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Thin on the ground

Yup sure am, thanks for the good advice re uploading, cheers and just a quick squiz SatuSuro 11:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Moondyne

Tan Merry S. (talk) 00:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Your user page sir

Smacks of something i cannot put the words to. As for (C) - could you please remind why or how can a facsimile publisher can claim any form of copyright over an item in the PD? SatuSuro 01:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

AFAIK, a facsimile publisher cannot claim copyright to the original material. Giles' journals were published in S Australia in 1889 so they're PD regardless of whoever decides to reproduce them. If the publisher added some new artistic or creative material to the original that would be copyright. I've not seen the Hesperian Press version, but the original text appear in several eBooks (eg. Gutenberg), so there's no issue about copy-pasting from there. Moondyne 01:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately they can claim what they want, as it is not illegal to make a false copyright claim. You and I won't be fooled by it, nosirree Bob, but thousands will. :-( Hesperian 01:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

About all they can claim then is their preface or intro but not the actual text (which is what i thought - but hey 2 other opinions are always worth a stab in the dark for) SatuSuro 03:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help (that was my first "front page" edit so I had some worries). I compared my hard copy of Giles's book with the Gutenberg site text and they seem very close - same text, same drawings, same appendix, same index. The cover art is owned by the National Gallery of Victoria. My hard copy came with six maps; five of them are marked: "London: Sampson Low, Marston, Searle, & Rivington" (the original publishers). The sixth map doesn't have any publisher's marks; perhaps that map is the claim for copyright. When I get more time I'll read Giles's book again and make notes of Gibson's contribution to exploration; from memory it was blowing into horse's noses and catching them by the tail.Dugong.is.good.tucker (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

How impossible

Would it be to get the stages of the zig zag and the stathams siding onto this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Zigzag1.svg SatuSuro 03:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

No problemo-I presume you just want another couple of labels. The quarry is half way between the zig and the zag. Is Goosebury above or below ZigZag? Moondyne 03:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ridge Hill was a stopping place/points location, and stahams quarry siding up slighter and the in some records they have identified points/changeover locations, and goosberry hill is higher - ridge hill and stathams are not half way up the hill - slightly lower SatuSuro 03:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

sorry forgot your question - gooseberry hill location is along and above the actual zig zag proper SatuSuro 04:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Your fine eye for detail is required at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Darling_Range_Railway when ever you are able to - thanks SatuSuro 12:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I think one of the imperial/metric calcs is wrong SatuSuro 13:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much it looks much much better - I must learn how to do that format for the conversions - it looks great! - you now have the most accurate specs for your gradient graph! SatuSuro 14:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Some abridged instructions at User:Moondyne/Convert if you're interested. Moondyne 03:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

No, that's excellent. It's great having different people looking at this stuff as we'll all most likely take different views or perspectives on the thing - mine obviously focussing on the results and the campaigns, as that's the easiest to source from newspapers and the like. 1911's my target for FA, by the way (probably not entirely obvious from my contribs, as most of my work on researching it and building a content library has been offline to this point). Orderinchaos 08:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? The articles List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1980s and List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1990s, pages you contributed to, have also been listed at the deletion discussion for the 1970s article.--Classicrockfan42 (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

No, that's excellent. It's great having different people looking at this stuff as we'll all most likely take different views or perspectives on the thing - mine obviously focussing on the results and the campaigns, as that's the easiest to source from newspapers and the like. 1911's my target for FA, by the way (probably not entirely obvious from my contribs, as most of my work on researching it and building a content library has been offline to this point). Orderinchaos 08:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s

An article that you have been involved in editing, List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? The articles List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1980s and List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1990s, pages you contributed to, have also been listed at the deletion discussion for the 1970s article.--Classicrockfan42 (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Your barnstar

Congratulations; you're the inaugural recipient of the cum grano salis barnstar. What an honour! Hesperian 23:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

I know that I am a worthy recipient of this honour. Thanks! Moondyne 01:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

DELETION OF MY WORK

Hi Moondyne

re. wikipedia's removal of List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1960s which I originally produced.

Basically in standardising my lists, they have cut out the "weeks at number one" category, which I used in my research for my radio show, which I why I put the lists up there in the first place. The year by year format detracts from the presentation, I believe. More about it here:

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_number-one_albums_in_Australia_during_the_1970s#objection_to_the_removal_of_this_list

I had absolutely no idea that this list was going to be deleted and I am not at all happy that someone in North America has downgraded my original work (You will see my reasons listed above). I was not notified that Classirockfan42 was going to do this, nor was my permission asked for in doing this. Basically some of the information in my voluminous lists were removed without my permission and will take a lot of work to reinstate them. I don't want to do this just because someone in America didnt like the formatting I used!

regards Barry in Sydney Rusty201 (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I will reply at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s. Moondyne 00:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

current project

you'll see im putting in a year end chart for every year in the template:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Australian_music_charts

What guidelines have they gone by to change and downgrade my work re the album lists? How do I know this next project won't suffer a similar fate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusty201 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Those changes to the template are fine; and you don't—there's no way I can answer that. Wikipedia works by consensus for everything and no-one owns any article. Every edit page has a notice "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly ... do not submit it." If you push the envelope with original research or hard-to-explain tables, you have to expect that sooner or later someone will come along and challenge you. You need to understand the acceptable standards the Wikipedia community expects and you'll usually have no problem. Moondyne 00:52, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Impressed

I've been extremely impressed with you and u've been the best wikipedian i've worked with! Aaroncrick (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Gibson's maps

Thanks, bushy. Unfortunately I don't have any scan capabilty. All this stuff was supposed to to be "parliamentary papers by the Governmenent of th Colony of South Australia." Those cetailnly ought to be available. I —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugong.is.good.tucker (talk • contribs) 02:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I spent a few hours looking for those maps this morning. From what I could tell, that State Library of South Australia does hold them, but there seems to be no incentive to make them accessible. I spent some time trying to fathom their system but emerged baffled. If I lived near the Emerald City, I might attain enlightenment after a while. Oddly enough, I came across a SA library-published version of Australis Twice Traversed,, priced at $99 ($139 for with deluxe edition) As usual, if I said what I thought, people would be offended. The local bookshop charged $40-$50 for Australia Twice Traversed. Dugong.is.good.tucker (talk) 02:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I hear you brother! Its sad but probably not surprising how many libraries have difficulty reconciling their public duty in sharing their booty with the need for fund-raising. A bit like them claiming copyright on old photographs which are clearly public domain and for which they are just custodians of while demanding permission be given before mere mortals can touch. eg [1]. Ah well... Cheers. Moondyne 05:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts of a Hakluyt Society sort of setup for Australian explorers? (Someone else please say yes) There are plenty of documents, maps, biological samples, etc. Much of it has not been published in a usable form. The Giles book we've discussed is itself, a conflation of, according to his author's notes:" the journals of the first two expedtitions formed a small book, which was mostly distributed to the patrons who had subscribed to the fund....The account of the third found its way into the the South Australian Observer, while the records of the fourth and fifth journeys remained as parliamentary documents...."

