structure issues with the piece. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
- Introduction and Getting started
- Contributing to Wikipedia
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- How to edit a page and How to develop articles
- How to create your first article
- Simplified Manual of Style
- How to structure and layout your article
- On how to properly format your citations
- I hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 14:28, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Dear User:onel5969, Firstly, I apologize for the lengthy message. Thank you for your quick reply and useful feedback. In regards to sources in Mircea Itu’s article WP:IS I am trying to explain below why each citation has been included on Itu’s article. Kindly please give individual feedback for me to understand how to improve the sourcing:
1. Bryan Rennie’s citation ([2]) is located on www.westminster.edu, which is the official website of Westminster College in Pennsylvania, where Professor Rennie works as staff. Therefore, it is an official independent source (media – online link), because it has editorial independence and there is no conflict of interest. The information about Itu is complex and not trivial. Here is also Professor Rennie’s page as member of staff at Westminster College: [3]
2. James Heisig’s citation ([4]) is located on [5], which is the official website of Nanzan Institute for Religion and Culture, Nagoya, Japan, where Professor emeritus James Heisig works as staff: [6]. Therefore, it is an official independent source (media – online link), because it has editorial independence and there is no conflict of interest. The information about Itu is complex and not trivial.
3. Roberto Scagno’s citation (Roberto Scagno, 'Eliade e il Giudeo-Cristianesimo', in Mircea Eliade – Le forme della Tradizione e dell Sacro, a cura di Giovani Casadio e Pietro Mander, Presentazione di Giancarlo Seri, Edizioni Mediterranee, Roma, 2014, nel testo e nota 449 - Roberto Scagno, 'Eliade and the Judeo-Christianity', in Mircea Eliade - The Forms of Tradition and of the Sacred, by Giovani Casadio and Peter Mander, Foreword by Giancarlo Seri, Rome: Edizioni Mediterranee, Rome, 2014, in the text and note 449) is an independent source, scholarly book. This book is highly cited by academics in the field of study. Roberto Scagno is Professor at University of Padua, Italy: [7]
4. MacLinscott Ricketts’ citation (MacLinscott Ricketts, 'The History of the History of Religions in Romania', in Religion, volume 32(1), Oxford, Taylor&Francis Group, 2002, pages 71-85) is an independent source, scholarly book. This book is highly cited in the field of study. This is the actual citation in the book about Itu, recognizing him as historian of religions in Romania and it is not trivial: ‘Among a new generation of Historians of Religions in Romania is Mircea Itu (b. 1968) of Brașov. He studied Sanskrit, Bengali and Hindi for five years at the University of Bucharest under Amitā Bhose, then studied for a year (1992–93) at Āgrā.’. Professor emeritus MacLinscott Ricketts is Mircea Eliade’s most important living biograph. He works at Westminster College: [8] and [9]
5. Natale Spineto’s citation (Natale Spineto, in Julien Ries, Natale Spineto (editors), Esploratori del pensiero umano - Georges Dumézil e Mircea Eliade, Milano: Jaca Book, page 223.) Here is the actual citation in the book: ‘Su Eliade e l’India, la trattatione più ampia è quella di M. Itu, Indianismul lui Eliade, Brașov, 1997; dello stesso autore, L'indianisme de Mircea Eliade, tesi di dottorato, EPHE, Section des sciences historiques et philologiques, discussa a Parigi nel 1999. Sul’argomento, si vedano inoltre: A Barbosa da Silva, Phenomenology of Religion, in General and of M.Eliade’s Phenomenological Approach in Particular, Uppsala 1982, pages 161-171; F. Scialpi, 'Condizione umana e liberazione nelle religioni dell’India', in L. Arcella, P. Pis, R. Scagno (a cura di), Confronto con Mircea Eliade, Archetipi mitici e identità storica, Milano 1998, pages 197-218.’ ('On Eliade and India, the most complex analysis is that of M. Itu, Indianismul lui Eliade (Eliade's Indology), Brașov, 1997; by the same author, L'indianisme de Mircea Eliade, Ph.D. thesis, EPHE, Section des sciences historiques et philologiques, presented in Paris 1999. On the topic, see also: A Barbosa da Silva, Phenomenology of Religion, in General and of M.Eliade’s Phenomenological Approach in Particular, Uppsala 1982, pages 161-171; F. Scialpi, 'Condizione umana e liberazione nelle religioni dell’India', in L. Arcella, P. Pis, R. Scagno (editor), Confronto con Mircea Eliade, Archetipi mitici e identità storica, Milano 1998, pages 197-218. It is an independent source, scholarly book, one of the most cited books in the field of study. The citation is not trivial. Natale Spineto qualifies Itu's contribution to Eliade and India as 'the most complex' in the field of study, citing his book Eliade's Indology and his Ph.D. thesis from University of Paris. He also integrates Itu in a group of scholars on Eliade and India, such as A. Barbosa da Silva, F. Scialpi, but putting him first on the list. Natale Spineto is Associate Professor at University of Turin, Italy: [10]
6. Michel Angot’s citation ([11]]) appreciates the book to which Itu is co-author. It is an independent source from Itu, (media - online link). Michel Angot is Professor at University Nanterre Paris, appreciated French Indologist: [12] [13]
7. Aurel Sasu’s citation (Aurel Sasu (editor), Dicționarul biografic al literaturii române (Biographical Dictionary of Romanian Literature), vol. I, page 800. Pitești: Paralela 45 Publishing House, 2004). It is an independent source, a dictionary with biography and bibliography of Romanian writers. Itu’s profile in the dictionary is consistent. It is about Itu’s life, literary and academic works up to 2004, on page 800. Aurel Sasu is an appreciated writer, literary critic and lexicograph in Romania [14].
8. Points to the source in which the information about the prizes awarded to Itu is provided. If the source is not needed, it can be taken out.
9. Points to the source in which the information about the prizes awarded to Itu is provided. If the source is not needed, it can be taken out.
