User talk:Nlu/archive62

hello

please log into english wiktionary under User:Nlu

i have left this message on the talk page there for you-

Hello Nlu. I need assistance in creating entries for Chinese Islamic terms (In chinese characters)

because i have no software for typing hanzi, i would like to ask if you are interested in assisting me

the dictionary of terms im interested in adding to wiktionary is here

http://books.google.com/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&hl=en&ei=SIxoTJ-bAoL78AbXh420BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

M04R (talk) 00:57, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

and example of a word that i would like to add from the book to wiktionary is here-

http://books.google.com/books?id=5hsOlbcr3BEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%8A%E6%96%AF%E5%85%B0%E6%95%99%E8%AF%8D%E6%B1%87%E8%A1%A8&hl=en&ei=SIxoTJ-bAoL78AbXh420BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=daheli&f=false

M04R (talk) 00:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I think I'll have to wait until at least late this week (Friday, perhaps) to start looking at this. Sorry. --Nlu (talk) 03:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I looked, and there are a couple problems with my ability to help on this situation:

1. I don't really edit Wiktionary, and right now I don't have the time to get familiar with the editing styles there, and
2. As far as this source is concerned, I only have limited experience working with Simplified Chinese, and this source uses simplified Chinese. I wouldn't even know how to guess which Traditional characters the simplified ones correspond to given that these are largely phonetic transliterations to start with.

I am sorry about this, but it doesn't really look that I can help. If there are specific terms that you want me to type in Hanzi for you, I can do that (assuming I can decipher myself what characters should be used). --Nlu (talk) 14:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I might need a Chinese-language intermediary

• I'm contacting User talk:Deadkid dk with the same message...
• The FA for Taiwanese aborigines is at FAR, and having problems with image licensing issues (see Wikipedia:Featured article review/Taiwanese aborigines/archive1). The uploaders are, in a few cases, Chinese. Source info is in Japanese. Pictures came from Chinese sources (see for example this one); I can't read the text.
• I left messages to people who (as far as I can tell) look kinda knowledgeable or active on the Chinese Wikimedia Commons, here and here].
• If you could help them, or know anyone else who would help, I would yet again be eternally grateful... • Ling.Nut 23:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Right now my time is very limited -- just picked up an awfully complex case -- but I'll see when I get a chance what I can do. Thanks for alerting me. --Nlu (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the easier way to go is this: if you want to write them a message in Chinese, feel free to send it to me in English and I'll translate it. --Nlu (talk) 14:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

That's very kind of you! Thanks! Deadkid made the same offer; I guess it all depends on who happens to have free time at the moment... I may send you a message, and I may not, but either way I appreciate yor help.. • Ling.Nut 23:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

ignore the email

• I think I found the source... thanks... • Ling.Nut 06:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

• If you have a moment, would you translate these, please?
• "人類學寫眞集 台湾紅頭嶼之部"
• "日本四國德島縣出身ㄝ鳥居龍藏1896年開始攝ㄝ原住民全紀錄 東京帝国大学人類学教室"

Thanks! • Ling.Nut 11:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, these are educated guesses since sometimes Chinese words may have different contextual meanings when borrowed by the Japanese...

"Anthropological Photo Records -- Taiwan, Hongtouyu ("red-headed isle") Tribe"

"These were the records of the aborigines, which were taken by Torii Ryuzo, who was from Toshima, Shikoku, Japan. Department of Anthropology, Tokyo Imperial University."

(Note that Tokyo Imperial University is now the University of Tokyo.)

--Nlu (talk)

Just looked further -- 紅頭嶼 was the old name for Lanyu, although I don't know whether, for historical accuracy, you'd still want to refer to it as Hongtouyou (or, since neither the author nor the subjects used Mandarin, however, it would be transliterated in Japanese, which I don't know). --Nlu (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

The Lanyu article stated that 紅頭嶼 (which, while I don't know Romaji, would have been something like Ong-tao-wu in Minnan) was a transliteration of the Tao name for it, Ponso no Tao. Perhaps that could be used. --Nlu (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks! The goal is to establish that two of the photos on Taiwanese aborigines were published before 1923 (they were both taken just before the beginning of the 20th century). Of course they were – somewhere – but proving that fact is a real hair-puller. • Ling.Nut 09:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Murong Lin

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I'm sorry...

