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Reference on Mariam-uz-zamani article

Sir, The page range on reference 10 "Badayuni, Abdul Qadir (1590). Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh. pp. 112–390. " is too wide. The reference range being too wide makes it hard to verify the content. Please minimise and divide the page range as per content.

Manavati (talk) 20:21, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I have made Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh reference more precisive. Thanks! Nush1125 (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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For citation of sources

I, unfortunately, could not find the mention of Shahzada Khusrao in Ain-i-Akbari.

Could you please kindly cite the sources with either page number or in original language and/or English translation of the given paragraph in issues section? Please also do the same for Firoze Khanam.

Manavati (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

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Confusion

I wish to enquire about this sentence in the page Khusrau Mirza —

" ....contains a foretelling that as per Findly substantiated later in the Mughal Empire when Shah Jahan's kids brawled against each other for the accession to the throne and ultimately led to the murder of a royal prince by the hands of his brother. "

Who is the Royal prince Findly is referring to? Khusrau or a son of Shah Jahan?

If it's Khusrau, Shah Jahan's children fighting for the throne would not match with timeline. If it's talking about a son of Shah Jahan, why was it put on Khusrau's page?
Manavati (talk) 17:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The research paper submitted by Findly citing the same does not provide the scan of her letter. She describes it as a 'strong-worded letter' and further goes on to say that Mariam Zamani anticipated in that letter that if Khusrau's charge was to be entrusted to Khurram whom she believed was eager to eliminate Khusrau, she said that he would eventually kill Khusrau and it would be disastrous for the Mughal dynasty as the future male descendants would use it as a specimen to murder their brothers for the possession of the royal throne. This was as per Findly noted in that letter. Further, Findly adds that this foretelling of her substantiated soon afterward when Shah Jahan's kids, Aurangzeb and Dara had a face-off for the royal throne and led to the murder of Dara by her brother. So the princes' example quoted by Findly was of Aurangzeb and Dara.

I have provided that information on Khusrau's page from that very piece and the stress was meant to be laid on the foretelling like Findly did, not merely on princes. Having said that, I understand your point and would welcome your suggestions to that piece since it's impossible to cite her same words as it would mean jotting down her whole page and half writings that to me seem a tad bit unnecessary given the whole incident is not that elaborate in itself. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 09:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Gulshan-i-Ibrahimi

Hello! I was wondering if you knew if there was a digitally accessible copy of the Gulshan-i-Ibrahimi? Maryam uz-Zamani/Maryam Zamani seems to be used independently of begum in almost all English sources I can find, as opposed to her other titles Wali Nimat Begum and Shah Begum, and I wanted to see if she was referred to explicitly as such on the text you cited for her name change. -Evansknight (talk) 16:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I did not read Gulshan-i-Ibrahimi book digitally therefore do not know if there is a digital copy of it though I have seen some pages speculating across the internet. You can check Khulasat-ut-Tawarikh, it is digitally accessible and page 374 mentions her as Mariam-uz-Zamani Begum Sahiba. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 16:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I can assure you that I have no connection with the user named Manavati outside this platform, we had communicated our views on a few people like Jagat Gosain, Mariam-uz-Zamani, Khusrau Mirza, and Ruqaiya Sultan on her and mine talk page as they were conflicting, rest be assured I have only one account on Wikipedia and use only this for citing information with reliable references. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 13:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Last chance, you must stop adding unsourced material to articles