And we know, there's plenty of good stuff buried the State Libraries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugong.is.good.tucker (talk • contribs) 02:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

There is Gutenberg and Wikisource. Moondyne 02:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Launceston

You might want to take a look at Launceston,_Tasmania#Major_Developments. this has been discussed on the Talk Page. Personally, I don't think such sections should be included unless a development is very unique and very notable. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes you are very right about the Launceston page. Well done for talking some sense! :) Keep up your good work. Aaroncrick (talk) 06:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

When can Launceston be rated higher again? because it's a lot better than many other c-rated articles and even b-rated ones. (Hobart article for example). Aaroncrick (talk) 05:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

media coverage of Wikipedia

Ahh Mr Moondyne. Sometimes there are generally positive items about WP. Have you forgotten Daniel Pink's epochal feature in Wired? Reporters aren't concerned with whether things are positive or negative - we report what's happening. Vandalism of WP entries, and repair of those articles, for example. It's unrealistic to expect wholly-positive coverage of anything. Davidcohen (talk) 06:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

3.5 years ago! Time flies. I have been chastened by your comments, Moondyne, and will write something positive this time: the entries on performing arts venues in Perth. User Ali K has agreed to an email interview. Any ideas/suggestions on what I should include in my article? Davidcohen (talk) 02:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

thank you

Hi

Just wanted to thank you for your support in the case below. I've joined the AUSMUS group and have just recently added all the year end charts to the "Australian Music charts" template.

I've posted the below to a couple of sites in AUSMUS & AUS PROJECT, hoping someone in the hierarchy can deal with the issue, cheers Rusty201 (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Australian #1 albums list decision reversal

Wikipedia recently decided in favour of keeping 3 pages, recently marked for deletion

• List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1970s
• List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1980s
• List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1990s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_number-one_albums_in_Australia_during_the_1970s

in an AfD case.

As the reasons / argumets for keeping these are basically the same for the recently deleted part of this same series List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1960s, how does one go about requesting for the reinstatement of the original work/page?

By the time I realised the page had disappeared in late August, it was too late to do anything about it, as it had gone. I had not logged in for quite some time under my username.

with thanks, Rusty201 (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Its a bugger. In simple terms, the answer is here. I also had missed the earlier discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of number-one albums in Australia during the 1960s but we must respect the views of the people who participated in that discussion from which there was a clear consensus to delete. So the route we now need to go down is probably Wikipedia:Deletion review. Before doing that though, I've dropped a note at PhilKnight's talk page for his thoughts. Moondyne 00:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Now at DRV. Moondyne 02:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Lucky

Thanks for that, I have asked somno to check her factiva connection to fill it out a bit - it was a case i couldnt believe that we didnt have an article on him (or bill for that matter) - cheers and thanks SatuSuro 14:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Clackline was a railway junction - if i got it right (i toook out my confusion with going south to york as well ( iam sure the line to york was through northam or just south - cos my maps are under stuff) one line went north to toodyay and the other went to northam - it was an important timing and tearoom/toilet stop in the much earlier railway history but by 50's i think the stops were not so prevalent as northam was the stop lcation - as always i couldnt believe we didnt have it as an art - good on ya starting it! SatuSuro 15:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

The gooseberry hill air crash and clackline and york ones need more material. I am sorry my pre election hysteria has clouded my previously better sense of the mental in my head rail map of clackline, toodyay northam and york - when i was a kid they were all intact and could be folowed - now they are wantonly destroyed by road works and i get confused what was what - cheers and have a good weekend - schmellecktions one day and commercialisms honouring fatherhood the next - have a nice quiet monday at least SatuSuro 07:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ta, thanks for that - speak agin once i rise from thechaos of schmellecktion SatuSuro 13:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Victoria

It's too bad the discussion doesn't encompass Category:Football (soccer) in Victoria (Australia); that would tickle me pink. Hesperian 02:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Apologies

Hello! I just wanted to pass along my apology for disappointing you in my train wreck of an RfA (there is a scrap metal sale going on now, if you're interested). I am going on Wikibreak and I will let you know when or if I am back on the site -- I am trying to take time away to clear my thoughts and refocus on this and other priorities. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ghost towns

Your question is a good one - some are purely abandoned - some completely immersed (Crotty in Tassies west coast) - while some a mers ghosts of former selves - I suspect a lot depends if there is a definition at the main article at which the term becomes the category. I consider cue, mount magnet and yalgoo ghost towns of their former selves - but i suspect no one else would call them that - you are most welcome to change it out of the category/article - its just i was taking the imperative of it being referred to as one from the the king book summary which had it listed as being one. I have a copy of the golden trail book and cd - havent check it for how it refers to the old places - also realise if havent got the off like flies book in there as a ref - i think a lot of the people phtoographed and interviewed were in the old dying towns SatuSuro 10:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The town was first settled in the 1890s as part of a gold rush but today is a virtual ghost town. Finding that in the Sandstone article is somewhat disconcerting as well - maybe we need to have a vote at the Wa noticeboard whether we allow virtual ghost towns or not, or by what criteria they are extant as towns and what point they become ghost - hum SatuSuro 02:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Fine no probs - i think the use of the word at sandstone art a bit off putting - forget the vote - just careful usage then - cheers SatuSuro 03:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

In between one disater and another

Today sorted out the pre standard gauge junctions for the old narrow gauge from childows to northam - will atempt to put in - also do you know if any of the whiz jig conversion things can cope with chains? SatuSuro 08:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• {{convert|100|chain}} → 100 chains (6,600 ft; 2,000 m); or
• {{convert|100|chain|m}} → 100 chains (2,000 m); or
• {{convert|100|chain|km}} → 100 chains (2.0 km)

Suit yourself. Moondyne 08:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you dont know when i ll start but it will involve quite a few arts to co-ordinate the infos and the links SatuSuro 08:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Flying Porcine visit

Im getting off for the real world but mystified why this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_homesteads_in_Western_Australia:_L looks like it is - I'll leave you to ponder it i am indeed now away from the computer when you read this - cheers SatuSuro 00:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for following that up - hope we are all the wise from any further info on that - cheers SatuSuro 07:40, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Australia Music

Thanks for the fix - was getting a bit lost & confused. Dan arndt (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Microformats

With regards to your post on Andy's page, let me know if Microformat makes sense. I can elaborate on it if you want. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The class names are fixed. If you have a microcode-enabled browser or browser plugin, the browser will parse it to produce a geolink. The same applies to addresses and telephone numbers, where you can get the necessary data as a vcard to export to your addressbook. Browsers that are not enabled will ignore the special class. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Garrn

didnt see you on- it looked like a conventional warning was gonna be a waste of time with the relative speed of blanks and focus on non english abuse SatuSuro 11:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Just got here. Off again shortly. Moondyne 11:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

" Reading this, you have to wonder what went wrong "