10. Aurel Sasu’s citation is an independent source, (media - online link) that proves that Itu worked in those institutions. If the source is not needed, it can be taken out. This is the link to the actual page on Aurel Sasu’s dictionary on page 800 is Itu Mircea’s profile: [15]
In regards to the Selected Works, I followed the example of some other Wikipedia pages of academics in English, but I am happy to reduce the lengths according to your advice. In regards to the External Links, please let me know which in your view are relevant to keep on the page and I’ll erase the others. As concerns the style and structure, I am happy to make changes if you give me some specifics what to change. For example, in a previous talk page user Xanthomelanoussprog advised me to follow Bryan Rennie’s Wikipedia page structure and style when creating Itu’s article, which I did. I highly appreciate your feedback. Thank you kindly. Clairec78 (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Your revert
While I can understand you felt you had reason to do THIS, please link me to the discussion that decided a suitable and good-faith redlink would not encourage articles. Thanks, Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi MichaelQSchmidt - The discussion happened long before I became involved in the page, but you can see the note at the top of the page if you click the main edit button. Since that's been the status quo for at least the past year or so, if you'd like to bring it up on the talk page, that would be the way to go. And I've seen your responses on other discussions regarding redlinks, and for the most part I agree. I use them myself, but only when I know I'm going to create the article myself. I've also been "guilty" of adding them to dab pages prior to my learning more about what a dab page is for. Hope this makes it clearer. Always a pleasure *speaking* with you. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 14:18, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- So you have no link to that discussion? I would really like to see how and where WP:REDLINK guide is being deliberately refuted. I do not wish wikidrama else I might simply call for a WP:RFC over why that long-standing and widely accepted guideline is being deliberately refuted. Thanks, Schmidt, Michael Q. 22:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Please see the last bullet point in WP:REDDEAL, MichaelQSchmidt, but feel free to start an RFC, or simply discuss it on the talk page. Onel5969 TT me 01:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- And your pointing me to the bullet dealing with Lists of "notable people" is in what manner related to a redlink for a possible film festival article?
- I think what you may not have read was the bullet point that stated "An existing red link can indicate one or more of the following things:" followed by it indicating "A new article is needed. When a Wikipedian writes an article, it is common practice to link key topics pertinent to an understanding of the subject, even if those topics don't have an article on Wikipedia yet. Do not remove these redlinks". While I've underlined for pertinence, the emboldening is actually in the guide. And then followed by "At any time, a Wikipedian may independently write an article on the linked-to subject, and when this happens, there's already a link ready and waiting for it. The red link also gives readers the opportunity to click on it to create the needed article on the spot." So, contrary to your asserted of an un-found consensus, there is no demand that an article "must" precede the link. And reasonable redlinks for new articles ARE specifically encouraged by guideline. We re-writing guideline here? There are editors that feel Wikipedia is now complete, too big, and needs no growth... so if you agree, perhaps you could begin the RFC to yourself seek that guide's removal. Schmidt, Michael Q. 02:07, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Then bring it up on the talk page. Per WP:BRD. As it stands, the editors who have been pretty consistent on the page have held this standard. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 02:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Please see the last bullet point in WP:REDDEAL, MichaelQSchmidt, but feel free to start an RFC, or simply discuss it on the talk page. Onel5969 TT me 01:42, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- So you have no link to that discussion? I would really like to see how and where WP:REDLINK guide is being deliberately refuted. I do not wish wikidrama else I might simply call for a WP:RFC over why that long-standing and widely accepted guideline is being deliberately refuted. Thanks, Schmidt, Michael Q. 22:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
willfilm123
Thank you. We do want to keep the "page" and hope to be approved this November. I am not clear as to what code I need to delete to secure our wishes.
Many thanks
PB. Willfilm123
Peter Bloch 917-213-3308 www.willfilm.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willfilm123 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Willfilm123 - Since it's been deleted you need to submit a request through Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion, which I see you already did one time before, last year. Take it easy.Onel5969 TT me 14:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
05:47:10, 16 February 2016 review of submission by Lemurian.in
- Lemurian.in (talk · contribs)
Hi Onel5969, I have included more neutral tone and good references I so far collected. Mostly from newspaper. Please let me know where I have to improve my article as this is my first one? Lemurian.in (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Lemurian.in - it's still highly promotional. The fashion statement, marketing plan, emerging attractions, company culture and operations sections are all geared towards customers, not to people who want to find out about the company. The lead is also promotional. Just stick to facts, don't try to sell a product. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 15:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Onel5969, I will modifying the contents. Lemurian.in (talk) 15:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
17:24:21, 16 February 2016 review of submission by Ajstrax
Hello,
I've received notice my submitted article on actress Anne Son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anne_Son was declined due to the subject not being "notable". She is currently receiving international press - from the Guardian, Hollywood Reporter, New York Times etc. - for the off-broadway play she stars in. She also has a history of highly publicized credentials. Any advice or suggestions on how this article can better reflect her noteriety and notability would be much appreciated.
Thank you, Ajstrax (talk) 17:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Ajstrax - none of that is in the article. Remember, press must be independent (not press releases) and from reliable sources. It also must be in-depth coverage, not mere mentions or listings. For example, the NYT source currently in the article has two issues with it. First, it is just a mention of the actress; second, it's what known as a press release passing for a news article. Anytime an article contains stuff which says, the "phone number is", or "for more information, please see the website", even if the article has a byline, the lazy reporter is simply regurgitating a press release. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 15:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Gordon Singleton cyclist
Hello,
You were kind enough to help me in the past. Gordon received another award into the Canadian cycling hall of fame, I submitted a link for the citation . Looks like I've done it incorrectly. Perhaps when you have a moment it can be straightened out.
Thank you, Mary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Godak (talk • contribs) 23:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Mary, sorry, but I've given up working on that article. Onel5969 TT me 01:46, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Article Rejected - Jacob Parappally
Hi there,
I have submitted an article on Jacob Parappally, which was rejected because of insufficient reliable resources. This is my first attempt in publishing and this factor is not very clear to me as i have given a good number of independent resources. Could you please clarify me as to this aspect and/ or the things i should do? Sorry for any inconveniences.
Thank you Username: Panachy Article ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jacob_Parappally
Panachy (talk) 10:28, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Panachy
- Hi Panachy - None of the current sources (with the exception of worldcat) appear to be independent of the subject. In addition, there are large formatting and structure issues with the article. Please read the links I provided. Onel5969 TT me 15:27, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Article Rejected - Server Immersion Cooling
Hi, I've corrected the issues in the article as you suggested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Server_Immersion_Cooling
Once the article is published I will try to get permission from different vendors so that we can add photos to each section. I think having photos of the different solutions will make the article much more clarifying.
Let me know if I should adjust anything else. Thanks!
Daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpope83 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Dpope83 - nicely done. I've moved it to the mainspace. Onel5969 TT me 15:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Richie McCaw
Hi there- In regards to the addition I made to the Richie McCaw wiki which you have removed...
