User talk:NativeForeigner/Archive/Archive-April2010

edit war at starcraft progaming

Thanks for the note. I don't think I'm anywhere close to the three revert rule, but I'll be sure to stay calm. Left a note on the IP's talk page, which he or she seems to be ignoring. I agree about the sources not being the best. But my intuition is that the foreign commentator scene is notable - 30 million video views on youtube - probably merits some mention in this article. de Bivort 19:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you still have a fair ways to go, but it seems every revert is just reverted again. Just making sure we're all on the same page. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 20:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you point me to a policy page on evaluating online sources, in the context of communities like gamers? The WP:RS pages don't really seem relevant. What do you call a site like gosugamers.net, or sc2gg.com, or tl.net? They are self published in some sense, but have independent staff. Is huffingtonpost.com considered reliable? It's online and has more or less the same system of self-publication originally followed by the accumulation of staff. /shrug. de Bivort 01:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Would this help? Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 06:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of A New Beginning (album)

An editor has nominated A New Beginning (album), an article which you have created or worked on, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A New Beginning (album) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to address the nominator's concerns but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. DMacks (talk) 01:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, WP:CSD#A9 does apply to albums, for example, {{db-album}}, but would likely have been declined due to weak claims of notability of some sort in this particular article. DMacks (talk) 01:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Task force allocations for Milhist project