I was very tempted to block you. Any descriptions of people need sources, and "remarkably beautiful" would almost certainly need a quote and probably several sources. I know other articles have similar extravagant praise, but that doesn't excuse your revert. Doug Weller talk 07:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC) About her beauty, it's mentioned in Akbarnama. In fact several times throughout Akbarnama, Abul Fazl mentions this. Then again, Findly notes the same. If you need sources I will provide many for you. As stated by Abul Fazl, the reason for selecting her as the first consort of the heir-apparent was because of her beauty, 'It came to light that the chaste daughter of Raja Bhagwant Das was adorned with the beauty of no match'. Be assured that extravagant praise of her beauty is not my work, it's recorded almost in every book that mentions her. The most reliable of them stands Akbarnama and from which several historians have noted the same. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, she was beautiful. A sentence describing her would be fine. For instance from her article, "The poet and author Vidya Dhar Mahajan would later praise Nur Jahan as having a piercing intelligence, a volatile temper and sound common sense." which is sourced is a good description (I realise it doesn't mention beauty, this is just an example). Your quote doesn't make much sense though. In any cases, the article already calls her beautiful twice, which is one too many. If you want to improve his article, note that it doesn't mention his drug and alcohol problem, mentioned twice in hers, eg " Jahangir's addiction to opium and alcohol made it easier for Nur Jahan to exert her influence." Doug Weller talk 07:47, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

There is a lot in that article I do not understand to be honest. Throughout that article, Shah Begum is not mentioned as a beautiful woman once which was the very reason she was selected. On the contrary, Nur Jahan has been exemplified to such a degree. It is she who is stated to be beautiful twice, and then there is a whole concocted work mentioned by somebody without any references. Someone has mentioned a myth of her killing 4 tigers with 6 bullets but no reference was mentioned. Then there is a whole paragraph dedicated to Salim getting her husband killed as he liked her beauty, this has been picked from a fictional novel The Twentieth Wife whereas Findly clearly states that they met after she became a widow.

If possible could you please go through that section of his page, Marriages-> Nur Jahan and maybe if possible could improve something. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 08:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Striking through my earlier comments. I'm sorry, I really don't have time. I'm recovering from bowel cancer surgery and awaiting chemotherapy, and I need to focus on articles that are more within my area of interest, et archaeology. I would suggest you might want to copy some sourced material from her article to his, adding a wikilink to her article in your edit summary and saying you've copied from it. That's required. There's a bit about the tiger in her article. Feel free to remove unsourced. Doug Weller talk 10:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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Could you please guide me on why can't her intercession from the book 'Akbar' by Muni Lal added to her page? I did cite that book as a reference also. Nush1125 (talk) 06:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanking

Sir Nush, a big thank you for your great and unprecedented contribution for the Page of Mariam ur Zamani! U are great🙇🏻 2402:3A80:1AA5:38CD:1EB5:F859:F981:76DE (talk) 10:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind words but in all the glory I have merely made an effort to bring the reign and complimenting disposition of a great queen like Mariam-uz-Zamani to the surface which has been distorted by many to support the narrative of Mongol invaders in nothing but barbaric terms and to uphold the repugnance of marriage alliances between Mughal and local Hindustan rulers. Nush1125 (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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Could you please also inform me with reference to which edit is this warning being issued? It'll be highly helpful for me to understand this copyright term better. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 17:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

It was Nilkanth temple (Mandu), where I found some text that matched that in this webpage. Also, in the same article, you copied from another Wikipedia article without providing the attribution required by the terms of our license. — Diannaa (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello, I wished to ask if you know about a certain Jesuit treatise which mentions Jahangir having 3 living daughters instead of 2 (Sultan-un-nissa and Bahar) and a prince, Darab who was apparently younger than Shahryar. If you do know could you please tell me where I can read more about it? Manavati (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Check this link, the book in person can be found in Asiatic Society, Bengal library, and British Library London however online link now too is available, https://paperzz.com/doc/9343819/the-mughal-padshah-a-jesuit-treatise-on-emperor-jahangir-... Nush1125 (talk) 21:02, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Manavati (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Sloppy sourcing

In Mariam-uz-Zamani you cite: Henry, Colonel William (1836). "Constable Miscellany of the original and selected publications". II. We passed the tomb of Mariam Zamani, Jodha Bai, the wife of Emperor Akbar and mother of Jahangir. She was of Rajput caste, daughter of Hindu chief of Jaipur, a very beautiful and a very amiable woman. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

There was a periodical of a similar name, Constable's Miscellany of Original and Selected Publications, in the Various Departments of Literature, Science, and the Arts, but volume II was published in 1826, and no volume was published in 1836, the publication having gone bankrupt the previous year. Do you have any evidence that the quote you cite is from a Colonel William Henry writing in Constable's Miscellany?