Answer: My stern defense of Bluegoblin7. He was accused of sock puppetry and several admins were calling for his head stating in-factual information, out of stress of the scenario of him being indef blocked I called one of the admins a joke. Which resulted in no less than four hostile "Final warning" messages from admins both on ANI and my talkpage somewhat WP:BITE like but never the less, Feeling provoked I ranted on thier talk pages and more specifically, likened the adminship to joining a brothel. I was consequently blocked by Arbitrator Deskana for 3 hours. (a cool down block) No one would over turn an arbitrators block, official or not but several admins saw its as nothing other than a punitive call down block. This was further confirmed when Deskana stated that the block was not for attacks, personal or otherwise. To make it even funnier, SteveCrossin (whilst using PeterSymonds account) reviewed one of my block requests (denying it) and protected my talk page. I was acquainted with Steve. The final slap in the face was when MBisanz removed my rollback and account creator rights (which had absolutly nothing to do with the situation) when my block expired torting "I do not believe you have the community's trust to use such tools and have removed them". This was fixed after allot of begging that I should not have had to done (hence the so called "Feuding" with him as if he did nothing wrong). If that wasn’t enough whilst I was blocked I was talking about what I was going to in re to: Deskana when I got unblocked since everyone was asking, At the mention of possible rfc/u I was banned from the IRC server for 24 hours for "Annoying people", funny, no one said I was annoying them but, I went to appeal the block in the op channel and I was told on entry "no" by the same op and also banned. I has to private message a op who I knew was un-biased to get me unblocked. After all this "drama and shit stiring" in the eyes of admins and ops, ive been labled a troll and was banned on entry to IRC SWMT (before this latest thing) so I may as well play the part.

Now you have some idea as to why I have become so hostile and bitter toward admins an Wikipedia in general resulting in nothing but bad faith.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 13:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It was a rhetorical question. I suggest you drop the drama recycling and get back to mainspace contributions ASAP. If you don't think you can drop the bitterness, best to find another hobby and move on. Moondyne 00:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Noel Ferrier

Hi there

Thank you for cleaning up the edits from Noel Ferrier. I'd like to ask your help and advice. Noel was my uncle, and was born in 1930, three years my father's junior. The IMDB has persistently been incorrect in this respect (in spite of my requests) and I note that in your recent edit you preferred the IMDB to the Australian Government web site "It's an honour". Would you mind very much if I reverted the date back to 1930?

Best wishes

Adamm FerrierAdamm 10:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so soon - much appreciated.Adamm 10:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamm (talk • contribs)

Eagle eye

For mistakes etc and good formatting - needed at the two new arts on the 'board - cheers SatuSuro 14:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC) If i am as obscure as usual - Petroleum in Western Australia and Vegetation Survey of Western Australia would no doubt benefit from your keen eye for etc and etc SatuSuro 14:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

gimme 10 mins. Moondyne 14:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

No great rush - just figured you did those arts on the north west oil stuff you might like to tie stuff in - but i have a horrible thought that it should link with the two monsters of incompleteness of the wa project (apart from the ripped apart aboriginal articles which i have forgotten to go back and fix up) - the mining and economy articles they are a serious embarrassment SatuSuro

Hmm - what a horrible category that will be (if it gets up and running -....) someones gotta bite the bullet :) SatuSuro 15:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. Soon, but not yet I think. Moondyne 15:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

There is something about the big arts like that give me the creeps - but i cannot put my finger on that particular one - maybe it was remembering school or uni days with the stuff on that subject that SatuSuro 15:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Hendy

That's a really good article, I think summaries are actually harder to do than expositories because one has to extract the key elements out and be concise (something which I've never been dreadfully good at :P). Orderinchaos 18:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for your kind words, they were much appreciated. --Hughesdarren (talk) 05:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of Bart Versieck?

Robert Young has pointed out that Flemishboy may be a sock of Bart Versieck, and I am inclined to agree, given the nature of their contributions and even their very username. A quick overview makes me think it's a worthy CheckUser case, under Category F, but I wanted to see what you thought, as the blocking admin. I'm not sure that it's entirely obvious, just very likely. Cheers, CP 16:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sandgropers and the tremendous value of wikipedia as a reference source

Noticed a recent reversion you made on Western Australia after someone had deleted the reference to the Sandgroper. Glad you did that. Six months ago, way before I started editing WP, I stumbled across the WA article, clicked on the sandgroper link & found the photo of the actual sandgroper. It was all quite a revelation. Born in Perth & apart from working o/s for a bit I've lived here all my life. I'm old enough to remember Channel 7 selling 'Sunny Sandgropers' for Telethon in late 70's (from memory you could buy them at any branch of the R&I Bank or Golden Fleece petrol stations!) Somehow it never occurred to me that a sandgroper was a real insect. I always thought the name "sandgroper" was invented by someone in the east and related in some way to Perth people spending most of summer at the beach. From that Wikipedia article, not only did I finally find out that sandgropers are real, but that I actually have them in my backyard. Only ever see half a dozen in late summer. For years, I've wondered what these weird creatures were & was very careful first time I saw one because of the large size and slight resemblance to a scorpion. Even thought I'd found a new species and considered getting taking one to the WA musueum to confirm my discovery though I'm glad I found the WP article first!) GlenDillon 07:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I still have my little Sunny somewhere. Got him in 85 at the tender age of 7. :) Orderinchaos 12:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

What! See [2]. I am deprived. Moondyne 12:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Saw one on tuesday in bushland between Challenge stadium and CSIRO offices in a section of recently disturbed ground, and I say mumbling lots of interesting words about not having a camera with me Gnangarra 03:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

All the texts say they are found in sand dunes which implies beachside I guess but I live in the southern suburbs on relatively flat ground about 8 km from the coast yet I've definitely got them in my garden. I'll try to get one to pose for a photo next time I spot it. The Sandgeroper article could do with an image in the article body itself not just embedded in the reference GlenDillon 04:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

G'day Glen; nice to meet you. From a scientific point of view, a "sand dune" isn't just the sandhills next to the beach; it is any sand that the wind blew in. About half of the Swan Coastal Plain is on dunes formed over thousands of years by the wind blowing beach sand inland. The other half has soil that washed down off the scarp over thousands of years. If you're 8 km from the beach, you are almost certain to be living in a dune system, even if the ground is fairly flat where you are. Hesperian 04:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

G'day to you and thanks for the consise explanation:) You've just caused me to have a flashback to geog lectures 20 years ago most of which I've forgotten! I seem to recall Spearwood & Bassendean sand systems etc GlenDillon 05:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, the trifecta was completed by Quindalup. Hesperian 05:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

For cripes sake - if you gonna talk about all this sort of stuff on an absent admins page - dont forget the actual qualities of the Bassendean sand - isnt it the blackest and least of anything part of all this? :( SatuSuro 14:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

help?

Wondering how I can fix a redirect in my sandbox - somebody helpful has placed a redirect in my sandbox for an article I created now I can't use SandBox to create any draft articles - is there someway to get rid of the redirect, given the article has been created.. Dan arndt (talk) 07:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Your revert

Agrees with the website i just quoted there - odd spelling by the red link ip SatuSuro 02:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC) And I agree with that as well - lazy me! SatuSuro 02:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Launceston Firsts

Should the Launceston First section be deleted because trivia should be avoided? Although i believe if referenced it's important. Aaroncrick (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Ta

.., and yours. Did you get an update from me? cygnis insignis 00:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Like the piccie

It is fitting :) SatuSuro 12:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC) Endorsed template at western australia talk isnt working on my computer SatuSuro 15:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC) hahahah (or cfds to that effect) - what a day i am hhhahahahah off SatuSuro 15:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Fred

I cleaned up my extremely messy subspace, in the process releasing into the wild the unfinished Fred Alexander (historian). Hesperian 00:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Did we ever find out if the Alexander Library Building was named after him?

