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Happy editing!

Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:20, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

Thanks. I did not realize he had been so controversial lately. I am just a WWII buff and wanted to beef that part up a bit.

• What/why are the big controversies?
• Are you a fan, or just policing Wiki well? Beanbatch 20:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Omega

Hi, regarding your work with Alpha Phi Omega; I believe that you are doing a great job, however I want to caution you that it's not a good idea for individual chapters of any fraternity or sorority to have their own article on wikipedia. These pages tend to get deleted or merged as they are of no real interest to people outside the chapter. Please refer to the current VfD of Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Chi_Delta which is a chapter of the Psi Upsilon fraternity. --Dysepsion 21:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am involved with the group in a round-about way. I'm a Venturing Advisor who has a couple of Venturers involved in the extension effort. Plus, being an alumnus of the school, I have quite a few contacts and connections that they are starting to use to their advantage. Justinm1978 06:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Naraht: It appears that others have accused you of "vandalism" for removing sections that you may or may not agree with. Please stop Jrhmdtraum 00:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not that he may or may not agree with it, but you're providing original research, and not citing this material in any kind of WP:verify\verifiable source. I reverted it again. Please stop adding conjecture that doesn't contribute to the article and is suspect at best. Justinm1978 01:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

HRB Wyoming

That sentence about wyoming is correct. He worked with scouts in Kentucky or Virginia. I have plans on expanding out the whole article. I have the definitive guide on Bartle, the book by his daughter. I've heard her speak more times than I can remember.

Seems awkward in phrasing though.Naraht 15:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Alumni

I didn't assume that those without pages were not worthy, however; those contributors adding the persons name can add the person's page even if its only a stub. My thinking was that this is an article and should contain the list of every member which would eventually overpower. But, I have no problem with it reverting back. Ccson 19:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Messaging?

I just got your message, but I'm not sure how to send you one back. Maybe I'm blind, but I couldn't find instructions in the help pages and I'm pretty new here. Could you point me to a man page or something for inter-Wikipedia messaging? If you leave it in my user page I'll get it within a few days (I don't visit Wikipedia that often). LordTorgamus 2200, Mar. 16, 2006 (EST)

Charlotte Mason

Greetings, usually when one isn't ready to write a full article they create it in their userspace first and then move it to article space; thus I restored it to User:Naraht/Charlotte Mason. When you're done you can click the "Move" button and rename it to Charlotte Mason. Thanks, CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion? The two critical ones here would be lack of context and notability. Thus far it's "Charlotte Mason-(Born 1842 Died 1923)". What would be essential would be too finish off the sentence with "is a...." followed by a decription of something sounding notable. "...is a published author whose theories influenced homsechooling methods," for example, maybe with a reference or two to prove she exists and is a published author. Cheers, CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The article has definitely improved. However, checking some of the external links I noticed the wording in the article is too close to the wording in some of the sources. These parts of the article must be reworded, as copyright violations in Wikipedia are illegal. Thanks, CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Fraternities and sororities in the Philippines

Great job, keep up the good work. I think this is an excellent list. The fraternities and sororities in the Philippines definetly need their own list because the current list is implied to be Greek lettered societies of North American origin. Also, from what I know, the historical evolution of the greek system in the Philippines as well as some of their practices, is different from that of the North American fraternities. --† Ðy§ep§ion † ^{Speak your mind} 04:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for asking

Denni ☯ 00:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

TomTomTom?

I saw you using a pseudonym on a talk page by simply changing the linktext. While that's not sockpuppeting, isn't it bad form? (Just asking, I haven't been here long enough to know.) — vijay 13:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

'Cause it was so weird, I checked the revision history, and the comment was actually made by an un-logged-in IP address. The page is here, and it's the topmost comment where you can see TomTomTomTommy responding to you, but his(?) username points to your talk page. It's presumably not you, though, since he disagrees with you! I dunno. Bizzaro vandalism? — vijay 20:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Bizarro vandalism. Most of the contributions from that IP address are to the Phi Kappa Sigma Fraternity web page and Group of Death. Naraht 20:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Year linking