This was my first ever edit as a newly registered member. I am not arguing whatsoever with what you have done - the purpose of this message to you is so that I could possibly LEARN more so I can add positively to the site in the future. What did I do wrong? What should I do next time? Regards, Sportswoman100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportswoman100 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Sportswoman100, and welcome to Wikipedia. Instead of starting off by what you did wrong, let me tell you what you did right: You asked a question; you want to learn. Those are good things. Never be afraid to ask questions. Be aware, we're all volunteers here, and sometimes you'll run into someone whos... well, let's just say, they're not having a good day. Don't take it personal. Now, onto what the problems were with your edit. There were two. First, you deleted the infobox of the article. That's pretty much a no-no. Some articles don't have them, but if an article does have one, then you should discuss its removal on the talk page prior to removing it. Second, you added something to the article without a citation to back it up. The fact that the article is a blp (bio of a living person) makes it doubly problematic. You can learn about citations at WP:CITE, and about how to format them at WP:CIT. Here's a good link to help a new user: Wikipedia:Learning the ropes. Good luck and happy editing. And remember, never be afraid to ask a question. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
14:34:49, 17 February 2016 review of submission by Eyalgb
Hello,
I dont understand why the request was denied. can please explain ? can you give examples for the problems and an exmaple solution ? I have loooked again at the guiding information and didnt understand.
Thanks in advnace Eyal Goldberg eyalgb@gmail.com Eyalgb (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Eyalgb - There's not a single reference. There are some external links, but those are not independent of the subject. Please see WP:CITE regarding citations, WP:ILC regarding inline citations (which this article would need being a blp - bio of a living person), and WP:CIT on how to format citations. Onel5969 TT me 15:11, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Rashad West:draft
Hi Onel5969,
I hope all is well. This is RWspecial. I am reaching out in regards to the Rashad West:draft. In the athlete notability guidelines it says "Plays in the major, national, professional league for their sport". This person has played in 5 different FIBA professional basketball teams. Could you please advise on why it was rejected and what needs to be done to get it accepted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RWspecial (talk • contribs) 19:36, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi RWspecial - criteria varies by sport. Please read WP:NHOOPS, which he does not appear to meet. Onel5969 TT me 15:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
09:09:53, 18 February 2016 review of submission by Debsp1
Hi there, please would you help me to understand what other information I need in order for this article to be published?
Thank you so much!
- Hi Debsp1 - I'm going to post some links on your draft. Those should help you out. After looking at those, if you still need help, don't be afraid to ask. Onel5969 TT me 15:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
11:05:19, 18 February 2016 review of submission by Lpttojbmaljrd
Hi - thanks for the review. If it is not too much trouble, it would really help if you could provide a little more information on which sections/ sentences need updating. I have not written an encyclopedia article before, so would be very grateful for a bit more direction of what need amending. I have tried to include only information from sources included in the article, and not to express any opinion. Where the information is not strictly factual, I have tried to reference or quote the source.
- Hi Lpttojbmaljrd - Use of peacock terms such as "renowned", and phrases such as "also often experienced visions of the Infant Christ", spoken in WP's voice, are problematic. Take a look at Paul the Apostle, and how some of the claims about the apostle are worded. In other words, you can't state categorically that she had those visions, but you can state either that she claimed to have those visions, or "according to ... such and such source" she had those visions. You have the citations nicely laid out, although isbn numbers would be nice. Finally, make sure every assertion you have in the article is cited. For example, the entire final section is without references. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 15:38, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Shibanihk (talk) 13:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Hello, hope doing good ..
Above subjected page expired as per following details
(Expired PROD, concern was: No notability claimed and no WP:RS to satisfy WP:GNG. She works in a media house NDTV; no independent sources present.)Shibanihk (talk) 03:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
i wrote to Rjd0060 on 9th Feb and today with request to undelete the same as i can write the same with better content and with over 20 reliable independent source.
I am yet to receive any reply from Rjd0060. What shall i do ?? Thanks and Regards
- Hi Rjd0060 - Go to WP:UNDELETE and put in your request there. Good luck on the article. Onel5969 TT me 13:21, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Onel5969!
Thanks for your assessment of Draft:Daniel Trajtemberg. Now I'm confussed. User:Czar, who first moved it to the draft space, told me that the Rolling Stone interview was an excellent reference. Now the note you left me says that interviews are not good references. There must be a hundred thousand articles in Wikipedia less referenced than this one. This guy has been doing the art for some of the biggest metal Argentine bands for decades, but as this role is usually low-key, he has not a lot of references in mainstream media. Any thoughts? Thanks! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 14:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi ExperiencedArticleFixer - you're probably right about the number of poorly referenced articles. In some instances its due to the fact that notability is conferred automatically (for example, if someone served in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1808, there article might only have a single reference to show that fact, but the fact he was in the House makes them notable). In other instances its due to the fact that they are not notable (we delete dozens of articles every day, and every day there are thousands more). And in still other instances its simply a case of sloppy/lazy editing - the sources are there, but they haven't been included in the article. It's an argument called WP:OSE. Hopefully someday WP will only have well-written, well-cited articles, but with only about 2000 active editors monitoring over 5,000,000 articles, it's a daunting task. I can't speak to what another editor told you, and Czar is a very experienced editor, but there are two Rolling Stone articles. My Spanish is very limited, so I AGF and the one article I assumed was good (although in looking at the article, his name is only mentioned once, so I'm not sure how in-depth the article is about him). The other, however is an interview. While interviews can be good sources, in terms of showing notability they are pretty much worthless, since they are considered primary sources. imdb.com is non-reliable source, as are any sources without editorial oversight, like FB, Twitter, Reddit, LinkedIn, etc. For notability purposes, Discogs is not a good source, neither are those that have a connection to the subject (galleries where his art is shown, commercial sites, etc.). I did searches on News, Newspapers, Books, Highbeam, and Scholar and only found a single mention. I also belong to a site (courtesy of WP) called Newspapers.com, but can't access from my work computer. I'll look there when I get in this evening (I'm in the mountain time zone in the US). I don't know any editors who I could call on to help with South American references, but my advice is to try and find sources through the search engines which focus there. Bottom line is that, assuming the one Rolling Stone article is good, you'd need another 1-2 like that to show notability. I hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 16:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Onel5969, for taking the time to tell me all this. I'll attempt to find those 1-2 other references. Have a nice one! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- OK, I found more references on an Argentine specialized website, Metal Argento, but otherwise I give up... --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, Onel5969, for taking the time to tell me all this. I'll attempt to find those 1-2 other references. Have a nice one! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
(I said that Rolling Stone was a reliable source, but I didn't say I looked at the example. The two links in the article are from the same story, but it's hard to tell how incidental Trajtemberg was in the piece. In any event, let the source hunt continue. 
czar 00:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC))
- Oh yes, Czar, I meant you said it generally of the magazine, not of this particular interview. I did not mean to twist your words. Regards. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 15:17, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, you previously contributed to a deletion discussion for London bus route 403, another similar deletion discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Buses route 70 which you may wish to give your input on.
Note: I've placed (or am in the process of placing) this notification on the talk page of anyone who took part in the original deletion discussion, as the most recent similar discussion, regardless of deletion preference, which is allowable under WP:CANVASS. The only exception being if that person has already contributed, or has indicated on their profile that they are inactive.