Hi NativeForeigner, have you allocated to the task forces that interest you for Milhist yet? I'm not sure if you've seen the list yet, but there are still quite a few spots open for co-ords to add their name too. There are a couple of task forces without any co-ord, so if you are keen they can be all yours! Apologies if you've already added your name and I missed it. The relevant link is here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#Task force allocations. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 06:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I've looked at the coordinator talk page, but somehow missed that hulking table. I'll sign myself up. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 17:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIX (March 2010)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIX (March 2010)
From the coordinators I am pleased to report that the March coordinator elections have concluded, and that 15 members have been selected to serve as coordinators from April to September. Special congratulations go to AustralianRupert, Dank, MisterBee1966, NativeForeigner, Patar knight, and Ranger Steve, all of whom are newly elected coordinators. As we start this new tranche we welcome all returning coordinators, and wish those who decided not to stand for reelection luck as they move on to new things. In other election news, a motion made to extend the coordinator tranche from its current six-month term to one full year gained consensus from the election participants. This will take effect in September, during the next election cycle. For the IX Coordinator Tranche, TomStar81 (Talk) 05:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)	Articles of note New featured articles: 21st Regiment Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Battle of Osan Bayern class battleship Dutch 1913 battleship proposal Karl Aloys zu Fürstenberg Mary Rose No. 1 Wing RAAF USS Congress (1799) New featured lists: List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Boxer Rebellion List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Vietnam War List of United States Military Academy alumni (Confederate States Army) New featured topics: Battlecruisers of Germany New featured pictures: Cavalry At Balaklava New A-Class articles: Allan Walters Army of the Danube Battle of Dürenstein Byzantine-Sassanid War of 602–628 HMAS Sydney (R17) Horses in World War I Lê Văn Duyệt Michael P. Murphy Roderic Dallas USS Triton (SSRN-586)
Project news Operation Normandy In May 2008 a small group of editors, operating from a page in Cam's userspace, began work on improving Wikipedia's articles relating to the pivotal Second World War Battle of Normandy that took place in northern France between 6 June and the end of August 1944. Milhist has now adopted this collaboration as our third special project. The aim of Operation Normandy is to bring all core topics—official operations, battles, and the invasion beaches—to featured status by the 70th anniversary of D-Day on 6 June 2014. More information can be found on the project page; any interested editors are most welcome to sign up and help us meet this challenging goal! Henry Allingham World War I Contest Our Henry Allingham World War I Contest ended on 11 March with the following results: in first place was Sturmvogel 66; in second place was Ian Rose; in third place was Dana boomer; and the finalists were Abraham, B.S., Carcharoth, and XavierGreen. The contest produced an incredible 238 recognised article improvements, of which 6 were Featured articles, 13 were A-Class articles and 22 were Good articles. In addition 43 newly created or expanded articles were successfully submitted for the 'Did you know' section on Wikipedia's main page. Our warmest congratulations go to the medallists and finalists, and our grateful thanks go to all participants and particularly to Eurocopter for organizing the contest. Would you like to get more involved in the project? There are many open tasks that could use your help. The project's review department is always in need of input at peer reviews, A-class reviews, FACs and FARs; these can be found here. Also, the project maintains a list of deletion debates for military-related articles that have been nominated for deletion; project members are encouraged to provide their opinions in this forum so that consensus can be established. Finally, if content creation is more what you are looking for, each of the project's 48 task forces maintains a list of requested articles. Your comments are invited in the following ongoing project discussions: Pre-emptive disambiguation. Since 2006 our in-house style guide has recommended disambiguating the titles of articles about military units whether another article of the same name exists or not. The continued need for this practice is under discussion. Merging the Australian and New Zealand task forces. This is the final call for editors to have their say in choosing a name for the shortly-to-be-merged Australian and New Zealand task forces.
Contest department The Contest Department has completed its thirty-fifth month of competition. A total of 66 articles were entered by ten editors. Kumioko came first with 105 points, followed by Lordoliver with 79. They receive the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (75), Ian Rose (53), Parsecboy (35), and Historical Perspective (31). Binksternet, Cirt, Radeksz and YellowMonkey also fielded entries. Please submit any articles you are working on for the April contest.
Awards and honours The WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Nick-D in recognition of his long and distinguished service as a coordinator of this project from February 2008 to March 2010; sterling efforts on "big picture" subjects, including ten featured articles; and his tireless participation in discussion and review. Sturmvogel 66 in recognition of his distinguished service as a coordinator of this project, extraordinary performance within the Henry Allingham World War I Contest and other extremely valuable contributions to the project. The A-Class medal has been awarded to: Auntieruth55 for her work on Siege of Godesberg (1583), Karl Aloys zu Fürstenberg and Army of the Danube. Kumioko for his work on Smedley Butler, Michael J. Daly and Michael P. Murphy. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to: Ian Rose for his work on Alexander Pentland, Oswald Watt and Roderic Dallas.
Editorial: Translating article writing to real life I (Ed) am a college student in the United States, and as part of attaining my desired degree, I chose to take a course in Arab-Islamic history. We began in the early 600s and spent some time on the origins of the Islamic conquering of the Sassanid Empire and partial takeover of the Byzantine Empire (c. 634–750). From there, we have moved through the various ages of history, and the class recently began discussing the Ottoman Empire and other Islamic regions of more recent times. As we began discussing the Ottoman Empire's role in the First World War, our professor mentioned that they were blockading the Bosphorus, using it as a chokepoint to cut off needed supplies traveling to Russia's only warm-water port, Sevastopol. An astute classmate, realizing this meant the use of warships, wondered what naval technology was like during this time. The professor turned and asked me to answer the question, as he knew I had been studying naval history and believed that I knew more about the subject. The point of this anecdote is not to boast, but to provoke some thought. By virtue of the research Wikipedia writers must do to write complete, referenced articles, many of us are acquiring knowledge in specialized topics that can surpass even learned scholars. Wikipedia might even provoke some of us into becoming learned scholars through the subjects we find here. To profile one such case, take a look at Parsecboy. Beginning in May 2007, he came across a few essentially empty stubs on German battleship classes. Nearly 3 years later, he's written or collaborated on more than forty articles rated as good or higher, including over a dozen featured articles and a featured list; the majority relate to German warships. The work Parsecboy has done for Wikipedia has had a tremendous impact on his academic career: to complete his undergraduate degree, Parsecboy is currently writing an Honors Thesis that will analyze the British and German battlecruiser squadrons during the First World War. Parsecboy plans to attend graduate school and continue his research in the area, culminating in a dissertation. He comments that "without a doubt, I would not have had nearly as much knowledge and interest in the topic, nor would I have known where to begin researching if I had not become so involved with the topic here on Wikipedia." The knowledge you acquire through writing Wikipedia articles will remain with you for the rest of your life. Try to find a way to use it to your advantage. —Ed (talk • majestic titan) and Parsecboy (talk)
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YO

"edit war" ...sure. it is so common of wikipedia users to hold their opinion above others without looking into an issue. first of all, the commentators listed are not selected for being the most popular, their are other more popular commentators that are unlisted. secondly, all the commentators listed are all part of the sc2gg network which leads me further to beleive that their is a large bias by the person adding them in. sc2gg has put money into advertising and this could be one of their strategies. Thirdly, de bivort treats that article like a baby and will not accept any change even if its correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.189.100 (talk) 23:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

It was cited, and you did not seem to wish to discuss the issue. If you have any problems with it bring up the issues on the talk page. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 04:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

MILHIST Comments regarding ACR

Sorry if I seem gripey on the milhist page and I am glad to see new folks such as yourself (well your new to me anyway) taking an active interest in the project. --Kumioko (talk) 04:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

No, not at all. ACR seemed a bit convoluted when I looked into it anyways. I am admittedly fairly new to milhist, and I'm a coord now due to fairly low turnout in the elections, so anything to help me figure it out seems great. I was just considering getting more involved in the process a few days ago anyways. It is quite confusing, and the whole process discourages new people from getting involved. (my view at least) NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 04:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:MCQ

I hope you don't mind but I responded to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Answer this question for the millionth time, please because your answer was inaccurate. ww2censor (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I made an assumption that it would be creative. In real life you do not need to say it was based off a PD work, but for the purposes of wikipedia confirmation you do, if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for the better phrased answer. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 16:45, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Jeeze Chrizt man!!!!!!