Hi, Naraht! I was being lazy on United States Congressional Delegations from North Carolina when I delinked the years. However, the Wikipedia Manual of Style, specifically Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Partial_dates, has some discussion about links to years-only. I am of the camp that believes linking years without the month or day is a bad idea, so I try to delink them. In the North Carolina article, I failed to delink all of them. So I suppose it's your call as to whether to link or delink those years. Cheers! —Markles 01:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Darwin

Can you show me where Apple have released the version of Darwin that corresponds with Mac OS X 10.4.7? I looked earlier and couldn't find it anywhere. The usual place is http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/. AlistairMcMillan 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Jospeh Doria

Just following up. Spoke with my father who assures me that he and Joe Doria were inducted into the Omicron Sigma chapter together and both were members until graduation. His theory is that some names were added to the database when the chapter wa reactivated in 1996, but not all the records are complete. My father was the community advisor at the time of the reactivation. Jim Miller 12:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Kappa Rho

I see you indicated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Rho that you are interested in trying to clean that article up. If so, please note that AfDs normally last five days; this one started on Aug. 24, so it will probably end Aug. 29. --Metropolitan90 15:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Understood. There appears to be enough for a good article there, even if I have to go back and look at some of the prior versions. Naraht 22:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

BYU first

What specific questions do you have? --NThurston 18:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, BYU has a Venturing Crew on campus. It is exclusively for students in the Rec Mgmt and Youth leadership program who are doing the track to become a professional Scouter. It is one of few (if not the only) such program in the country. You should get in touch with Brad Harris, the faculty leader of that program. I am sure you can find his contact info through the net. He could answer all questions that you have about Scouting on campus. The Pow-wow is organized through Continuing Education, and although I know there is a lot of student support, I could not tell you exactly how the leadership structure works. --NThurston 20:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Fraternity and Sorority

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware of the special circumstances. It makes since, as that is the only way to display the letters. Stealthound 13:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

APO Userbox

Thanks for the heads up! Cstaber

Greek template

As a member of the Fraternity and Sorority project, please check out the proposed project template and leave your feedback. Scoutersig 17:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

APO Welcome

Thanks! I just started my pledge period at the AEH chapter. What chapter were you in? --DodgerOfZion 05:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweet. Looking forward to what APO has in store for me. --DodgerOfZion 02:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

SAINT

Hi Naraht. To be honest, Nessus (software) is mostly unreadable to me. It should really be cleaned up to remove all the technobabble. Regarding SAINT (software), the loudest indicator of spam is the use of the "®", and the outlining of certain products or services in the headers. But basically it just looks like it's trying to sell it to me. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia really doesn't need a blow-by-blow description of exactly what the product does or what makes it cool. We need to know why it matters. Does this help? There are also various article-writing help pages you can look at, like Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles. Cheers, Fang Aili ^talk 20:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I'll be happy to look it over when you're ready. I also added some tags to Nessus (software). Cheers, Fang Aili ^talk 20:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Featured lists

I came across the wikipedia featured lists page, and thought that our list of notable APO brothers might be worth shooting for to get on that status. Then, that led me to the List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) page, which already is a featured list. So that gives us a good example about how to model our list. There's a couple of interest things about the BSA eagle scout list. For one, it's simply alphabetical, not organized by membership status or occupation. they have a small icon which designated those that are recipients of the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award. I guess the equivalent of that for APO's distinguished alumni would be either the national DSK or national alumni DSK.

What we could do for the notable APO members list is to list in alphabetical order, like the BSA list. Then have small icons for various categories; a small service pin icon for a notable alumnus, a small service pin with an 'H' in the middle to denote a notable honorary, and small icons of the two DSKs to denote recipients of both of those awards.

On another note, I also like that they have added (deceased) to each person on the list that is no longer living. And I also don't feel too bad about our list having 177 citations; the BSA list has 107. Dr. Cash 22:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you brother

Hi, thnx for welcoming me anyways my name is Michael and im also an alumnus of Beta Omega Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega Philippines. I pledged on 1993.