More likely the citation should be: Sleeman, William Henry (1844). Rambles and Recollections of an Indian Official. Vol. II. p. 65. We passed the tomb of Jodha Baee, the wife of the Emperor Akbar and the mother of Jehangeer. She was of Rajpoot caste, daughter of the Hindoo chief of Joudhpore, a very beautiful, and it is said a very amiable woman.

It appears that you got the author wrong, title wrong, year of publication wrong, and quotation wrong, omitted the page number (an essential part of citing any long work), and neglected to provide a convenience url when one was readily available. That's bad.

Arguably worse is that Wikipedia articles about historical figures should be based on recent scholarship in secondary sources. There is no bright-line definition of recent. Something from the last 20 years would be safe. For Mughal India you could probably go back to the 1970s. But something written in 1844 is not recent. Also, Sleeman was not a historian, scholar in the humanities, or biographer, but a colonial administrator. His memoir shares many of the same problems as Raj-era sources, and should be avoided. In the seven months you've been editing this biography, you've increased the citations of inappropriate sources such as this by four or five fold, whereas you should have been working to eliminate them. Worldbruce (talk) 17:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey, firstly I would like to clarify some things about the quote. The quote itself is collective from his very journal, the last lime was added from page no 71. Just a mere fact, I didn't read the digital book that you have provided. I read the book itself in the library where the journal began with his letter to his sister and then further these things were noted, therefore simply I was unaware that digital copy existed but since I read it with my own eyes I provided that information in quotations. Secondly, I accept your suggestion that since he was not a historian therefore his work should not be considered authentic, considering which I have omitted that particular quote and will look for the removal of references that involve his work on the Mariam-uz-Zamani page. However, I only considered this source because it was cited by Ellison Banks in her book Nur Jahan. That's the sole reason I read his accounts. Having said that I will further double-check the page numbers and especially the publication date that I went wrong. Also please let me know what other sources I have provided you deem inappropriate. Seems like you have noticed a few which I might be unaware of. Thanks

Nush1125 (talk) 20:08, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Mariam-uz-Zamani page

Hello, It's great that you're bring more information on Mariam-uz-Zamani but the article unfortunately looks very messy and repetitive. The article has repetitive information, too many quotation and more than necessary portraits of her.

I request you to please keep only about 2-3 (sole) pictures of her, remove few (or perhaps) most of the quotation and write them briefly in your own words. Also please remove repetitive information and mention them only about once. Please do either remove the titles sub section or the paragraph from empress section and make the portrait titel as simply "Artistic depiction if Mariam-uz-Zamani" , her being most influential sultana can be mentioned elsewhere.

I'm hoping you would comply and do it since I think you'll probably know best which information to keep and make.

Manavati (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Give me some time, I will structure her article well, this is precisely why I have been removing/adding information from one section to another on her page to see where what fits adequately. The verbose sections of her article are of my concern as well for quite a while. However, I would suggest that categorizing information throughout the sections (sub-sections) on her page gives a better layout and makes the relevant information readily accessible. Nevertheless, since I have added quite some information on her page, I do take the responsibility to make sure that it brings a better outlook of her article holistically and not contorting it. Thanks and Regards Nush1125 (talk) 11:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Please add sections and subsections where you feel necessary. Just avoid repetition of information especially a whole paragraph or section (eg: the titles) or adding too many pictures and quotation. Also please take your time! Manavati (talk) 14:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello. On a second note, I wanted to make sure that we actually have sources that refer to Mariam-uz-Zamani as empress consort. I remember an edit war from a few years ago, after which users settled on the fact that Ruqaiya Sultan Begum was Akbar's only empress. Do you have any sources that could counter that claim by any chance? Keivan.f^Talk 00:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Never mind. I think they have already been cited on the list of Mughal empresses. Keivan.f^Talk 00:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