• I'm sorry to be such a pest...
• Do you have access to a good academic library?
• Need to get a copy of this book and verify that two images in the FA article Taiwanese aborigines are in it. If the book is in your library, would you please please check it out and contact me:
• (Tanxian taiwan: niaoju longcang de Taiwan renleixue zhi lu 探險台灣: 鳥居龍藏的台灣人類學之旅 (Taiwan Expedition: Tori’i Ryuzo’s Travel of Anthropology in Taiwan). Translated by Yang Nanjun 楊南郡. Taipei: Yuanliu 遠流.) 1996 (original in 1900)
• Thanks! • Ling.Nut 00:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't have access to a research library at all at the moment. Sorry... --Nlu (talk) 04:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
    • That's OK. Thanks!! • Ling.Nut 04:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

O Admin there is a sockpuppet on the loose

The sockpuppetry on this article is so obvious that its not even funny

I'm coming to you because you know about Chinese history, and you are da admin. I have no idea what to do with sockpuppets. This sockpuppet is so obvious i'm wondering if he wanted to get caught on purpose.Дунгане (talk) 02:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, World War II in general (including the Chinese theater) is actually something I do not have sufficient expertise on. I semi-protected the page for a week to at least let things cool down, and if it is sockpuppetry, this will at least slow things down. If this situation continues, you can file a request for investigation at WP:SPI. --Nlu (talk) 02:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• I have filed an investigation- Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Reconquista1492, i would like your opinion on the evidenceДунгане (talk) 04:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Zhuge Shuang

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! --Nlu (talk) 00:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Help with maps

Hi

I'm currently planning a series of maps showing the location of the various warlords of the late Tang. I don't read/speak Chinese though, so I don't have any direct access to the traditional histories. I was wondering if you would consider helping filling in the gaps? I've created a user page to keep track here, feel free to edit it if you like. Any help would be greatly appreciated Fornadan (t) 14:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to help. Let me see if I understand correctly -- you want to know who controlled which circuit, basically? I probably can fill in quite a bit of it tomorrow (I hope -- had a long day today). --Nlu (talk) 02:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Circuit level seemed like a natural cut off since I believe the names of most of the governors should be recorded while would not be possible to include every ambitious prefect. In principle though I'm aiming for anyone acting independently so including people completely outside the Tang hierachy, like Huang Chao, and others with substantial forces acting in opposition to the governor (like say Wang Jian during his war against Chen Jingxuan) Fornadan (t) 14:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll actually get started in a few minutes... I think what I'll do is put my edits and comments in italics; you can then feel free to reprocess the information as you see fit. --Nlu (talk) 14:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Did 883. Will try to do 888 in the next few days (possibly this afternoon if I have time). --Nlu (talk) 15:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I also don't know how you want to handle "power bloc" arrangements -- family members and allies; I've noted a couple family member possessions (Wang Chongrong and Wang Chongying). This became more of an issue in the latter years when, for example, Weibo and Chengde remained under their own rules but only after agreeing to submit to/ally with Zhu Quanzhong. Thoughts on how you want me to note these would be appreciated. --Nlu (talk) 16:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

See the 903 entry for Zhu Quanzhong for an example of how I have listed allied governors, but if you just note that this or that governor is allied or related to someone else that is fine as well. For maps itself I had planned to colour code groups of governors who were allied or subordinated to each other. Family connections is a bit trickier to display visually though since they were not always on best of terms with each other. Fornadan (t) 17:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

no article on manchu invasion?

i have just noticed there is no article about Manchu conquest of China. We have zero, zilch. only thing about that is Battle of Shanhai Pass, thats it, theres no article about the war, unlike Mongol conquest of the Song Dynasty. i don't have any sources on this, do you?Дунгане (talk) 03:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Post-Song history is not my forte... There's a bit of coverage in the Qing Dynasty article. I do think that having a separate article would be a good idea, but I'm not the person who has the ability to write it or to suggest good sources (other than the History of Ming and the Draft History of Qing). Sorry. --Nlu (talk) 04:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Barry Bonds

Thanks for your editorial contributions. You may want to post this on your user page.