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/lishistory.html Hesperian 00:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

"Harumph"

It is nice to know you are occasionally looking over my shoulder over there. Are you enjoying the read? I sure am. BTW, while I'm at it, I'm building Wikiquote:Yagan. Hesperian 05:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Iwanamonkey

User talk:Iwanamonkey has made some very distruptive edits and needs to be blocked. Regards Aaroncrick (talk) 06:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE.[3] Aaron if this is one of your or your friend's silly games, ala User:Lukeyslegends, then tell them to grow up and stop it. Moondyne 12:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? I don't know him. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC) Well done i see you have blocked him. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

woz

trying for the wider of the 4 types of south west link - at perth - btw do you agree with my asserting that indian ocean should stay tagged despite tonys edit? SatuSuro 13:40, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Moondyne 13:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Ta SatuSuro 14:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

WT:CRIC

Need another Australian pundit, eg yourself, to chip in on the notability guidelines for club cricket. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 02:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Wilco. Thanks, but I do not see myself as a pundit. Moondyne 02:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Early Days

Speaking of that, does anyone have access to ...

Hutchison, David (1980). "William Ernest Cooke : First Government Astronomer in Western Australia". Early Days. 8 (4): pp.93-114. {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help)

Moondyne 09:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

If you can wait to tuesday or so - I woz in battye lunch today getting the items on hesps talk page - not back until tuesday lunch :( SatuSuro 10:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have that one; I'll send you a scan first think Monday morning. Hesperian 11:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant. Thanks. Moondyne 14:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thats a relief, specially the 'first think on monday' looks dangerous - my visit on tuesday is looking dodgy as to whether i get there or not SatuSuro 14:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I was gonna change that but thought he may have typed it deliberately as a secret code or something! Thanks anyway to whoever can deliver the loot. Moondyne 14:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Nah, that's just me accidentally revealing my trailer-park trash real life identity. Hesperian 14:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Potentially another tyop - you might or might not want to include it as a ref :(

Scan sent. Hesperian 00:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Received with thanks. Moondyne 01:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

That's funny, I don't remember sending any thanks with it.... Hesperian 01:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Somethink [sic] unrelated to the above

• Kelly, Jim. Mt. Lang Hancock. Gina Rinehart continues to urge the government to rename Mount Meharry to mark the 50th anniversary of Lang's discovery of iron ore. Sunday times (Perth, W.A.), 3 Nov. 2002, p.1-2,

need to verify? try http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/X?SEARCH=mount+meharry&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D

I feel it has something of - well as hesp puts it trailer-park trash real life stuff to it :( SatuSuro 14:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Moondyne 14:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

gawd youre easily pleased :) SatuSuro 14:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I sure am. Moondyne 14:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a very sneaky feeling i have the geographic names committee bulletin for that year as well - but like the australian vet history article i have mislaid which i had promised to spy in darwin - i have suspciion my geog names bulletins are in the same pile :( SatuSuro 14:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Not to worry. Moondyne 15:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep i understand - serendipity and patience always helps - for finding some refs and cites for the more amazing (in their own way) articles :) SatuSuro 15:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well that says something for my memory (September, where was that?) - just noticed I did have a copy in my hand - from that ref in gina's art :( SatuSuro 15:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

The plot muddies - she gets the range but still tries for the mountain - hmmm - im off to collect a kid from a party - cheers for the mo SatuSuro 15:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

		Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award
		Constantly inspired by the consistent high quality of your contribs - the rottnest shipwreck art knocks the socks every time i stumble on it - SatuSuro 01:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Too kind. You made my Sunday. Moondyne 01:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Nah, cripes if articles were done to that standard and quality visually - the place would be a much better one to work in, mind you the shipwrecks of wa begs for the same treatment SatuSuro 01:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, all i do is lift henrietta's skirts :0 - i do hope huey's been kind and kept you in AC territory or swimming pool vicinity today SatuSuro 09:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Btw thanks for the timor gap cleanup - that is appreciated it was a bit strange having them parallel for such a long time - you might want to have a look at the diamantina trench and diamantina deep parallel arts - they problably need the same treatment even though I tried to keep em separate entities SatuSuro 09:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Diamantina_Deep&action=history is one of my favourite samples of pointless or perhaps hopeful photo requests that I have ever seen SatuSuro 09:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Haha. No worries. There's two related but quite separate Timor treaties. I don't feel strongly about merging Timor Sea any more. I think separate Diamantina articles is fine. Moondyne 09:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

OK thanks for the oversight SatuSuro 09:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Another merge issue - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninetyeast_Ridge and the one you have just edited :( SatuSuro 09:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep. I was just thinking that there may be one or two too many articles there and some rationalisation may make it a bit easier to understand. But I know nothing about this topic and will need to do some reading before jumping in I think. Moondyne 09:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

OK ill do it its pretty straight forward in the end its the same thing and people havent bothered to check - cheers SatuSuro 09:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Henrietta has let me down - no easy find refs for the mma services to rotto in the dc3 or dc6b in the late 60's :( SatuSuro 15:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

MMA? Really. I can't recall that. Moondyne 15:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC) I'm off. Moondyne 15:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Post woods and pre whatever came next MMA used to have a regular service to rottnest either late 60's or early 70's - almost sure there dc6b's in service and later there were fokkers on the route - my job in the tearooms in xxxx allowed me to have enough money to pay for trips back to the mainland SatuSuro 01:20, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

At last

I'd never thought an admin would Get around to it SatuSuro 09:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hunter Poon

Great to see you got an image of him, which was top of my list for images. --Roisterer (talk) 10:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not much but is nice to be one up on CI for a change. Moondyne 12:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for William Ernest Cooke

On 24 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Ernest Cooke, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Allen3 ^talk 10:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed this on the front page, good to see him get a well done article. cygnis insignis 14:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Unsure

How to crop bloody henriettas inordinately long urls

In October 1929 Major de Havilland flew solo in the 2450 mile Sydney to Perth East-West Air Race. He won the £300 prize awarded to the airman making fastest flying time over the whole course. 'His machine is a specially streamlined type, fitted with a standard Gipsy engine, with high compression cylinder heads. The ignition is advanced to 45 deg., which enables the engine to revolve at the enormous speed of 2800 times a minute, which is about twice the normal number of revolutions.' Information from The Age, 7 October 1929 goes with: -

http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search~S1?/Xeast+west+air+race&searchscope=1&SORT=DZ/Xeast+west+air+race&searchscope=1&SORT=DZ&extended=0&SUBKEY=east%20west%20air%20race/1%2C3%2C3%2CB/frameset&FF=Xeast+west+air+race&searchscope=1&SORT=DZ&2%2C2%2C.