Thanks for your time. Jeni (talk) 17:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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20:17:46, 18 February 2016 review of submission by Nancyprancy12
Hello Onel5969,
RE: Draft: H. Paul Prigg
I am not requesting a review of my declined article. I mistakenly hit the "submit" key for my article before it was complete, sorry for the trouble. I realize the references were not adequate and will continue to finish it. Thank you,
Nancy RawlsNancyprancy12 (talk) 20:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Nancyprancy12 Still needs any further available in-depth third-party sources overall. Cheers, SwisterTwister talk 20:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Appreciate the proofing, but
Did you check my contributions or talk pages before giving me a "new to Wikipedia" beginner's message?? Sorry I forgot to include a ref on one of my edits while working on many. You could've just asked instead of unilaterally reverting. CyMoahk2 (talk) 14:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi CyMoahk2 - left a message on your talk page - no offense intended. Onel5969 TT me 15:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
06:04:07, 20 February 2016 review of submission by Snehahurrain
- Snehahurrain (talk · contribs)
I have added 3rd party references that would hopefully solve the notability issue. Secondly I have totally changed the essay.
notability issues are resolved. and 3rd party references are added. the essay is given totally a new look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snehahurrain (talk • contribs) 06:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Snehahurrain - you've already resubmitted, so I'll let another editor take a whack at it. I still wouldn't pass it, based on notability issues. Onel5969 TT me 14:59, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
10:35:21, 20 February 2016 review of submission by Carl McTuapenny
John Cunningham has an entry in the Oxford Encyclopaedia of Popular Music (see reference at the bottom) which can be referenced in academic texts. He has notable success in France (please see the reference for Les Inrockuptibles albums of the year. I hope you can reconsider.
Carl McTuapenny (talk) 10:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Carl McTuapenny - That definitely points to notability, but I'm not sure it's enough. Why don't you resubmit, and see what another editor thinks? Good luck. Onel5969 TT me 15:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
11:06:22, 20 February 2016 review of submission by Tessthepuppy
- Tessthepuppy (talk · contribs)
Hi,
Thanks for reviewing my article. I asked for help from the help desk, but it seems to have been archived without a reply so I wonder if you could advise please? It's the first article I've written, and I can see I've put in a lot of information that I happen to know but isn't substantiated with online sources, though I can provide, for example, birth and death certificates. I imagine most of it has to be stripped out, but I'd appreciate it if you could tell me whether it's viable as an article? I can approach colleagues, family and friends to see if they have other published sources, but I don't want to raise their hopes if it isn't going to work. Kath is commemorated every year at the Pilgrimage and the Queen Eleanor bike ride, so does seem a noteworthy person to include in Wikipedia if possible? If you're able to point out which bits can be kept and which removed that would be even better.
Thanks for your help.
- Hi Tessthepuppy - First, sorry no one responded to you at the help desk, that usually doesn't happen. Now about your article. There are several issues with it. First, there is the notability issue. This could be the biggest problem, but unless there's more than local coverage, she might not pass the notability criteria. Take a look at WP:BIO. Second, references don't have to be available on-line, that simply makes it easier for researchers. But if you use offline resources, be as complete as possible in citing them. You can take a look at WP:CITE and WP:CIT on citations and how to format them. They also need to be reliable sources. Stuff like birth certificates, etc aren't considered reliable sources. However, a link to a death certificate on a reliable site is. Third, there are large portions of your article which are not backed by citations. Fourth, is the tone of the article, using a familiar name like Kath is a no-no. After using the full name in the lead, you should only use the last name from that point on. Phrases like "the cause she loved," "it continues its valuable work," and "she reluctantly felt obliged," are all commentary, and shouldn't be included in an encyclopedia article. Hope all this helps. Onel5969 TT me 15:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Onel5969 - No worries about the lack of reply before. It's amazing that so much happens through the goodwill of volunteers. Many thanks for your reply. That's very helpful. (It amused me that a formal document like a birth certificate isn't considered a reliable source! But I can see that it would be costly and time-consuming to check it.) Perhaps I should approach this from a different angle by creating a page on the pilgrimage. I'll give it some thought. Best wishes. Tessthepuppy (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Review: Draft: Harvey Boulter
Hi Onel5969
Thank you for your previous review of Harvey Boulter Draft. I made changes to the references and I hope that this will meet with your favourable approval. Any and all advice will be much appreciated. Really looking forward to getting to new articles but want to get this one done right first.
Kind Regards Hunter3606 (talk) 14:50, 20 February 2016 (UTC)Hunter3606
19:44:38, 20 February 2016 review of submission by Sfawcett
I'm not sure exactly why the article I am trying to submit is being rejected?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Champian_Fulton
I have inserted as many references as I can think of. Is there something specific I am missing?
For example, apparently there is a problem with the lead para. What specifically is the problem there? How, specifically, can I fix it?
Also, what are the other fatal errors in my article? Specifically, please...
I want to get this right as much as you do, but I need to understand what the specific problems are, so I can make specific fixes.
Thanks very much for your help.
- Hi Sfawcett - Wikipedia doesn't contain any original research. Because of this, everything in the encyclopedia needs to be able to be cited from another source. And those sources need to be reliable. So every assertion you make in your article needs to have a source, and whenever possible, those sources should be neutral. For example, you state in the draft, "Change Partners” was Champian’s first “live” CD; recorded live with her group over two nights at the Yardbird Suite (jazz club) in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada." Where did you learn that? That needs a citation. Sometimes it's okay to use non-neutral sources (like the artist's website), but only when the fact isn't subject to debate (like concert dates, which you do, and that's okay), but to use the artist's website to assert "she quickly learned the language of the music first-hand", that's not okay. But your article also suffers from several other issues. First, you have what is known as "raw links", for example, Performance History in the lead, or Stephen Fulton later in the article. All those have to go away. If the link is to something to prove an assertion in the article, then turn it into a citation, if not, get rid of it. Second, your article is chock full of commentary, like "Champian has developed her own unique swinging style over the years". Do not comment, simply state facts. I hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 01:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
23:55:23, 20 February 2016 review of submission by Vstarov
I respectfully request to re-review the draft as I edited it to answer the reviewer criticism within several hours after the reviewer's feedback. In particular, I removed many superlative adjectives to make the entry more neutral, as required by Wikipedia.