This user helped promote Barry Bonds to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. --Nlu (talk) 02:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

can you check my copyright contributer investigation

This investigation of my contributions- Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Дунгане has been dragging on for a while with absolutely no one looking into it. Its been over a month since i last checked it, and two months since another user was checking. I would like to get it cleared up soon, do you have time to check the articles off if they are copyvio or not? ( i can't do it all myself of course, because they would be a conflict of interest). i keep links in my references so checking for copyvio would be easy. I would like to clear up the copyvio and rewrite if there is any rather than it being all deleted. I already asked two admins to look into it and apparently they're not interested because they are ignoring the message. and everyone who normally edits and works at the copyvio cases has their hands tied with dozens of other cases currently pending.Дунгане (talk) 19:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Right now I really can't do it. My father just passed away a few days ago, and while I really shouldn't be editing I still am -- to try to take my mind off a bit -- but I really don't think I can take on something like this. Sorry. --Nlu (talk) 04:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

the investigation is relatively easy- you can just tackle the articles where i made one, or two edits, and check them off if they are copyvio, basically just read the sources i used to see if i copied anything. the articles where i made like 10+ edits can wait. Also i checked some of the edits i made to minor articles myself, someone has to certify whether i am telling the truth or not.Дунгане (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I understand; but right now I simply can't do it. Some other admin will have to take this up. Sorry. --Nlu (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Boxer Rebellion

I'm concerned about User:Arilang1234 edits on the Boxer Rebellion article. he seems like he has a political axe to grind, and is hellbent on making the Boxers seem like demons from hell, and in other articles and talk pages, in his past edits, he called manchus and other races "Barbarians", and his only sources are wikisource and some random websites from mainland china. He is disproportionately falsely accusing the Boxers of atrocities, while ignoring those of western forces. this constitutes spreading a pro western POV agenda on the article. in addition, he seems to be engaging in historical revisionism and making up his own terms, claiming that since the word "Boxer" appears in the Boxer Rebellion article, that all information not about boxers, such as those about the imperial army, should be deleted. I'm shocked that he hasn't even been blocked, since his language concerning manchus in his earlier edits were extremely vulgar. Not only that, he seems to like whitewashing tang and ming dynasty history and wants to make them look like saints compared to Qing, creating articles about manchu atrocities and inserting the word barbarian as an adjective before Manchu. I think its high time to stop his wikipedia rampage, since no one has though to even give him a warning before. Take a look at his earliest edits first, and go from there, and you will see his POV agenda is advanced.Дунгане (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Arilang also deleted a paragraph, which stated that there was massive popular support for the Boxers from the Chinese population, and the paragraph was sourced, it looks like he cant' accept the fact that Chinese people actually supported the boxers.Дунгане (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

take a look at his language regarding Manchus on Talk:Qianlong Emperor, and a look at the intro in his "Sand box" User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/MassacresДунгане (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

In addition, he seems to think that wikipedia is a political platform for him to put issues in the "spotlight.Дунгане (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but as I wrote above, I'm dealing with my father's recent death right now, and won't be able to do much on Wikipedia until at about November 11, I think. Please ask another admin to look at the situation. --Nlu (talk) 13:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Arilang1234 is obssesed with forcing his on POV on the boxers, now he opened a thread at ANI. His logic is completely faulty, as he claims "There are two versions of the boxer rebellion". I did not know Arilang1234 qualified as a historian and is able to push his own POV and original research on wikipedia.Дунгане (talk) 02:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd say that I'd let this discussion sort itself out. The Boxer Rebellion is actually not part of my area of expertise, since I don't deal very much with modern history, and particularly I have no access to mainland sources. (The ROC "official version" (if you will -- by this I mean the version taught in schools) is much more muted and doesn't really assess blame to anyone.) --Nlu (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

This isn't actually about the Boxer rebellion itself, i'm more concerned about the hardcore racism Arilang1234 is showing against Manchus, and this other (presumably cantonese, not that that has to do with anything) editor jumped in and threatened to report me for allegedly "spamming the talk page" about arilang1234's "edits" to the article, when i confronted him with evidence of arilang's racist edits, he effectively said that racism against manchus is okay.