and then there is

http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search~S1?/Xcentenary+air+race&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D/Xcentenary+air+race&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D&SUBKEY=centenary%20air%20race/1%2C4%2C4%2CB/frameset&FF=Xcentenary+air+race&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D&3%2C3%2C

which has the intiguing text of

Published in the 'Truth' newspaper 13 October 1929 p. 11 with caption: New West Subiaco aerodrome opened. Opened by Mr W. Richardson M.L.A. for Subiaco. It is the future home of the "Klemm" aeroplane, controlled by Mr H.C. Ittershagen. During the afternoon Mrs Ittershagen presented suitable souvenirs to the visiting airmen in the East-West Air Race who were not prize winners. "Truth's" photo shows Mr W.H. Penny receiving his souvenir gift. The East-West Air Race was widely known in Western Australia as the Centenary Air Race because it was held as part of Western Australia's Centenary celebrations.

hmmm SatuSuro 12:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

then if we pursue the obvious we get: -

VH-ULU Klemm L25-1 (construction number 131). This little two seater was imported in 1929 and registered on 22 August 1929 to Hermann Christian Ittershagen of West Subiaco, WA, who was the German Consul General for WA. He was also the local distributor for Lanz tractors, and told local newspapers at the time that he would train eight of his tractor experts to fly the Klemm in order to provide service to his far flung farmer customers throughout West Australia. There was a delay in getting the aircraft flying because the Civil Aeronautics Board did not recognise its German Certificate of Airworthiness. In the event it was assembled at his private airfield at West Subiaco and test flown on 18 August 1929 by his company pilot Harry "Cannonball" Baker. Baker flew VH-ULU to Sydney for the October 1929 East-West Air Race from Sydney to Perth and on arrival back in Perth reported no mechanical failures of any kind. In January 1930 Ittershagen had floats fitted to VH-ULU, and he formed a new company, Aerial Commerce Co, whose letterhead boasted a "Klemm Seaplane Station, Nedlands" on the Swan River near Perth city. After fitting of the floats, this aircraft was the first to fly to Rottnest Island, with pilot Harry Baker landing in the sea at Thomson Bay in January 1930, prior to the Rottnest Island Airstrip being opened in November 1930. The floats were actually removed several months later, and it was used for joyriding at Perth and Rottnest Island. Damaged when wingtip hit spectators at West Subiaco WA 25.06.1932, cancelled from register 16.1.33. Aircraft was retired to Ittershagen's hangar at West Subiaco airfield and remained there with Klemm VH-UNG and Spartan VH-UMQ until 1940. That year VH-ULU was purchased by a local, and DCA investigations in Oct 1941 revealed that he had flown over 200 hours of local flying from the West Subiaco aerodrome with no pilot's licence and confessing complete ignorance of all aviation regulations. Not only that, but for fuel, he and his friends had stockpiled 120 gallons of car fuel in contravention of the wartime fuel rationing regulations! The ultimate fate of the little Klemm is unclear, but a wheel identified as being from VH-ULU turned up in a Perth tip in 1958 (Information supplied by D. Eyre, June 2008)

from: - http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search~S1?/Xklemm&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D/Xklemm&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D&SUBKEY=klemm/1%2C40%2C40%2CB/frameset&FF=Xklemm&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D&4%2C4%2C

which of course might or might not interest you - please feel free to remove all this if it is of no interest or is something you already knew - cheers SatuSuro 12:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

i think if you follow your nose there you have at least another 2 dyks :) SatuSuro 12:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

As you say, hmmm. Interesting that that West Subiaco airfield as discussed some time ago at WT:WA crops up again. Moondyne 15:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

very very bored

with seeing convoluted links to meaningless sections or nothing at all - have created Western Australia Centenary - please help expand the beast - thank you SatuSuro 09:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC) There are heaps of links into articles to do where it is mentioned directly and indirectly as well SatuSuro 09:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Great idea, great start, I gave it a tidy. Not sure about the relevance of the 2029 photo, so remove or keep as you see fit. Moondyne 00:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Excellent placement and relevant - red bull air race operators could drool over it :) SatuSuro 01:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You best get started on the 175th article. Moondyne 04:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Spooky, I was just complaining to NTWA that I couldn't find [4], and the current location turns up here. Ta. cygnis insignis 04:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

175 was a silent flop from where i watch these sort of things - hardly worth a mention cf to 79 and 29 SatuSuro 05:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Rottnest Island Airport

On 27 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rottnest Island Airport, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the good work! ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 04:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

He's already there - ok more please :) SatuSuro 04:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Its a pathetic excuse for an article. I don't know what I was thinking. Moondyne 05:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Now now not too humble - accept compliments where they are due SatuSuro 12:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Happy 1st Edit Day!

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LittleMountain5 00:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Jill Perryman

Re the message you left for Gonzo fan2007: Gonzo fan2007 is taking a wikibreak for awhile, but I'm sure that the restore would be fine with him. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Moondyne 09:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Thanks for defending my talkpage from the 4chan morons, it hasnt gone unnoticed. The reason I dont want my talk page protected is because of moral principals. Looks like they got bored.....for now. Thanks again !   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 10:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

piccie help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Shark_Bay.gif would it be possible to make another again? leaving out shark bay the name and putting in peron peninsula instead? I have about 2 or 3 possible uses for a new version with shark bay words either off or further north and the peron peninsula identified if poss :) please? it would be really brill if i could get dore and bernier islands id'ed as well SatuSuro 12:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Its a piece of crap that gif file. I'll see what can be done. Moondyne 12:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe a new one completely then? I have about half a dozen various map ideas if you want em :) SatuSuro 12:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

have yu ever heard of the gudrun wreck off the shark bay cape peron at all does it ring any bells? SatuSuro 12:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope. Is it in the wrecks database? Moondyne 12:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

"...half a dozen various map ideas..." Keep them to yourself. I have just as many but no time (or inclination) to act on them.  ;) Moondyne 12:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I can do that - heheh - I can fully understand and relate to that - no probs - i must teach myself the intricacies of map making when i am back from the interstate travel and etc next month etc SatuSuro 12:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont know why but for me it is one of the funnier wreck stories http://www.sharkbay.wa.gov.au/documents/gudrun.html heheh SatuSuro 12:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

But hell the bloody urls make me dizzy - are they valid for duration - will they wont they disintegrate or deprecate themselves or anything over time? SatuSuro 12:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont particularly want to upload them (viz my getting lost in the details of arguments re the way liswa claims them) - and that one is already linked in the part of the art about perth oval SatuSuro 12:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow the de haviland piccie looks brilliant - maybe i can be convinced after all SatuSuro 23:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Mr gng and self have bin fiddling - yr edits or comments would be most welcome - also is there a hook for you know wot in it? SatuSuro 00:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Claremont showgrounds

smelt like an art written by an big day out enthuser with little or no understanding of the place in time. not sure i wanna go the full hog and pull out a separate motorsport art on the speedway but the stuff is out there - spectators killed, cyclists killed, cars with special design to cope with the track and all the rest - not sure yet - cheers SatuSuro 13:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

i gotta go fetch a child so about to be off for the night - oversight at my most recent edit would be appreciated - if i have overstepped please feel free to modify or whatever, ta SatuSuro 13:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Centenary of Western Australia

Posted here in error. DYK notice moved to creator's page. Moondyne 09:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I just hand out the credits based on the list of names on the next update page, somebody obviously got it wrong there. These things happen occasionally, thanks for fixing it up :) Gatoclass (talk) 09:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, although I've been been busy with other things lately.