List of notable Alpha Phi Omega members: Featured List Nomination

If you could take a look at the Featured List nomination for the article, that would be good. I've been doing a reasonably good job at dealing with most of the criticisms, except for this one guy:

Pleased to see the grouping. This does confirm there are serious holes in the comprehensiveness (FLC 1b). I suspect the sources concentrate on Leaders rather than folk who are good at what they do (e.g. top sports people, writers, actors, singers, etc). My opposition on 1a&b still stands and is actionable. Colin°^Talk 12:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Basically looks like his major objection is the fact that, according to him, the research done seems to be biased towards government leaders, as opposed to having more people in other categories (smaller lists like sports & entertainment and such). If you look at the page, he's also had a problem with the War Eagle part, too (even though that is fully sourced). I don't want to start hacking up the list, so I thought it would be best to bring this to your attention, since you did most of the research on it. Dr. Cash 00:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha

Please do not delete content from articles on Wikipedia, as you did to Alpha Phi Alpha. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you.--Ccson 02:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC) Thanks for helping back me up on the APhiA discussion. You clearly have a lot more time to reserach the correct terms for things than I do :) Justinm1978 03:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem.

InfoBox?

What is your take on this discussion: Template Talk:Infobox Fraternity#Proposed Change

I want to come up with a way that satisfied their need to be listed as a service organization while matching up with what they really are, but I find the proposal of "Title IX Status" to be cumbersome, because most people (IE, someone who is reading the article) do not understand why that is significant to the issue. My thought is to drop "type" and replace it with one or two more things that meet the above without being worded like the above. My thought it just replace it with classification (general/social, service, professional, cultural) , and leave it at that. Any halfway intelligent reader will take a quick glean through an article and very quickly ascertain that the group does a lot of service, very little service, or focuses on whatever.

I do find the whole thing stupid in the sense that I feel that this is symptomatic of GLO's trying to be better than other GLO's, and trying to carve their niche. I've noticed how many GLO's emphasize the fact that they were the "first" at something or that they are really different and more special than everyone else. Your help and guidance is well-appreciated in advance... Justinm1978 16:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm there. :)Naraht 18:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yay, indeed. Hopefully this marks the end of that entire conversation :) Justinm1978 23:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

blah, spoke too soon.... :( Justinm1978 05:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Nahart, I simply suggested Baird, but obviously I'm not the final arbiter. I changed the infobox template to add a comment that the type was based on Title IX since I thought that was the consensus based on Justinm1978's theory. Justin has reverted the comment and I feel that if we're not ready to impose the same requirement to all groups by changing the template, then APA should not be changed. the debate should move to the Infobox template page on how to define type, and encourage other editors to respond so that all groups are defined by the same test. Surely you agree that to change APA's template based on a consensus, and then not change the controlling template because we're not sure, is not acting in good faith.--Ccson 14:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Featured lists

have you seen the format for List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni and List of Dartmouth College alumni? It mihgt be a lot of work, but I may use the table format when I get to the List of APA brothers.--Ccson 15:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, though there are a *lot* of the brothers especially honorary I don't have years for so I'd just want to use chapter in that column. I'll have to look at it later.Naraht 15:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh, duh, I agree that the years field field wouldn't work for a GLO, I just wanted you to see the table format. I have added the template {{FratMemberStart}} and I've already begun using it in the APA list. The template is easy to use once you get the hang of it, my work comes in getting references. Since you have the references; I can help you convert the APO list if you like. You can start at the top, I the bottom, and we're meet somewhere halfway. let me know.--Ccson 11:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