Thanks, Vladimir Vstarov (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Vstarov - It still suffers from a large POV issue. When you use phrases like "He has established himself in Singapore as an innovative traditional artist at ease with both classical and experimental styles combining both Chinese and Western methods," and "Lu has also developed his personal style of calligraphy." Those are commentary. Phrases like "Lu’s next artistic love," "Lu’s devotion to many years of calligraphy," and "Lu’s love of art started at a tender age of four," are all, again, commentary, and also show an informal style not found in an encyclopedia article. In addition to the style/commentary issues, there is also a referencing problem. In some instances you have 4 citations for a single fact (where 1 or 2 would do), and in many other instances you have no references, where they are needed. This is a blp (bio of a living person), at least I think it is, since there is no mention of his death. As such, every assertion needs a citation. After those two major problems, there are other smaller issues. For instance, the photo of him, that should really have the date in the caption. Also, you switch tenses, sometimes referring to him in the past tense, as in the lead, but in other places referring to him in the present. Finally, get rid of the citekill, use no more than 2 references for any fact. And please format your citations as per WP:CIT. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 02:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Vstarov See Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once and then also add any further available in-depth third-party sources overall. Cheers, SwisterTwister talk 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
20:04:48, 21 February 2016 review of submission by Lpttojbmaljrd
Hi - thanks so much for your help with the first submission. I have done my best to amend the article according to the suggestions that you made - I hope I have covered all the relevant areas. Look forward to hearing your feedback.
- Lpttojbmal The article still needs any further available in-depth sources overall, the subject may be notable but I'm not entirely certain. Cheers, SwisterTwister talk 02:08, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Maredudd ap Rhys
This two-line entry is unsupported, by having no actual references about the man himself. He does not appear to be notable as his only claim is to have been a father. Relying on a general book about castles is not a reliable source. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard | 13:41, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Reversal of Changes made to Air India's Destination list of Chatrapati Shivaji International Airport
Hi this is Buddhi93. The reversal of the edits of chatrapathi shivaji international airport(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatrapati_Shivaji_International_Airport) by you is incorrect. Air india does not fly to Allahabad, Chandigarh, Kuwait, Ranchi and Srinagar from Mumbai. u can refer to http://www.airindia.in/Images/pdf/TimeTable.pdf. So please do not reverse my edits again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buddhi93 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- No, the revert was correct. You should try using those little things called edit summaries. Onel5969 TT me 19:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
15:37:41, 22 February 2016 review of submission by Monty2ra
After the first review, I improved all the references, and they are all independent of the subject, as stipulated. I'm not sure where the continued problem lies, as the boilerplate review feedback is identical with the first time - ie not very helpful.
If notability is the issue, then the evidence from multiple sources is that if the subject had not developed the mineral springs in the way he did, Cheltenham today would still be a very small town, and not a place of over 100,000 population, home to famous horseraces, festivals etc etc.
The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has recently commissioned an article on him, so he meets their criteria OK.
Anyway, advice welcome, please. I have a couple of images ready to be added.
regards
J
Hi Onel5969, I've made some updates to my page to increase notability. Can you take a look and let me know what specifically I can improve? It's Draft:SERA Architects
It's worth noting that I modeled this page after ZGF Architects, and their page appears to have been approved.
Thanks for your help! - Portlandarchy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portlandarchy (talk • contribs) 17:49, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Questions of page not being accepted
Hello,
I have a question about why the page just submitted for review was not accepted based on not enough 3rd party reliable references. The page is named "Mike Dubois". My user name is Designlab1008.
The references which describe and define Mike DuBois's notoriety and impact on the art toward music industry include articles in the Wall Street Journal, The Woodstock Film Festival site,The Levon Helm website and the Poughkeepsie Journal, along with others.
One would think these are independent and notable sources.
thank you for your time.
Designlab1008 (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello Onel5969,
I noticed on a number of wiki pages the note that starts with "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources...." at the top of the page. Is it possible to have this at the top of the "Mike DuBois" page and have it posted? I am in pursuit of additional references and I may have one from the notable basketball star and sports broadcaster, Bill Wallton. he is updating his website and possibly will be mentioning the work that Mike DuBois has done for his soon to be released biography.
thanks again for your time,
Designlab1008 Designlab1008 (talk) 19:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Designlab1008 - There are two issues with your draft. First, is the sourcing. You have blogs, press releases, non-independent sources, and articles which just briefly mention him. The one Poughkeepsie article is nice. You 2-3 more like that, preferably not from more local papers, in order to show his notability. The second is the tone of the article. If someone were truly "iconic", you'd have thousands of articles to choose from. That's called a peacock word. You need to get rid of all those types of phrases. Regarding your last question about tagging the article... articles that are tagged like that are being looked at to be deleted, so there's no point in moving something to the mainspace which will most likely be deleted. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 19:40, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
03:07:07, 23 February 2016 review of submission by Vstarov
Hi Onel5969,
Many thanks for your further explanations and examples of non-neutral language. I have removed or toned down the statements you cited and made other similar changes. I've also added the date to Mr. Lu's photo as you suggested and fixed the reference list. The first time is never easy and I have lots to learn. I hope you like these changes and some other minor improvements. I look forward to your response and hope for more favorable comments this time. Regards, --Vstarov (talk) 03:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- Nice job Vstarov - I've moved it to the mainspace. Made a few corrections, and removed some pov pushing words. It would be nice if you formatted the citations. Take a look at WP:CIT on some ways to do that. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 19:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
16:11:42, 23 February 2016 review of submission by 74.64.124.112
Thanks for the feedback! I think my problem is that much of the major work Steven has done was in the 80s and 90s before the internet, and so it's difficult to verify. Hosted on vimeo are the films he's done for PBS, Court TV, UNICEF, the NYC Food Bank and others. Some include big name actors like Meryl Streep and Margot Kidder. Could I somehow link this as evidence? Steve is clearly a person of notoriety, I'd really like to get him on wikipedia as he's contributed so much to the non-profit film world. Please let me know what I can do to make this happen.
Thanks, Andy
- Hi Andy. There are a few issues with the article. First is the sourcing, or lack thereof. This is a blp (bio of a living person), so it has a very high standard of citation required. Virtually every assertion needs a citation. For example, you have lengthy lists of credits, all without citation. Do you have offline sources? Those are okay to use, just make sure to include as much info as possible, see WP:CITE and WP:CIT, those will help. Vimeo is not a reliable source (neither is YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, etc.), so you couldn't really use those (I know, when I first started to edit on WP, I attempted to use Vimeo on an article about an Emmy-award winning producer, and got slammed for it). Oh, and there is a slight informal an stilted slant to the article. Beware of using WP:PEACOCK terms, and making commentary/observation. Just state facts. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 02:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Staffer55
Hi Onel5969, Thanks for reviewing my draft on Fred Bendheim. Please let me know why you declined it. I would like help so I know what you are requiring specifically. Thanks. Staffer55Staffer55 (talk) 03:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Here is slink to the draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fred_Bendheim Staffer55Staffer55 (talk) 03:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Staffer55 - With the current condition of most of the citations, it is difficult to ascertain their validity, or their usefulness. Please see WP:CIT on how to correctly format citations. Of the ones I could evaluate, most were not independent of the subject. In addition, the vast majority of the article is cited by only two sources, the rest of the references are simply WP:CITEKILL. As a blp (bio of a living person), almost every assertion requires a citation from an independent source (well, most of them should be from independent sources, but family stuff, etc. can be from sources like the artist's own website). I hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 03:19, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Robertpschneider
Dear reviewer, Thank you for taking time to look over my submission. This is a page for Frank Garvan, mathematician, who is a prominent figure in modern number theory. Most famously, Garvan is responsible for co-discovering the crank function in partition theory, which is a big deal and a widely-praised discovery made with George Andrews (the preeminent number theorist of our era), who was Garvan's PhD advisor.