Having checked the history pages, seems you should have got one of these:

On 2 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Centenary of Western Australia, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congrats :) --Gatoclass (talk) 09:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Wacalogo.jpg

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 Fixed Moondyne 13:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

UBank

Hi Moondyne. You may want to have a read of this article that Matilda found, considering that Fbooth (talk · contribs) created the Ubank article. Your thoughts? -- Mattinbgn\^talk 22:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, isn't that article above interesting? Moodyne, no hard feelings, this kind of misunderstanding by newbies happens all the time.--Boffob (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

notability

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_SMPN1NOM i reckon is about as notable as a pimple on my bum compared to the number of stars in the known universe - I would have thought it needed a speedy not a prod - watcha reckon? SatuSuro 04:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably, but under what criteria at WP:CSD would you delete it? –Moondyne 05:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Very good point to make and i note on a recent rfa there are the technocrats who spin off the numbers and criteria like a buzz saw in a wood turners bad dream -

Notability. Articles that seem to have obviously non-notable subjects are only eligible for speedy deletion if the article does not assert the importance or significance of its subject - there is no attempt to assert the importance - it is a mix of half english half indonesian list which is the curse of the Indonesian project - lists with red links.

But this does not answer your question i would say A7 - if java has a population of between 80 - 130 million people - one small school in east java with a few students is less then a pimple, SatuSuro 07:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

A7 is as close as you'll get, though it specifically says school articles are exempt from this provision. Notability, quality and length are explicit non-criteria. Note the difference between notability and the assertion of notability. But after all is said and done, it'll never fly. Gone. –Moondyne 09:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow thanks for that maybe there is a wild hope for admin training in 09 after all :( - considering the number of issues arising from one weeks worth of catches at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult - there are more prod, speedy and warning messages that are required from watching that than can fit into a good bottle. SatuSuro 09:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Marwick

Regarding Brooktown vs Brookton, it's probably just a typo on Psephos. I've fixed it. Frickeg (talk) 02:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bankwest Tower

If only the walls had ears... it's quite funny, really, I write in the article about the link to Brian Burke (resisting the urge to insert "controversial" before "Premier") and then they immediately announce on the TV News that he'd been arrested on corruption charges. :) - Mark 00:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

bios

Hoy! I had a bit of a poke around for an online version of History of West Australia, but only found reference to a CD version. Do you own the source, and do you have a scanner? I would be keen to do some of the bios, or just have a read of a few. cygnis insignis 10:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I've been meaning to say, if you could bring yourself to part with it for a time, I would be happy to collect it, scan it, and return it to you within a reasonable time frame. And upload the scans of course. I don't have a book scanner, mind you, so you would have to be willing to accept the usual wear and tear on the spine that would result from flatbed scanning it. Hesperian 10:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

book scanners are squillions compared to flat beds the last time i looked. to think i had a copy of the cyclopedia in my possesion for about 3 months :( SatuSuro 10:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Refer s:History of West Australia which is (was?) going to be a long-term project. I only have a little flatbed scanner and have no problem doing the odd page here and there, but can't be bothered doing more than that. The wear and tear of scanning is not a big issue for me—the long-term benefit I'm sure would outweigh that. So, if H. is willing to have a crack at at it I'm more than happy to hand it over for a while. But what happened to the pledge? –Moondyne 10:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh shit, the pledge. For now, let's pretend everything on that list will be done by meetup (which might be a good time it to temporarily change hands). Once that fails to come to pass, I'll move on to pretending it is is okay for me to scan, djvu, upload and index, so long as I don't key out any pages. :-) Hesperian 11:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Meetup sounds good. –Moondyne 13:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

To Cygnis: In the meantime is there anything specific needed? Riley perhaps? –Moondyne 10:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Good guess ;-) He is quite a character. cygnis insignis 11:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It may be reasonable to suppose that it will be available online, if the CD exists. Save your book. cygnis insignis 11:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Too late. See p38, p39, p40, p41, p42 and p43. Riley is on p.40-42. Hesperian, can you setup the Wikisource Index: and Page: pages as required, please. –Moondyne 13:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

If you have time and/or interest

Hi Moondyne, as the result of a gentle rollback I performed on the article Galah, Victoria a friendly discussion has ensued here. Whilst it may not ultimately be the best location for such a communication to fully develop, for now, if you have the time and/or interest, can you provide your thoughts also? With thanks. --VS ^talk 09:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which closed as successful a few hours ago. There's a million foolish newbie admin mistakes to make, but with role models like the Australian Admin Collective I can't go that far wrong. So thanks again and if you don't mind I might stop by with questions along the way. Euryalus (talk) 10:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

VIP

Have a very close trawl here http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/X?SEARCH=claremont+speedway&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D - should be inspiring - might have a few minutes before i go to check some stuff as well - relative of mine went to see it in 1929 (!) SatuSuro 04:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC) gmail reply to that SatuSuro 08:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Treaty on Certain Maritime Arrangements in the Timor Sea

Hi. Noticed the copyright note after the deletion of the treaty content. The individual articles were NOT a wholesale copy of the treaty, but a summarised and simplified version. Some of them include commentaries on controversies over the articles, with the relevant references. Surely they do not infringe the Commonwealth's copyright on the treaty text. Slleong (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your reply and explanation. I understand your concerns about misleading summaries. My approach to pages on treaties is that they should tell the reader a little more than just a brief one paragraph statement on what the treaty is about. I also feel that referring the reader to the original text of a treaty may not be ideal as ploughing through a treaty can be pretty tricky, which is why I believe Wikipedia articles should address and discuss the issues that a particular treaty covers. To address your concern of people mistaking the summary for the text proper, maybe it would be better for the article to be organised according the issues covered by the treaty, instead according to the article numbers. The summary description would then have footnotes with the relevant article number. As for discussions on particular articles bordering on POV, I have been as careful as possible to include all sides. Each argument has a footnote which refers to the source of a particular POV, usually legal articles, parliamentary submissions and NGO publications. I believe nuances should be written and explained to the reader, and this is the best manner in which to handle them ie. with proper references to sources and authorities. I am basing this on the structure my law school lecturers forced us to follow for our essays (I am no longer practicing, however). Anyway, it is the beauty of Wikipedia that any mistake/inaccuracy made in an article is quickly corrected by the community at large. I have redone the CMATS article in this manner. How do you feel about it? Slleong (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Will try not be too legalistic with my articles. Slleong (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

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Deleted (was made redundant by another upload). –Moondyne 13:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Christ Church Grammar School

Dear Moondyne,

I find what you wrote quite insulting. I will have you know that I have made tons of edits to Wikipedia and here is my back up for what I wrote (if people are blocked from making correct edits, then I am appaled):

a) See the talk page for proof that the number of hours of sport is 12

b) Sports for 12 hours a week is compulsory

I did not add the Wil Wheaton bit initially but such a person really does exist. Since my edits are not considered constructive, I can cease from editing that page provided that all of this is forgotten. However, I am completely serious in what I wrote about 12 hours of sport being compulsory. Sorry if what I wrote about the school focusing on very few areas of study is inaccurate. But please add that 12 hours of sport/week is compulsory.