There are a plethora of them. Some have been cited on the list of Mughal Empresses and there are even more. Tabaqat-i-Akbari mentions her status as a senior and respected consort. Ira Mukhoty, Historian JL Mehta, Dirk Collier Aziz Ahmed in studies of Islamic culture, Gulshan-i-ibrahimi. Firishta mentioned her as downright 'favorite Sultana (empress) of Akbar'. Abul Fazl in Akbarnama mentions her as a wife of Akbar who commanded a high rank in Akbar's harem. All of them have been cited with the page number on her article. Let me know if additional are required. Nush1125 (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Merging Mirza Hassan and Hussain Mirza pages to Mariam-uz-Zamani

Nush1125, the talk page discussions haven't been closed. Since we have a difference of opinion there, it would be better for a third-party to have a look and close the discussion in the way they see fit. There is usually no hurry to close merger discussions and i've seen some lasting for months. Please be patient. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Requesting Information

Hello, hope you're well.

I wish to ask if you know from which kingdom/place did Champavati Solanki, daughter of Rao Ganga and wife of Raja Bharmal from?

Manavati (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hy, thankyou for heads up. I have added significant amount of references to that draft. Please review it once and revert me accordingly. I am also actively trying to work on finding references for Ornamentation section. Since its a historic palace, several internet sites cites about its architecture but seldom work has been included in books for its design. As I have recently visited that palace in Sikri, therefore it invoked ample interest in me to create page for it. For referring to its architecture design, there are several images in the gallery section which would validate the substance written in Architecture section. Please let me know what all can I do to get that page published.

Thank you! Nush1125 (talk) 10:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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I'm reconstructing page.. feeling information is getting bit lengthy.. please look into the page. And request for sfn templates and bibilography section.. Early travels; Findly book and journal; Ira Mukhoty book; letters received Vol1.. ContinentalXtra (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Will take care of it in some days, no issues! Nush1125 (talk) 15:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Mariam-Uz-Zamani page

Why can't be seperate section for Mariam uz zamani business? If you think information is unnecessary you can remove it.. ContinentalXtra (talk) 17:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, I just read your revamp of the Rahimi page and it was beautiful in every essence. Kudos to your hard work. Regarding Mariam's page, we can simply add a section regarding her business activities but can't create two sections referring to the same parent section, then what's the point of creating sections? Also please know it's not by choice I'll be taking down some pieces of info but only because the page has been cluttered and the issue has been highlighted by users like Manavati and Panchalidraupadi. We would have to contain information about topica which have an entirely separate page or maybe dwindle it in volume. Please feel free to add anything else, especially one that doesn't contain any separate article. Thanks Nush1125 (talk) 17:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

ContinentalXtra, wanted to inform you that some of your piece has been taken down under copyright issue. Nush1125 (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken it's only some portion of the Portuguese conflict. You can still add it by simply rephasing the content in your lingo Nush1125 (talk) 15:53, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up, I'll take care of it. Nush1125 (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, the information hasn't been removed without any reason. When it comes to Prince Murad, the prime reference comes from the books of the 16th century like Tarikh-i-Firista and Muntakhab ut Tawarikh and Jahangirnama itself where Murad is mentioned as a son of a concubine and not Mariam Zamani. To pick up any citation from a non-reliable source in itself counts as a piece of vandalism. Nush1125 (talk) 17:36, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, you didn't leave any edit summaries so I didn't what your reason for removing the text was. Belbury (talk) 18:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, thank you for notifying me. The link now stands referring to the correct page. Nush1125 (talk) 18:01, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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