Note that "crank of a partition" has its own Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_of_a_partition) and Garvan is credited on that page. I feel that the "Crank of a partition page" is not complete without a link to the Wiki for one of the crank's co-discoverers.
I added a reference from an article by Richard Askey, another towering figure in modern mathematics, detailing Garvan's role in the discovery of the crank function. I do not know Garvan personally, and provided the best references I could to show his importance. I believe it is vital that Garvan should have his own Wiki as he is an important figure in recent mathematics history, whose work (now classic) is the subject of great interest for other researchers in the field.
Sincerely, Robert Schneider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertpschneider (talk • contribs) 04:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Here is the link to the article my previous note refers to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Frank_Garvan
Thank you again for your attention, Robert Schneider — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertpschneider (talk • contribs) 04:16, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Robertpschneider - I responded at the Teahouse, where your question was brought up. Good luck. Onel5969 TT me 03:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Nupur2000
Hi. I am working on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kiran_Kamath for long. Can you please help me pout what else I need to include in the article. I have used news paper sources also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nupur2000 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Nupur2000 - The sources you use are either non-independent, are press releases, or are not in-depth enough coverage to show notability. For example, #9, from the times of India, is a press release which has simply been regurgitated as an alleged news article. This actually happens quite frequently in Indian newspapers, especially in the arts and entertainment sections. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 03:23, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
13:41:33, 24 February 2016 review of submission by Jessica Williamson
Hi there, I have made a lot more changes to this submission. Do I need to back up each mention of a notable person /production /play with a link to an article / and / or website or will the first reference suffice. Please could you look at my new draft please.
I do not want to resubmit it without comments if possible.
I really need to resolve this and it is proving difficult.
Many thanks!
- Hi Jessica Williamson - Yes, you would need a citation for each of the names you list. But I wouldn't recommend having such a list, that actually makes it more difficult to show notability. It makes it appear that you are attempting to say someone is notable because they know notable people. I think this person is notable, it is just that you don't show it, and don't have the right references to back it up. For example, in your article you state, "Key productions include: Three Sisters (Young Vic, 2012) which won the Critics Theatre Award in 2012 for Best Director". Do you see what's wrong with that statement? The play didn't win Best Director, Andrews did. That helps point to his notability. The sentence before that, about his appearances at different theaters, all that needs citations. I think you should expand that section. Create 1-3 sentences on each of those things, and cite them. You're getting this information from somewhere, tell readers/researchers where it comes from. I also formatted the first citation to give you an example of how they should be formatted. You can find out more about formatting citations at WP:CIT. Feel free to let me know after you work on it, and I'll take another look. But be patient. Good articles can take time, but I think you have an article here, just have to get it into shape. Onel5969 TT me 03:35, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
17:41:33, 24 February 2016 review of submission by Lstrickland7
- Lstrickland7 (talk · contribs)
Not necessarily asking for a re-review as opposed to more feedback on how to better the article. This particular topic interested me because during my research of different MBA programs I found TRIUM EMBA, but no page on the Global Partners MBA. I am new to Wikipedia's content rules so any additional information on how to make it more notable would be greatly appreciated!
- No worries, Lstrickland7, and never be afraid to ask questions. I'm going to post some links at your draft, which you might find helpful. After perusing those, if you still have questions, just ask here on my talk page. Onel5969 TT me 03:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 21:27:14, 24 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Sslatt
Hi!
I was wondering if you could give me any direction on areas of Jim Joseph's biography that could use stronger references? I am working on providing more sound references as I truly believe that Jim is notable within the Marketing Industry.
Thanks so much! Have a great day!
Sslatt (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Sslatt - First, almost every reference you have is either from a non-reliable source (Facebook, blogs), from non-independent sources (brandcenter, cohnwolfe, Gays With Kids, etc.), a press release (prbuzz, PRNewswire), or by the subject (HuffPo). None of those help show his notability. We need in-depth articles from independent articles. Your article also suffers from an informal style (e.g. don't use his first name), and a POV issue. Phrases like "a very personal recollection," "the impact that a compelling and consistent brand experience," and "building worldwide capabilities in strategic planning, branding, and creative development," are all designed to promote the subject, rather than simply telling the reader information about the subject. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 03:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Many thanks for your help with publishing my first Wikipedia article! I'll continue to improve it following your suggestions. Best regards, Vladimir Vstarov (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2016 (UTC) |
- No worries, Vstarov - nice effort - keep up the good work. Onel5969 TT me 03:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
An award for you!
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Today, i have 24 GAs and one GA-turned-FA, and my GAN success streak stands at 25-0!  Thanks for reviewing one of these 25, Onel5969! Yours friendly, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep up the good work, Pavanjandhyala! Onel5969 TT me 03:56, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Hank Ratner
Hi Onel5969,
You declined my entry on Hank Ratner on January 28th. I revised it a couple of weeks ago and I have yet to receive any feedback. When do you think you will look at the revision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloanesabath (talk • contribs) 02:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Sloanesabath - It can take several weeks for a reviewer to evaluate an article, especially one like yours, which has so many citations, most of which are not independent of the subject, are aren't in-depth about the subject, but instead merely mention him. Your article also suffers from a slight POV issue. Statements like "He was also instrumental" or "restoration of the Beacon Theatre to its original grandeur", or "works closely with the Cablevision executive team to help set corporate direction and oversee major business partnerships and negotiations" are stuff you see in promotional material, not encyclopedia articles. I won't review it at this point in time, (I usually let another editor take a swing at an article before I go back to it). Be patient, we have over 400 articles in the cue, and only about 20 of us who actively review. Onel5969 TT me 04:06, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Concerning Al Amanah College
I work with the school and can provide useful information. Please do not insert bias or falsified information and if you have any questions feel free to message me. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CollegeLad98 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi CollegeLad98 - Since you work with the school, you really shouldn't be editing the article at all. Please see WP:COI. And please refrain from removing cited material simply because you don't like it. That's not the way Wikipedia works. Onel5969 TT me 04:10, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 21:27:14, 24 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Sslatt (2)
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. This is my first Wikipedia article so I have some learning to do! I will rework the article based on your feedback!