Topology Expert (talk) 03:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I am aware that you are an established editor and am therefore doubly disappointed that you do not seem to understand or are prepared to comply with the several policies which have been pointed out to you over the last few days, nor have you taken heed of the several warnings regarding edit warring. I refer to Original research and neutral point of view for a start. –Moondyne 04:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I apologize for any incorrect claims that I have made and I won't repeat this in future. When I find some proper citations, can I add back what I wrote?

Topology Expert (talk) 04:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The claims you refer to are trivial and innapropriate for encyclopaedia content, in my view. That is quite apart from the fact that they appear to be unverified and your own interpretation of school policies. Rather than starting another edit war and risking a speedy block, I suggest that you firstly post what you propose on the article talk page for input from others. –Moondyne 04:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Anyhow, you have followed the wrong guidelines for dealing with 'disruptive editors'. See this and note that I have accepted my fault.

Topology Expert (talk) 04:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Mathematics

Do you know any mathematics? I presume not. Just because I had an argument with something non-mathematical does not mean that you have to trace my edits and revert. Furthermore, you would not understand the difference between the two images in question. If you are a mathematician, I apologize for what I have just written but otherwise, I will not.

Topology Expert (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

My concern is that you changed an established stub template without discussion, and when another user reverted this you reverted with a demand the he discuss his change. Come on, that is not how it works. Further, apparently you waged an identical battle at Template:Geometry-stub Template:Algebra-stub before finally accepting consensus. This smacks of WP:POINT. And lastly, drop the ad-hominem attacks OK? –Moondyne 11:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see this. Notice how long the discussion went just to change one stub template. I don't want to revert your edit in the fear of edit warring but the algebra stub template was also there for a long time and was recently changed.

By the way, I expect you don't watch that page so how do you know that I changed it? Please don't trace my edits and revert them unless they clearly violate Wikipedia rules. Anyway, there a mathematics admins who do that (if at all it is necessary).

I am simaltaneously initiating a discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject mathematics regarding your reverts so please don't block me for reverting your edit (which I will do so know). It is up to Wikipedians there to decide.

Topology Expert (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Topology Expert (talk) 11:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see the link provided; I already discussed this on the talk page so you have no right to accuse me of not doing so.

Topology Expert (talk) 11:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I have every right. That discussion was about the algebra template; here we are discussing the geometry template. –Moondyne 12:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I read that discussion a few days ago an caught up on it again this afternoon. You assume an awful lot don't you? –Moondyne 11:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ordinarily I'd revert the article back to the original version, but as you've started a discussion at WT:WPM I'll stand off. BTW, which mathematics stub template do you intend to improve next? –Moondyne 12:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

None. I am alergic to them.

Topology Expert (talk) 02:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Stub templates

I will post something about this on the administrators noticeboard (and Wikiquette alerts) if you continue spamming my talk page. If you really strongly are against me, then I suggest we contact User:CBM (a mathematics administrator) for his opinion. In fact I will contact him. However, until them, spamming my talk page will make me angry and won't resolve the issue (I am disappointed that an admin can know so little about these policies).

Before you block me, consider the following:

a) Will it help, threatening to block me three times?

b) Blocking me will be disruptive because I make 20 contributions (usually) per day.

However, if you still feel the same way, I will report you to Wikiquette alerts but first I will contact User:CBM.

Topology Expert (talk) 07:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I have contacted User:CBM as promised. I won't post any accusations on the admin noticeboard because I am really tired of disputes (and I really can't edit Wikipedia next week because I will be on a plane). So please don't threaten to block me, stop spamming my talk page and stop tracing down my edits. I don't mean this is a rude way but I think that there are other people who can do this job anyway. Since you are an expert on Western Australia, may I suggest that you use your knowledge wisely and edit those pages?

Topology Expert (talk) 08:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you please respond to this:

Anyhow, you have followed the wrong guidelines for dealing with 'disruptive editors'. See this and note that I have accepted my fault.

Topology Expert (talk) 08:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Did anyone reject that image (explicitly in words)? I presume not. However, let User:CBM decide and when I get the chance, I will consider filing a complaint against you at the admin noticeboard (threatening to block 'good users' is against the rules and you still have not responded to the above comment. Please do so.)

Topology Expert (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

A-G

Dredging up my ancient memories of the situation... IIRC, it boils down to a lack of data: the Parliamentary Handbook lists the A-Gs up to 1890, but not subsequently.

I have a vague idea that there was a legitimate reason for the Handbook to do so: the A-G was an "official" executive appointment before 1890, but after 1890 it was just another portfolio. I'm not sure what I mean by "official" here; maybe it was originally written into the constitution that someone had to be appointed A-G, and the A-G had to be a member of the executive.

I'll have a look at the Handbook tonight.

Hesperian 03:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I see OIC's just dumped his data on the talk page; ask and ye shall receive! Hesperian 03:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Singaporean Rhodes scholars

Hi! I notice you've made Category:Singaporean Rhodes scholars a subcategory of three other categories. I think Category:Rhodes scholars and Category:Singaporean people are obvious choices, but I don't agree with Category:Singaporean academics for several reasons.
First, very few Rhodes Scholars have gone on to be academics (c.f. Notable Rhodes Scholars).
Second, neither of the two current members of the category are academics: one is a headmaster, the other is a student.
Unless you have some reason not to do so, I suggest this category be removed.
Your thoughts? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

St Georges Cathedral

Dear Moondyne ...

Thanks for editing out the defamatory stuff put in by the last editor. I am keeping an eye on this site too, as are various bots, and will make sure that any such future edits are removed.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Canonprecentor (talk • contribs)

Kimberly

I played around with the archive.org idea, but it sucked; I think I'll stick with manual processing.

I've scanned the first 19 pages (i.e. cover, preamble, contents and first chapter), although I'll need to replace the front cover and plates with colour scans as the opportunity arises. More importantly I've scripted the processing so that I can generate a DjVu file with ease. Watch it grow at Image:History of West Australia.djvu and s:Index:History of West Australia.djvu!

Hesperian 02:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks –Moondyne 11:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Admin noticeboard

I would just like to inform you to have a look at the admin noticeboard since I have recently reported you there.

Topology Expert (talk) 12:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't you sleep (literally)?

Topology Expert (talk) 14:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to bed now. Gute Nacht. –Moondyne 14:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Mysterious discussion

I have just read all of the discussion at Wikipedia:AN#User:_Moondyne_and_User:_Sarah. I never heard of this until it was closed. The discussion leaves me in the dark as to why he was blocked. Apparently I would have to follow a large number of links to find out. Is it unreasonable to expect that such discussions would be clear and explicit about the reason for blocking? I followed ONE of the links and found an objection to his edit to the algebra-stub template. The issue of his edits to that template was discussed at very great length in the appropriate forum and I seem to recall that he ultimately went with the consensus, although I didn't follow the discussion in great detail.