That looks cool, but let me talk to the other people who have been working on there. One issue is the graphics that we use for Honorary and APO-Philippines. I know that in Alpha Phi Alpha that an the overseas are part of the same organization, but for Alpha Phi Omega, not quite the same way. Alpha Phi Omega Philippines and Alpha Phi Omega-USA are bound the way that two different National Scouting organizations are. Also, can individual Alpha Phi Alpha chapters make honorary brothers? The only honorary I see is Hubert Humphrey.Naraht 13:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, individual chapters can make honorary members and these member have the same entitlements as those through a tradtional pledge process. Lionel Ritchie, W.E.B. Du Bois and others are honorary members made by a local chapter. Hubert Humphrey was made an honorary member at a national convention, therefore; no specific chapter is listed. I find the APA list easier to read and a better presentation of list, especially when seeing to become a Featured List. The Dartmouth College list doesn't use a template, they create each table directly in the article, I found that tedious and so I mimicked the templage used by Georgia Tech. You may want to create a template specific to APO to address your individual concerns. I encourage you to Be BOLD and Create, I just wanted to show you the formatted table style.--Ccson 15:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Then is "Pledge Chapter" correct for them? I guess that in Alpha Phi Alpha, the terminology "Pledge chapter" would be used because someone who became a brother at Cornell and then became active in a graduate chapters in San Francisco would be listed as Alpha, but someone who joined gradate at the alumni chapter at SF would be listed under that. Also a couple of other things. First, when did graduate chapters being able to make full brothers begin and were they first among the NPHC for that. Second, In regard to the template, I'd love to use Baird's as the source and forget Title IX entirely; that would have Alpha Phi Alpha as Social however. Perhaps have one entry for type in terms of Baird's and then another for area of emphasis which for the honoraries would have things like Tau Beta Pi: Engineering. Alpha Phi Alpha could have service there, if you think appropriate...Naraht 15:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for participation: the Infobox Fraternity mediation

The Mediation Cabal: Request for case participation

Dear Naraht/Archive 1: Hello, my name is NicholasTurnbull; I'm a mediator from the Mediation Cabal, an informal mediation initiative here on Wikipedia. You've recently been named as a dispute participant in a mediation request here: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-06-29 Infobox Fraternity I'd like to invite you to join this mediation to try to get this dispute resolved, if you wish to do so; note, however, it is entirely your choice whether or not you participate, and if you don't wish to take part in it that's perfectly alright. Please read the above request and, if you do feel that you'd like to take part, please make a note of this on the mediation request page. If you have any questions or queries relating to this or any other dispute, please do let me know; I'll try my best to help you out. Thank you very much. Best regards, NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

DC Meetup notice

Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Wikipedia meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians_in_Maryland, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices \(like this one\), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page.--Gmaxwell 00:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Didn't know the link was white supremist. Thanks for removing it. 66.108.180.176 20:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Jonathan Blum

Well, there is his Wikipedia article that says he's a Brother! Not that I did that or anything... =} Seriously, I don't have anything at the present time. Are you going to need to pull him from the list? Henrymrx 02:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

added wikilink Henrymrx 02:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd add a reference that looks something like. <ref>Active Brother at same time (1990-1991) as [[User:Henrymrx|Henrymrx]]</ref>Naraht 12:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

More like 1992-1994. And thanks. Henrymrx 12:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

You meant for me to do it. Got it. =) Henrymrx 12:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Had to guess at the year, and you knew what I meant. :) Seriously, this leaves the following unreferenced: Graham Spanier (In the National membership database at the right tim), Jimmy Carter, Joseph V. Doria, Sherman Minton, John A. Perkins and J. L. Tarr.

United States Senate elections, 2008

Why am I not surprised to find you watching one of the same random articles that I watch? =) Henrymrx (talk) 11:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Because I'm your clone who was sent back in time?:) Seriously, could you take a look at the Alpha Phi Omega talk page and give your opinion on the text that I put in the sandbox page about women joining alpha phi omega from the 75th anniv CD?Naraht 11:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't have time to critique it right now; it'll have to wait until after Regionals. Henrymrx (talk) 14:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool.Naraht 14:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Oy, I just can't catch a break here...

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with my AfD nomination, but apparently a few others disagree, such to the point that instead of them being able to be merged together into a "Founders" article, I have to AfD each one individually....that doesn't make things more difficult or anything... Justinm1978 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Addition to All-Male List

Hey, someone added Sigma Pi, Prairie View A&M University to the all-male list over on the APO article. I have NO idea how valid that is. Thought I should give you a heads up. Happy Holidays! Henrymrx (talk) 13:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)