10:52:05, 25 February 2016 review of submission by Streamizm
Hi Onel5969, can you point out where there is promotion-esque section or sentences? From your first review, I re-wrote the whole text and checked it with another Wikipedia contributor. She gave a green light, upon my edits and disclosure. Just want to make sure you reviewed it after my fixes. Thanks Streamizm (talk) 10:52, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Streamizm - Sure. The Domartini quote in the Founding paragraph; the last sentence in that same section; second sentence in "pay per view"; second sentence in software as service; the entire services section. All those things are geared to sell the product, instead of an article which simply tells us about the company. Onel5969 TT me 12:13, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Onel5969, Thanks for the detailed instructions, appreciate your help. I removed and re-wrote the promo-like copy and re-structured the Service section. Let me know if anything else is needed. Streamizm (talk) 10:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Political spouses
One5969, I thought that you might have some thoughts about the notability of spouses of well-known politicians who have done nothing notable except to marry a well-known politician, And yet may be covered in depth in major media as "spouse of." We have a surprising number of articles that fit this description. If the question interests you at all, I have started a thread on the talk page of WP:INHERIT, (prompted by an active AFD on Michael Haley (South Carolina)).E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up, E.M.Gregory - have commented at both the AfD and at your thread. Onel5969 TT me 13:36, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Edits to draft article: Ivor Abrahams
You recently reviewed my draft article:Ivor abrahams Thanks for those comments, I found them very constructive. You suggested I get in touch once I had amended the article. It has now been updated. Many thanks Etienne.Voice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etienne.voice (talk • contribs) 08:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Nice job! I've moved it to the mainspace. Hope you keep editing, that was a truly breath of fresh air for a first article! Do not hesitate to ask any questions. Take it easy.Onel5969 TT me 13:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
13:24:20, 26 February 2016 review of submission by Jessica Williamson
Hi there, thanks for taking another look! Other people seem to have now added to my article and I've made some more changes.
Please tell me it's OK!
Thanks
- Hi Jessica Williamson - Bingo! That's an article. Ricky81682 did some nice work on it. Resubmit and I'll move it to the mainspace (if Ricky doesn't beat me to it). There is one issue (but that wouldn't stop it from moving to mainspace), and that's the formatting of the citations. At some point, please take a look at WP:CIT, and properly format them. Right now they are raw links, which can lead to linkrot. Regardless - nice job. And nice sticking with it through the AfC process. Onel5969 TT me 13:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Response to message
article: Total Giving
I really despair. There are over 10,000 UK charities using the free Total Giving platform and benefiting from it, and I am unable to add it to Wikipedia. Its like a minefield I have no idea what to do and there is 0 help there, if it is there, its so complexly presented that makes no sense to me. This platform is raising millions for charities completely free. We make nothing, no different to the ethos of Wikipedia and its being rejected by Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzahdeh (talk • contribs) 14:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Rzahdeh,perhaps I can help out a little. Thee are two problems. First, WP does not judge articles on the basis of the intrinsic importance of the subjects. It only judges by whether there are references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. Not a single one of your four references was about the subject. They merely mention the subject in the final sentence, which was always some variation of "anyone wishing to make a donation can log on to www.totalgiving.co.uk/appeal/.... " The second problem is promotionalism . Your article was an advertisement for the platform, devoted to explaining why it was better than other methods. Those associated with the group presumably do think so, but it's just based on their own view of themselves that they wish to promote to others. That's advertising. DGG ( talk ) 17:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 14:46:04, 26 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Daw20
Requesting assistance because my article "Bruce Holsapple" was rejected. I'm not sure I understand any of the three reasons -- "1 - the sourcing; not enough, and not properly formatted; 2 - the structure; and 3 - the tone - very POV."
1. Besides the subject's own published works and a number of separately published articles about the subject, what else would be required? The formatting issue completely escapes me, I'm afraid. Since I have no coding or html skills, I find the instructions almost impossible to understand.
2. Since my sections mimic other live Wikipedia sections on similar subjects, I'm not sure what structure deviates from accepted.
3. Can you point to sentences or passages that seem particularly "POV," which I guess means point of view. Is this referring to the way the sentences are cast, or to content, or some combination of the two?
Thanks.
- Hi Daw20 - regarding #1 - sources have to be independent of the subject, so his own work cannot be used as a reference. Regarding outside references and formatting, that's why I gave you links. No html skills are required, please read the links. Regarding formatting citations, the best one is WP:CIT. Regarding #2 - You have no sections, it's just one long essay. Again, take a look at the link regarding structure. Regarding #3 - almost every sentence. Take out all commentary and adjectives. Onel5969 TT me 20:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Daw20 (talk) 14:46, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
14:53:20, 26 February 2016 review of submission by Jessica Williamson
Thank you so much for your help! I'm so relieved the first article trauma is over. I've just resubmitted it now.
- Jessica Williamson - see me comment on the draft. I did not realize that there was already an existing article about this director. Onel5969 TT me 20:26, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Draft: John Frederick Lees
Thank you for your comments; on reflection you were right about under-linking, and not just for readers from outside the United Kingdom; even the UK has moved on from the politics and electoral practices of the 1830s, so the context/interpretation a native might apply to some things now might differ from the context/interpretation that actually applied in the 1830s. I have therefore linked extensively, and now find myself wondering if I haven't over-done it. Can you please have another look and see what you think now ? Regards Rjccumbria (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Rjccumbria - You are definitely walking the line, but the only link that I might remove is the one to separation of church and state, but then that's only a might remove. I think it definitely has the context now, even without the links. Onel5969 TT me 05:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Cheers marra", as they doubtless don't say in your parts; thanks for sorting me out.
- Always tricky when you are given good advice and reject it, but I think you come at the relationship between church and state from a US perspective, with the issue having been largely settled by the Founding Fathers and a written constitution. The relationship between church and state was central to UK politics in the 1830s and long after (anything that might affect it - such as the 1843 Factory Education Bill- was politically toxic; it's why the UK didn't have state education until 1870) and is a non-issue now, so I feel it is one of the aspects of Oldham politics the casual reader is most likely to casually misunderstand. Therefore, on balance, I will keep the link. Rjccumbria (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- (As regards intelligibility to non-natives, once you go beyond basics it's nothing but trouble: for example, as far as I am aware we don't 'walk the line' much in these parts (not since they brought in the breathalyser); and the US sense of the phrase we are most familiar with is (thanks to Johnny Cash) is 'keeping our nose clean' ; from context I suspect I should translate your use of the phrase into UK idiom as 'treading a fine line' - if only because that's roughly my view as well.)Regards Rjccumbria (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Designlab1008
Thanks again for your assistance and feedback with moving the Mike Dubois page in the right direction based on wikipedia standards.
designlab1008 Designlab1008 (talk) 16:23, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
19:24:12, 26 February 2016 review of submission by Luly Yang
Hello, which sentences in particular is the one in question about being too bias? I'd like to know the part that seems to not be neutral and change it asap. Thank you.