We need an admin to firmly state on the talk page, that racism against any ethnic group is totally unacceptable. Past massacres/genocides do not justify racism. Both Han and Hui commited terrible mass murder during the Ming dynasty in the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty) on the Miao, Yao and Bo people, yet i do not see Miao people cursing us for being racist. We should not show double standards.Дунгане (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

(unident) if the underlying issue is racism, then it goes beyond the article. I'd suggest bringing an RFC as to behavior. --Nlu (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

this isn't a joke, RFC take too much time. User:Arilang1234 is seriously suggesting that Manchus are barbarians, and that these words should be used to describe Manchu people. As far as I'm aware of wikipedia policy, this kind of consistent behavior, especially after User:Arilang1234 was severely berated and warned about his racial slurs against manchus, and personal attacks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Differences between Huaxia and barbarians, warrants an immediate admin action to be taken. He just made his comment about manchus yesterday, the "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Differences between Huaxia and barbarians" is over a year old, it seems he hasn't learned his lesson. He was warned about his racist edits another warning about Arilang's racism and personal attacksДунгане (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that I really can't (and shouldn't) block him without an RFC, and I see nothing short of a blocking that would be an effective sanction. I know that it takes a lot of time, but I still think that RFC is the way to go. --Nlu (talk) 23:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

It's raining thanks spam!

• Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
• There are a host of processes that further need community support, including content review (WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR). You can also consider becoming a Wikipedia Ambassador. If you have the requisite experience and knowledge, consider running for admin yourself!
• If you have any further comments, input or questions, please do feel free to drop a line to me on my talk page. I am open to all discussion. Thanks • Ling.Nut (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

a guy is restoring vandalism on Boxer rebellion

I'm concerned about this userGaius Octavius Princeps, the ip 208.64.63.176 was warned for vandalising the article by distorting sources I put up a list of the vandalism (and no, this is not like my earlier dispute with arilang, this up was clearly and blatantly vandalising in plain sight, so there won't be controversy over this ) on the talk page here

User:Gaius Octavius Princeps felt the need to praise the ip's vandalism and revert the aritcle to the vandalised version of 208.64.63.176 Also he mentioned a totally non existent User:Arhyahe.

Now, if we take a look at Mr. Gaius's edits, we will see a clear pro european, pro British POV pushing. he edited articles on the african freedom fighters, the Mau Mau, who fought against the British to free their homeland kenya, to say that they were "terrorists" [1]

He removes the British National Party's entry on the Neo Nazism article here- [2], the section was sourced, the only explanation he gave was "nonsense".

He removed more information about racist movements in britian in this edit, the information was sourced, yet he said "removed completely unsourced recent addition".

More pro british POV pushing on Mau Mau article- [3]

He edits articles on the National Democratic Party of Germany, removing all allegations of neo nazism and racism, claiming that they are nationalists- [4] [5] [6]

(I emphasized allegations, because per the earlier ANI thread i am blocked from describing people directly as nazis)

and pushing british POV on War of 1812

It seems that he is trying to airbrush articles on far right, white supremacist groups to make them look good overall, and is trying to demonize african liberation fighters. My main concern is that we are going to have an edit war on Boxer Rebellion if he tries to revert to the vandalised version again. I am really not interested in the Mau Mau and other articles, but they may stand as evidence of overall POV pushing.Дунгане (talk) 02:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't really have sufficient knowledge there. I'd say that you should put forth evidence of the POV-pushing but cut down on the language as well as the amount of information you post. --Nlu (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

links to google search results?

Hi, when referencing google search results, it's very useful and helpful to others to link to the search url, so everyone knows exactly what you're talking about, and doesn't have to redo all the work. Note that PMAnderson included such a link. If you could provide links to the searches to which you refer, that would be great. Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. I hope that in fact it convinces you that the current title is flawed. (I continue to believe that this is the wrong metric to look at, anyway.) --Nlu (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)