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TheWanderingTraders (talk) 07:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:2023–24 PHF season standings

Template:2023–24 PHF season standings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Counter to the PWHL MOS:Overlink

First off, thank you, genuinely for all of your contributions to the project so far. And, I also understand the potential issues with overlinking and the density of links in a table such as the Transactions tables on the PWHL 2023 season page. My counter is that the applies more to paragraphs and bodies of text. For a table, from my (admittedly narrowly-framed) experience, most of the time, all of the links are filled and overlinking is overlooked. The point of the MOS:Overlink is so that a reader does not become overwhelmed with links to the point that they cannot find the relevant information they want; that is to say, we want relevant information to be accessible and identifiable quickly. In a sorted table with headers, there may be lots of links, but they are exactly where the reader would expect them to be, and to go back up the table to find the first instance of the link being provided can be tedious and troublesome. (Eg. You're looking at entry 53 on the table, and want a quick link to the team the played signed from, but that team and link were first (and only) listed at #17, the user has to then go up and try and find it again).For further examples of what I may call "constructive overlinking" may be MLB drafts and the existing NHL transactions pages. Just my thoughts! Thanks!! –uncleben85 (talk) 23:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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undefined reference in PWHL articles

Hey there! I see you've created a handful of articles about PWHL teams. Each of the articles uses a reference named "stats", which is undefined and causes the articles to be listed in Category:Pages with broken reference names, along with other articles that have referencing issues. Do you have a definition for this reference that supports the content in each of the articles? -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I think the direct answer is "not yet." I am unable to find any kind of stats on the new league's website. I would imagine that this is something which will be created in the next couple of weeks, after the first game is played on January 1st. If this means that we should remove the undefined refs until they're actually created, that's fine... --MikeVitale 19:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, upon closer inspection, looks like these areticles are all just empty boiler plate. I think they should be moved to draft space until they're viable. -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The articles are not "all just empty boiler plate." They're articles for a new hockey league which starts its first regular season two weeks from today. It's obvious that there aren't any regular season stats yet because the regular season hasn't started. Beyond that, what makes you believe that they're boilerplate? Because I updated all of them to have each team's individual set of games as well as full roster. --MikeVitale 18:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, substantiatively boilerplate, at any rate. The stats and scoring grids are empty, since the league won't even start for three weeks. The "Schedule and Results", "Awards and Honors", "Transactions", and "Player statistics" sections are all completely boilerplate with no content. The "Offseason" section actually says "Placeholder". There's no reason for this material to be present per WP:CRYSTALBALL. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to fill in the "placeholder" sections. I have a template page that I used to create an article for each of the teams for the upcoming season. It obviously (to me, anyway) doesn't make sense to have much other than a "Placeholder" in such a page. The stats sections will become relevant in less than 2 weeks at this point. I don't WP:OWN those articles, so I invite you to be WP:BOLD and help improve the articles with me. --MikeVitale 13:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd offer to comment away the boilerplate, but it's already loaded with comments and HTML comments acn't be nested. So it's going to be easier to just removed the empty sections. Per WP:COMMENT, comments really shouldn't be used to enable or disable text, anyway. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the boilerplate text and the referencing error from the Boston team's article. A couple of mostly-empty tables remain, but now the artilce is out of Category:Pages with broken reference names. -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for removing a bunch of stuff from the articles that will be relevant in less than a week for every team. *eyeroll*

Look, I get that what you did is technically correct -- skaters don't have stats yet, there are no records yet, etc. But the first game for the new league is literally less than 3 days away at this point. And every team will have played their first game by January 3rd. It's December 29th right now. I (or someone else) will just resurrect all that text in a week's time. --MikeVitale 00:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)