- Hi Luly Yang - Well, you've already re-submitted it, so let's let another editor take a swing at it. However, noticing your username, it appears you have a conflict of interest. Please follow the link and read about the appropriate steps you need to take. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 05:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
ACC
Hey there, I've left some feedback at acc:163669 and acc:162570. Please keep these in mind for the future. -- Cheers, Riley 04:49, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Riley Huntley - I try to be very careful, and err on the side of caution, which is what I was doing with that second one. But will keep your comments in mind. I go on about every day or so, but so often there is nothing there to accept or decline. But I'll try to help when I can. Onel5969 TT me 05:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- No worries, and that is a good approach, just remember that we also want to err on the side of assuming good faith as well. When it comes to usernames, it should be a clear cut case of UPol or implied shared use [or technical] to decline. Sorry for the lack of requests, you can blame myself or UY Scuti for that. -- Cheers, Riley 06:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification, Riley Huntley. Any advice is greatly appreciated. And I wasn't complaining about the lack of requests, simply explaining my lack of activity
. I'm there to help out, not "count coup". Onel5969 TT me 13:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification, Riley Huntley. Any advice is greatly appreciated. And I wasn't complaining about the lack of requests, simply explaining my lack of activity
- No worries, and that is a good approach, just remember that we also want to err on the side of assuming good faith as well. When it comes to usernames, it should be a clear cut case of UPol or implied shared use [or technical] to decline. Sorry for the lack of requests, you can blame myself or UY Scuti for that. -- Cheers, Riley 06:15, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
04:28:16, 28 February 2016 review of submission by Minorobjects
- Minorobjects (talk · contribs)
Thanks, can you tell me how to make more clear Prof. Byrd's notability via Criterion 1 on the notability page for academics? How do I include citations (like, do I have to name all the books that cite her? I'm super confused!) or otherwise observe her highly cited scholarship in the body of the entry?
- Hi Minorobjects - no, that's not the way to do it. The way you could show it in the body is if you use the phrase, "widely cited", cite that to the Google Scholar page (instead of using the reference to her department bio - department bios are worthless when it comes to proving assertions, since they are not independent sources - what they are good for is proving she worked there, or proving she held a certain position, etc.). However, she has a very low citation count, her highest count is only 165, and then it drops off precipitously, with only two other articles in the very low double digits. Normally, it would have to be in the 1000s (or high 00s) for her to be considered "widely cited". Looking into her, doubtful she'll meet the notability requirements for academics. Hope this helps. Onel5969 TT me 13:23, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 14:21:42, 28 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by 1wiki23
My article Keenan Quansah keeps getting rejected. I am his mother so I know all the information is factual. 1wiki23 (talk) 14:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)And that is precisely the reason why. Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to understand our policy on your editing a Wikipedia article on your own son. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard | 14:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC))
Draft:Pyle stop
Hi Onel5969, Could you explain why you rejected Draft:Pyle stop for insufficient content? (link to the policy that specifies minimum content). It has more content than a large number of articles currently in Wikipedia, and on the face of it, seems well researched and adequately referenced. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Sure Pbsouthwood - Always enjoy helping out an inexperienced editor. That's a canned response when a reviewer selects the merge option. The material which is cited in the draft would be better suited to be combined to the Decompression theory article, in the Deep Stops section. The original research and/or uncited material in the draft is what would make a separate article appropriate, but when you take that stuff out, what's left should be merged. Take it easy. Onel5969 TT me 12:31, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- This is where I need more information, as I do not know which material you consider OR or which still needs citation, or has inadequate citation. Any chance of you putting in the appropriate inline tags? This will help either with a merge or to fix the draft. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- More than half the article is uncited. The most glaring examples would be the entire calculation section, and all but 2 sentences in the argument section. Onel5969 TT me 02:13, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, I an going to encourage the drafter to come up with more references. This should be possible as everything in the article looks familiar. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:16, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- More than half the article is uncited. The most glaring examples would be the entire calculation section, and all but 2 sentences in the argument section. Onel5969 TT me 02:13, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
- This is where I need more information, as I do not know which material you consider OR or which still needs citation, or has inadequate citation. Any chance of you putting in the appropriate inline tags? This will help either with a merge or to fix the draft. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Request on 19:09:02, 29 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Etter.ben
Dear Onel,
Thank you for taking the time to review my submission again. I've put quite a bit of work into this article and I'd hate to see that go to waste. Therefore, I'd like to get some more feedback on my secondary sources, which I understand to be the crux of why this article hasn't been approved. I realize that some of my sources are primary, since interviews in industry publications are the main source of coverage for record producers with enough public interest to warrant such contributions. However, I have also added four secondary publications (five if you count both Sound on Sound articles). Again I realize these aren't all large news outlets, however, coverage in such outlets for music producers is rare at best and the publications which I have cited adhere to your standards of reliability. Comparing my submissions to other, already approved articles on comparable record producers, who also have Grammy awards and multiple gold and platinum records, shows that the extent of secondary coverage of Ben H. Allen III is on par. In addition to the verifiable awards and his instrumental role in dozens of relevant and notable recordings (most of them have articles on Wikipedia, which also mention him as producer/composer/ writer), I'm wondering whether asking for more than four secondary sources for record producers is a fair hurdle in this field. I also wonder if it is sensible for the platform to have dead ends for people who are researching notable recordings, hoping to find out more about the production and writing personnel involved. Furthermore, Allen meets the majority of the notability standards specific to music "composers" and "others": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music). I understand that there can't be a set of criteria for every specific role in the music industry, but the role of the modern record producer is related to that of the composer, and if you disagree, he would certainly fall under the "others" category. By those standards, I have provided ample evidence (allmusic credits, reviews with name mentions and articles) that Allen is credited with producing and composing on many notable productions, of which many have won either Grammy or RIAA awards, or have been included in best of lists in some of the most culturally relevant music publications today (Rolling Stone, Pitchfork and others). All of this is included in my page references, as I tried to take the criteria for notability in the music category into account. Can you advise on why you still think that these criteria are not met and what I would have to improve in order to get this article approved?
I highly appreciate your feedback and hope you can get me on track to finish my work on this successfully.
Etter.ben (talk) 19:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- Etter.ben Frankly I'm not certain if the article is solid enough for his own independent notability, focus with in-depth third-party sources overall particularly about him. Sincerely, SwisterTwister talk 05:56, 1 March 2016 (UTC)