I've noticed that "Topology expert" tends to be lax about various issues of grammar, style, and conformance to Wikipedia style conventions, but that's not a reason to block anyone. He is obviously a competent professional in his field who has made worthwhile contributions here.

If the discussion linked to above is not the appropriate place for people like me to find out why a user was blocked, then what is? I think things like this should be done openly, not behind closed doors. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Topology Expert was blocked by User:Redvers (not Moondyne or Sarah) for the reason stated here. You might disagree with it (I notice you've unblocked him), but it doesn't seem to be a 'behind closed doors" thing. Euryalus (talk) 23:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Commented at User talk:Redvers#Mysterious discussion. –Moondyne 01:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

A handy script

importScript('User:Splarka/sysopdectector.js');

–Moondyne 01:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Canning Dam

Cheers, i have wanted to get into editing for a while but couldnt find an article to start up, thanks for the pic btw big help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdavies 965 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries, your doing really well, esp. if this is your first article expansion. Congrats.

By the way, convention here is to post messages at the bottom of the page, not the top. Sing out if you need help anytime. –Moondyne 13:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Unblocking

Thanks, man. Extremely sexy (talk) 00:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

200 GA drive for WP:AUS

Hi Moondyne. Grahamec gave me your name as a recent producer of a Australian GA. Well, we're within striking distance of 200 GAs at the moment and we decided to have a go at getting to 200 by the end of the year or Australia Day, same as the 100 drive last year. Hope to see you there! YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I suspect the reviewer will ask you about the couple of paras with no cite though. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 00:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks back at ya. –Moondyne 12:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Concerned

Dear Moondyne, I'm concerned about this...[5]. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Michellecrisp (talk) 03:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Another issue

I have some BLP issues with this. Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#2008_jail_break_in_Clovis.2C_New_Mexico.Interested in what you think. thanks. Michellecrisp (talk) 03:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Big dingo

Nice photo of the Dingo Flour sign! Davidcohen (talk) 01:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia newsletter,December 2008

WikiProject Australia newsletter Issue 2, Volume 1 — December 16, 2008

Welcome! WikiProject Australia is a WikiProject, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Australia and Australia-related topics. This newsletter exists simply to notify Australian Wikipedians of ongoing events within the project and relating to Australia on Wikipedia. 200 GA Drive Last year, an informal pact/commitment was made late in the year to aim for 100 good articles by the end of the year. As a result, a net increase of 24 GAs was achieved in December 2007 and the GA count hit triple figures, ending the year on 106 GAs. This year seasonally adjusted, the GA production has been slower than in last during the May-November periods (see graphs below). At the start of the month, our WikiProject had 178 good articles. Another GA Drive has been organised, with the hope of reaching the double century by the end of the year or Australia Day 2009 at the least. As of 16 December, there are 180 GAs and 15 currently nominated, primarily in response to the GA appeal. Everyone's help is requested to make the drive a success. 2008 Summer Olympics photo drive Following the 2008 Summer Olympics, some Australian Wikipedians attended the various welcome home parades for the athletes, with one objective being to help create free images of the athletes. Previously, less than ten had photos. However, there are now over 100 athletes that do have photos, but unfortunately in some cases, they have not yet been identified. Help is requested for this purpose at the link above. Wikimedia Australia After much hard work in slogging through paperwork and government regulations, Wikimedia Australia was incorporated on 6 August, and membership was opened on 12 November. Its stated purpose is to be "an independent, not-for-profit organisation, whose primary aim is to promote equality of opportunity to access and participate in the collaborative creation of Free Cultural Works, especially educational works, and works about Australia, its culture, natural environment, and Australian news and media". It will be developing a joint publication with Creative Commons Australia, and members are in the process of spreading the Wikipedia message, with Wikipedia being introduced into the curriculum in some courses in Australia next year. The first AGM is planned for 11 January 2009. Casliber Well known Australian Wikipedian and polyglot FA writer Casliber, known for his writings on Australian wildlife among other things, has placed first in this year's arbitration election and appears certain to be appointed. Quality watch Mattinbgn is rather camera shy, so here is Harry Trott. 2008 saw a major feat for WikiProject Australia: 100 articles were promoted to featured article status. This is huge not only for the project's individual members and those who helped achieved such an impressive statistic, but for all of Wikipedia. Everyone involved has given readers from all around the world a chance to learn about Australia and relevant topics online from the best of sources. Congratulations to Mattinbgn, who wrote the 100th FA, Harry Trott. Also of note was the promotion of national icon Sir Donald Bradman, which then appeared as the main page FA on his 100th birthday. WikiProject Australia's maiden featured topics arrived early in the year, with Dream Days at the Hotel Existence and Powderfinger albums, both about the band Powderfinger. New South Wales and Music of Australia became featured portals. A further 13 featured lists have been produced. Recent events January-February: The first two Australian featured topics promoted. 25 Jun: One hundred Australia-related articles have been promoted to featured article status. 6 Aug: m:Wikimedia Australia is incorporated. 27 Aug: Featured article on Don Bradman appears on the front page on his 100th birthday. 8 Dec: Drive for 200 Australian good articles begin. Details. Main page · Talk · Notice board · Portal · Articles · Current collaboration · Complete to-do · Article quality (FA·GA) · Subprojects · Miscellanous · Newsletter discussion This month's newsletter was written by YellowMonkey and published by TinucherianBot. If you wish to stop receiving it, receive it in a different format, or submit items for consideration next month, see our co-ordination page. Issue 2, Volume 2, December 2008. See newsletter archive for previous issues, or view this issue directly. Newly-promoted content (since 1 September) Good articles Paul McDermott (comedian) Blair Anderson Wark Hughie Edwards South African War Memorial (South Australia) Cyclone Graham Emilie de Ravin Percy Herbert Cherry Frog cake Joseph Maxwell Clarence Smith Jeffries Not Quite Hollywood Stanley Goble Ernest Albert Corey Jeff White George Julian Howell Aeroplane Jelly Kew Asylum George Ingram Bruce Kingsbury HM Bark Endeavour Featured articles SS Mauna Loa Richard Williams Faith Leech Sandra Morgan Kevin O'Halloran Bob Windle Ian O'Brien Bill Brown Harry Murray Morotai Mutiny Guadalcanal Campaign Recent collaborations Isaac Isaacs Melbourne Cup Griffith, New South Wales Quentin Bryce HM Bark Endeavour Howard Government End of November 2008 statistics Here are some statistics for WikiProject Australia in terms of 2008's good article and featured article promotions. Summing it up: 116 featured articles, and 178 good articles. So far this year, a net 36 FAs and 72 GAs have been added. The areas of FA growth were cricket (+12), military history (+7), swimming (+5), Powderfinger (+4), birds (+4), Silverchair (+2), Holden (+1), Wiggles (+1). These areas have been traditional strengths of the project, and this year, Abraham, B.S. has started another strong tradition, with a series of articles on Australian Victoria Cross awardees (1FA, 8GA). It would be great to see a wider range of Australian topics represented at FA in future. Two FAs were sent to Featured article review, but Bilby was instrumental in renovating and saving both Shrine of Remembrance and Waterfall Gully, South Australia. Australia-related featured article production Australia-related good article production

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