Well that wasn't a harassment comment I was trying to be helpful because usually when that woman edits a page she makes about thirty revisions in thirty minutes so I wanted to you know give her a hint!! Also, I have removed the images from my talk page and will remove the images from my signature. Thanks!!! MANATH The Mage Singer (talk) 01:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

oh cool userboxes by the way really sleek i have to get me some of those MANATH The Mage Singer (talk) 01:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

tropenmuseum

My point was that giving the images away is amazing. That is enough for the hook. The picture might instead of being of the museum.... might be one of the more iconic pictures it has shared. Lots of museums should follow the tropenmuseum's lead. sorry if I confused you. hopefully a bit better now? Victuallers (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Gimjang

You have new messages

Hello, NativeForeigner. You have new messages at Chzz's talk page.
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 Chzz  ►  12:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for working on the article. I intended to remove the 'recipe' of course; I just left it temporarily, hoping I might come across some of the facts in that part, and be able to convert it into the prose - I guess I was attempting to salvage something of the work of the original creator.  Chzz  ►  00:28, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Certainly. Where is the link at the bottom of the ref section from. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 00:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

help is definitely needed.

If you go here, to section 7 you can see the list of articles they've edited. Some are up for GA already, but most of them could really use some help on the wikification, etc, comments, reviews, and general encouragement. There have been a few instances of them stepping on the toes of people with vested interests (ownership issues), but generally they are finding wikipedians cooperative and helpful. Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Okeydokey, I'll run through them with AWB, then start some more substantial changes. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 01:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

 AWB Completed... NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 02:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tropenmuseum

On April 18, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tropenmuseum, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 18:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Truman FAR

Hi NativeForeigner - Comments have been made by several editors at the Truman FAR (Wikipedia:Featured article review/Harry S. Truman/archive1) on further work that is needed before the article is kept as a FA. I realize that it may have been more to your tastes if the comments had been made while the article was in the FAR section, but they have been made now and need to be addressed if the article is to be kept. I hope you are interested in doing more work on the article, as the efforts you have put into the article so far have helped immensely. Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 23:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

ACR close

Just as I did for User:Ranger Steve here: User_talk:Ranger_Steve#ACR_closures, I am going to critique your close of the ACR for List of battleships of Germany so you don't make the same mistakes again.

• In closing the actual review, make sure that the archive template is properly positioned on the page, as Woody fixed, and it is also a good idea to use a full signature of four tildes so the date and time is also there.
• My tabbed browsing comments to Ranger Steve are still relevant.
• This is a problem, you should have also changed class=B to class=A and remove the B-Class checklist from our template as well as WP:SHIPS since we have a cross-listing agreement. This is also the case if the article was a WP:AVIATION article.
• You completely neglected to add the archived review to the review archive and the project newsletter - Wood fixed both of these.
• In adding the article to the showcase, you neglected to update the tally of A-Class articles
• On making nominations for ACMs, new noms go at the bottom just like talk page discussion, and usually the listing of the articles is with the oldest article first and the newest article last, as I have fixed it. Also, don't forget to italicize ship names, in this case {{SMS}} is very helpful.
• I won't comment on the Article History since Woody took care of that for you.

It would probably be extremely helpful to take a look at my string of edits the next time I close a review as successful to know what to do and how to do it correctly. That is until I publish the Academy article I have been planning on closing these. -MBK₀₀₄ 01:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. As for not finishing the review I actually lost internet, and still knew I needed to do those. When I got back woody had already taken care of it, so there wasn't much I could do. Still, that looks helpful. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 02:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

GAN backlog elimination drive - 1 week to go

First off, on behalf of myself and my co-coordinator Wizardman, I would like to thank you for the efforts that you have made so far in this GAN backlog elimination drive. It has been nothing short of a success, and that is thanks to you. See this Signpost article about what this drive has achieved so far. We're currently heading into the final week of the drive. At this time, if you have any GANs on review or on hold, you should be finishing off those reviews. Right now, we have more GANs on review or on hold than we do unreviewed. If you're going to start a GA review, please do so now so you can complete it by the end of the month and so that the nominator has a full 7-day window to address any concerns. See you at the finish!

–MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 16:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Jack-in-cube animation on FP

I wanted to let you know that I withdrew a featured picture nomination on which you voted so I could improve upon it. Consequently, your vote has been disenfranchised. The new, lighter version is here at Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Jack-in-cube_(lighter). Greg L (talk) 23:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Review of closure process 2

Because you've contributed to FPC either recently or in the past, I'm letting you know about the above poll on the basis of which we may develop proposals to change our procedures and criteria. Regards, Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 09:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)